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Well every born again Christian in their heart wants to live as God desires them to, for that is where his laws have been placed that he desires them to follow.
But Pauls message is impossible for the little grey cells to fathom. You have to know you cannot be condemned by failing to observe the law in order for sin not to be your master. It seems, from what you write you fail to comprehend that
But Pauls message is impossible for the little grey cells to fathom. You have to know you cannot be condemned by failing to observe the law in order for sin not to be your master. It seems, from what you write you fail to comprehend that
The seventh day will always follow the sixth day....... People always believed in going to church on the sabbath but somewhere along the line, a pope, it was changed from the seventh day to the first day......to say this makes sense would be to say the flesh over rules God..not so.
As for those commandments written on the heart, all of themetnion of them refer to them no longer being on stone, not omitting a one.
You seem to be fabricating the Word of God to suite you...in other words over ruling God.....not so my frient, not so.
If you want to celebrat the sabbath on Sunday, do without faulting others. I will not fault you, but do not tell folks black is white because you do not like it...that is just wrong.
As for those commandments written on the heart, all of themetnion of them refer to them no longer being on stone, not omitting a one.
You seem to be fabricating the Word of God to suite you...in other words over ruling God.....not so my frient, not so.
If you want to celebrat the sabbath on Sunday, do without faulting others. I will not fault you, but do not tell folks black is white because you do not like it...that is just wrong.
From earliest times the church worshipped on the first day of the week (Acts 20.7) not the seventh
Acts 20.7 ? There was no pope then. The pope is irrelevant,
Those were the commandments specifically given to Israel. Jesus NEVER cited the Sabbath in His commandments,
You simply do not DISCERN the word of God.
Yes as God said, we will.
Acts 20.7 ? There was no pope then. The pope is irrelevant,
Those were the commandments specifically given to Israel. Jesus NEVER cited the Sabbath in His commandments,
You simply do not DISCERN the word of God.
Yes as God said, we will.
Let me see, when the creation week occurred the days were, day one, day two, day three, day four day five day six and day seven.
Shabbat means seven when it was used in the recounting of the first week, the week of creation.
It did not mean reast until it began to be applied to the name after the law of resting on the shabbat.
No onehere can make it the first day,.
No one here can say it means only to rest.
No one here even knos some of this b ecause they never cared.
God has not changed the order of creation, and I believe because with God a thousand years are as a day when it has past. During the Seventh Thousand years, according to the Hebrew Calendar, I will be resting with the King ruling on earth.
For all of you who have changed it to the first day of the week, it would be pitiful if your thousand years of peace were already past.
Mine is yet to come and it coincides with its symbol in this age, the Sabbath.
Now please, stop trying to convince those who know and believe Jesus that their years of peace have passed, they have not, but maybe yours have. That would be a pity.
Praise God it is raining here.........I pray all will pray it breaks the drought in a serious manner, amen.
Shabbat means seven when it was used in the recounting of the first week, the week of creation.
It did not mean reast until it began to be applied to the name after the law of resting on the shabbat.
No onehere can make it the first day,.
No one here can say it means only to rest.
No one here even knos some of this b ecause they never cared.
God has not changed the order of creation, and I believe because with God a thousand years are as a day when it has past. During the Seventh Thousand years, according to the Hebrew Calendar, I will be resting with the King ruling on earth.
For all of you who have changed it to the first day of the week, it would be pitiful if your thousand years of peace were already past.
Mine is yet to come and it coincides with its symbol in this age, the Sabbath.
Now please, stop trying to convince those who know and believe Jesus that their years of peace have passed, they have not, but maybe yours have. That would be a pity.
Praise God it is raining here.........I pray all will pray it breaks the drought in a serious manner, amen.
PS......you folks who argue with the wind should realize it would be good for you to take your arguments to God that you may be proven right......... I have always taken my questions to Him. He did not tell me He had changed the order of creation, nor did He tell me we have resgt while yet trapped in this age.......you all go ahead and read, and show what you have accomplished for the souls of men in christ.......
