Is healing promised to the believers?
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The real and complete healing is shown here (as all other healing is only in a temporary human body that will eventually die)
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Genesis 3:22-24, “And [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mighty said, “See, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put out his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever… so [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mighty sent him out of the garden of Ěḏen to till the ground from which he was taken, and He drove the man out. And He placed keruḇim at the east of the garden of Ěḏen, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to guard the way to the tree of life.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 2:7, “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the assemblies. To him who overcomes I shall give to eat from the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif].”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 22:14, "“Blessed are those doing His commands, so that the authority shall be theirs unto the tree of life, and to enter through the gates into the city. (Mat 19:17) (Long before the books were compiled to form “The New Testament,” Rev 22:14 was quoted, as it is here given, by Tertullian (CE 208), and by Cyprian (CE 251) – see the well-known Antenicene Fathers)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 22:1-3, “And he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, coming from the throne of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]and of the Lamb."In the middle of its street, and on either side of the river, was the tree of life, which bore twelve fruits, each tree yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. And no longer shall there be any curse, and the throne of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]and of the Lamb shall be in it, and His servants shall serve Him.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Genesis 3:22-24, “And [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mighty said, “See, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put out his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever… so [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mighty sent him out of the garden of Ěḏen to till the ground from which he was taken, and He drove the man out. And He placed keruḇim at the east of the garden of Ěḏen, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to guard the way to the tree of life.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 2:7, “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the assemblies. To him who overcomes I shall give to eat from the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif].”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 22:14, "“Blessed are those doing His commands, so that the authority shall be theirs unto the tree of life, and to enter through the gates into the city. (Mat 19:17) (Long before the books were compiled to form “The New Testament,” Rev 22:14 was quoted, as it is here given, by Tertullian (CE 208), and by Cyprian (CE 251) – see the well-known Antenicene Fathers)[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 22:1-3, “And he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, coming from the throne of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]and of the Lamb."In the middle of its street, and on either side of the river, was the tree of life, which bore twelve fruits, each tree yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. And no longer shall there be any curse, and the throne of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]and of the Lamb shall be in it, and His servants shall serve Him.”[/FONT]
I kind of think in the middle of the 2 views, yes it was a messenger of the adversary, yet he prayed to the MOst High and the Most High did not take it away, so for some reason the Most High allowed it. Paul states it is beacuse "to keep me from exalting myself" The exact meaning as to how this applie and would have been an action in his lfe "exalting himself" is unknown to us.
We can be helped by hearing other Christians who have believed and had faith and be spurred on to keep on believing and be not weary in well doing. The writer talks about some of Andrew Wommack's experiences in his ministry of healing. ;
[FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]Sickness is part of sin’s curse. You could say it was Satan’s ministry, his evil gift to the world. Jesus said the devil is a thief (Jn 10:10) and he’ll try and rob your health. Yet many believe that sickness is from God. They think that God makes us sick to us to teach us humility. According to Wommack this makes about as much sense as thinking that God would cause us to get drunk and murder people to teach us character. He no more leads us into sickness than He leads us into sin. So here’s the next lesson:[/FONT]
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“In the same way that I should resist sin, I should resist sickness.” (p.36)[/FONT]
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Nobody ever wonders, “Lord, is it your will for me to sin?” Neither should we wonder whether it’s His will for us to be sick. It isn’t! But if you are uncertain about this – if you think sickness is all part of His mysterious plan – it’ll make you passive. You won’t resist the devil and he won’t flee from you (Jas 4:7). Your neighbors will come to you sick and you’ll send them to the doctor. (I’m not against doctors!) They’ll come battling mental illness and you’ll send them to the psychiatrist. But Jesus didn’t carry our griefs and infirmities to turn us into advice-givers. The Bible tells us that He…[/FONT]
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“…gave Himself for our sins to rescue us from the present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father.” (Gal 1:4)[/FONT]
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The Bible describes this age as evil and the whole world as being under the control of the evil one. This is why people get sick and die. God’s solution is found in the cross. Through His atoning sacrifice, Jesus provided us with everything we need to overcome sin and sickness. So why aren’t we seeing more people healed? Perhaps the number one reason is unbelief arising from ignorance. Many people – Christians included – aren’t fully aware of what Christ did on our behalf.
This was true in my life as a believer for many years. I was not taught to believe. I was taught that this is the Christian life to suffer and be under the foot of evil until I get to heaven. But now I know this is not the Christian life... to be fearful and sick and under the enemies foot. Jesus paid for our healing in all areas.