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus, and for the word of God, and such as worshipped not the beast, neither his image, and received not the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand; and they lived, and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Would you change the order of this occurrence? For myself, I will remain with the order given all that is by God, not what a mob comes along to dictate in His stead......this should not be.....speaking for God without the appointment to do so.
Would you change the order of this occurrence? For myself, I will remain with the order given all that is by God, not what a mob comes along to dictate in His stead......this should not be.....speaking for God without the appointment to do so.
Shabbat comes from שנ̇ט which came fro שנהץ. Now I have only read through the Old and New Testaments one time in Hebrew, and my typing in Hebrew is a little rusty, so I will transliterate for you, the expert in Hebrew.
Shabbat comes from Sheva or seventh. It came to mean rest long after its first mention.
There are many shabbats, but there is only one Seventh Day.........
now since your Hebrew is so good, in moderrn Hebe, Achshav ma atah rotze medaber .'ani?
Shabbat comes from Sheva or seventh. It came to mean rest long after its first mention.
There are many shabbats, but there is only one Seventh Day.........
now since your Hebrew is so good, in moderrn Hebe, Achshav ma atah rotze medaber .'ani?
I feel like maybe I need to post this verse on every page of this thread.
Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are My feasts.
Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation;
ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.
These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.
Leviticus 23:2-4
You could afflict your soul every week I guess,
but I don't believe it is necessary.
Three times thou shalt keep a feast unto Me in the year.
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Three times in the year all thy males shall appear before the Lord GOD.
Exodus 23:14 & 17
I see a lot of straining over a gnat here.
Saturday or Sunday?
But one day is as another, isn't it?
You just got to do it, you saints.
When you do it, then you won't be wondering when to do it.
Do it like the Lord sets out in His law.
Doesn't matter if it is Tuesday Wednesday and Thursday, just do it.
In the third day, He will raise you up and you will live in His sight
Paul
Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are My feasts.
Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation;
ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.
These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.
Leviticus 23:2-4
You could afflict your soul every week I guess,
but I don't believe it is necessary.
Three times thou shalt keep a feast unto Me in the year.
..
Three times in the year all thy males shall appear before the Lord GOD.
Exodus 23:14 & 17
I see a lot of straining over a gnat here.
Saturday or Sunday?
But one day is as another, isn't it?
You just got to do it, you saints.
When you do it, then you won't be wondering when to do it.
Do it like the Lord sets out in His law.
Doesn't matter if it is Tuesday Wednesday and Thursday, just do it.
In the third day, He will raise you up and you will live in His sight
Paul
And David said unto Jonathan,
Behold, tomorrow is the new moon, and I should not fail to sit with the King at meat:
but let me go, that I may hide myself in the field unto the third day at even.
1 Samuel 20:5
Behold, tomorrow is the new moon, and I should not fail to sit with the King at meat:
but let me go, that I may hide myself in the field unto the third day at even.
1 Samuel 20:5
Jesus Christ has invited all to learn of Him directly. No one who learns from Him afflicts his soul every week.
He has taught the Books of Moses concerning the law and commandments in His light, He Who gave the law in the first place. If you learn of Jesus christ you will earn the law is no good without mercy, faith, and justice. I know what thismeans, and by the Example and teaching of Jesus Christ it is underscored.
Do not confuse obedience, a joy, with being afflicted or under the curse.......all who know the above live in grace and obey God.
Grac without works is the same as faith without works, nonexixtent. So obedience will not gain anyone heaven, but deliberate disobdienc will certainly jeapordize anyone's salvation.
He has taught the Books of Moses concerning the law and commandments in His light, He Who gave the law in the first place. If you learn of Jesus christ you will earn the law is no good without mercy, faith, and justice. I know what thismeans, and by the Example and teaching of Jesus Christ it is underscored.
Do not confuse obedience, a joy, with being afflicted or under the curse.......all who know the above live in grace and obey God.
Grac without works is the same as faith without works, nonexixtent. So obedience will not gain anyone heaven, but deliberate disobdienc will certainly jeapordize anyone's salvation.
PS........I have also posted Paul's teaching on one man observing a day over another etc. My complaint in this thread is the constant accusations of "being under the law" by folks whom I do not condemn for observing Sunday, just for this teaching's manner of reasoning.
I do not like obedience being mocked because it is teaching disobedience in the guise of grace.
I do not like obedience being mocked because it is teaching disobedience in the guise of grace.
Sorry friend but you mentioned the jewish thing in your other post and I was just answering to it.
What do you mean WHY ?
Isn't the 7th day rooted and founded in time itself and sanctified and hallowed by God as special to Him right at the beginning of creation...and as far as I can see is still here with us today !
True...God said to Israel to remember it...
obviously if they had forgotten it so had everybody else...but God did not tell everybody to remember it because He was working with Israel only because of Abraham's faithfulness....
and Israel was to become God's special people and an example to other nations Deut 4. God was drawing people into His work to make them part of what He was doing...since all like sheep had gone astray and were living 'as they pleased Gen 6v5...
that was never God's intention for mankind...we were created to be 'in HIS image ! and God started with Israel...
but they failed to respond to His teaching (see a little insight into their failures in 2Kgs ch 17, makes interesting reading).
Anyway old Israel failed in doing what God wanted and we read in Heb 8 that there was a fault with the people why they broke the first covenant.....thing was they lacked GOD's Power to help them keep His commandments....
but fast forward ! today 'spiritual Israel has GOD's Power in them to help do His work of saving people from death and total annihilation.
Sorry this went on a bit...tried to make it short and without a little back-ground info it is hard to make sense of anything...but you asked, and I'm trying to help.
What do you mean WHY ?
Isn't the 7th day rooted and founded in time itself and sanctified and hallowed by God as special to Him right at the beginning of creation...and as far as I can see is still here with us today !
True...God said to Israel to remember it...
obviously if they had forgotten it so had everybody else...but God did not tell everybody to remember it because He was working with Israel only because of Abraham's faithfulness....
and Israel was to become God's special people and an example to other nations Deut 4. God was drawing people into His work to make them part of what He was doing...since all like sheep had gone astray and were living 'as they pleased Gen 6v5...
that was never God's intention for mankind...we were created to be 'in HIS image ! and God started with Israel...
but they failed to respond to His teaching (see a little insight into their failures in 2Kgs ch 17, makes interesting reading).
Anyway old Israel failed in doing what God wanted and we read in Heb 8 that there was a fault with the people why they broke the first covenant.....thing was they lacked GOD's Power to help them keep His commandments....
but fast forward ! today 'spiritual Israel has GOD's Power in them to help do His work of saving people from death and total annihilation.
Sorry this went on a bit...tried to make it short and without a little back-ground info it is hard to make sense of anything...but you asked, and I'm trying to help.
Because this is posted I will reply here instead of a pm. I like all of the post, but one thing you pointed out and it impressed my soul is the way you say we are created in God's image. That is a great and wonderful thing upon which to meditate.
The immediate message to me fro your inspiration is that when we are born we begin out way, either back to God or the other way. WE learn of Jesus and follow HIm and in so doing God begins His own personal work in each of us, perfecting us until His Great and Glorious Day.
Unhappily if we do not come to Him it is to that other way, and that other influence not in the image of God..we become like he is more and more unless we turn from this world to His, God's, Kingdom. Yes you said all of this to me...thank you. All love in Yeshua, Jesus.
The immediate message to me fro your inspiration is that when we are born we begin out way, either back to God or the other way. WE learn of Jesus and follow HIm and in so doing God begins His own personal work in each of us, perfecting us until His Great and Glorious Day.
Unhappily if we do not come to Him it is to that other way, and that other influence not in the image of God..we become like he is more and more unless we turn from this world to His, God's, Kingdom. Yes you said all of this to me...thank you. All love in Yeshua, Jesus.