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[FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]Sickness is part of sin’s curse. You could say it was Satan’s ministry, his evil gift to the world. Jesus said the devil is a thief (Jn 10:10) and he’ll try and rob your health. Yet many believe that sickness is from God. They think that God makes us sick to us to teach us humility. According to Wommack this makes about as much sense as thinking that God would cause us to get drunk and murder people to teach us character. He no more leads us into sickness than He leads us into sin. So here’s the next lesson:[/FONT]
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“In the same way that I should resist sin, I should resist sickness.” (p.36)[/FONT]
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Nobody ever wonders, “Lord, is it your will for me to sin?” Neither should we wonder whether it’s His will for us to be sick. It isn’t! But if you are uncertain about this – if you think sickness is all part of His mysterious plan – it’ll make you passive. You won’t resist the devil and he won’t flee from you (Jas 4:7). Your neighbors will come to you sick and you’ll send them to the doctor. (I’m not against doctors!) They’ll come battling mental illness and you’ll send them to the psychiatrist. But Jesus didn’t carry our griefs and infirmities to turn us into advice-givers. The Bible tells us that He…[/FONT]
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“…gave Himself for our sins to rescue us from the present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father.” (Gal 1:4)[/FONT]
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The Bible describes this age as evil and the whole world as being under the control of the evil one. This is why people get sick and die. God’s solution is found in the cross. Through His atoning sacrifice, Jesus provided us with everything we need to overcome sin and sickness. So why aren’t we seeing more people healed? Perhaps the number one reason is unbelief arising from ignorance. Many people – Christians included – aren’t fully aware of what Christ did on our behalf.
This was true in my life as a believer for many years. I was not taught to believe. I was taught that this is the Christian life to suffer and be under the foot of evil until I get to heaven. But now I know this is not the Christian life... to be fearful and sick and under the enemies foot. Jesus paid for our healing in all areas.
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you forgot the part about sending money
Every WOF preacher insists that you will get your..cough cough...healing when you 'show' your faith by sending them $$$
you appear to have a biased rendering of posts here and have missed something
EVERY SINGLE Christian responding that I have seen here, will tell you that God does heal
you try to twist it and say we don't believe He heals
at least be honest here...what we refute is the faith nonsense as in faith not good enough or whatever excuse is made if someone isn't healed
you WOF'ers set people up for disappointment and what you do is DECREASE people's honest faith in God when the big 'miracle' YOU promise, does not happen
you are speaking out of both sides of your mouth and it is dishonest
Every WOF preacher insists that you will get your..cough cough...healing when you 'show' your faith by sending them $$$
you appear to have a biased rendering of posts here and have missed something
EVERY SINGLE Christian responding that I have seen here, will tell you that God does heal
you try to twist it and say we don't believe He heals
at least be honest here...what we refute is the faith nonsense as in faith not good enough or whatever excuse is made if someone isn't healed
you WOF'ers set people up for disappointment and what you do is DECREASE people's honest faith in God when the big 'miracle' YOU promise, does not happen
you are speaking out of both sides of your mouth and it is dishonest
I forgot to mention that miracles have ceased upon the completion of the Bible and the end of the apostles. I’m not trying to be a downer or take away hope from anyone. When I am sick or in pain I want healing too, and trust me, I know every second counts, every second is like an eternity when you’re in pain. I’m just trying to promote truth- whether that truth is viewed positively or negatively. Miracles have ceased, but faith, hope, and love remain. Through faith the power of prayer remains, and is still effective if it is according to God’s Will. But miracles such as walking on water, raising the dead, or instantly healing the deaf, blind, or infirm have ceased.
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miracles such as Jesus walking on water....that was Jesus but He also rose from the dead and is the Son of God
while I certainly agree that all believers are NOT healed...it is equally untrue to say that God has ceased from being Who He is
be careful. the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life'
God has not changed. Actually Christians should be more in tune with Him then before Christ's life, death and resurrection, first through the word and then, with that as the foundation, through personal relationship, being able to judge what is true and false and not moved by every false wind of doctrine
God IS Spirit. those who worship Him must do so in Spirit and in Truth. We do not have any version of those that are acceptable to God but for what He Himself has already given
God gave gifts to men (scripture) and continues to do so. the gifts of the Holy Spirit, administered by the will of God...not the drummed up, fake and fleshy things some people try to pass off as a 'gift' but is of another spirit....are to build up the body of Christ
they were not given for a period of less than 50 years only. they were also not given for the building up of personalities or special ministries.
it is incorrect to say we have the Bible only as a historical document save for salvation as it is to say that hysteria and emotional outbursts are the work of the Spirit of God
many Christiains just simply are not taught and are, in fact, in a spiritual war over these things
while I certainly agree that all believers are NOT healed...it is equally untrue to say that God has ceased from being Who He is
be careful. the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life'
God has not changed. Actually Christians should be more in tune with Him then before Christ's life, death and resurrection, first through the word and then, with that as the foundation, through personal relationship, being able to judge what is true and false and not moved by every false wind of doctrine
God IS Spirit. those who worship Him must do so in Spirit and in Truth. We do not have any version of those that are acceptable to God but for what He Himself has already given
God gave gifts to men (scripture) and continues to do so. the gifts of the Holy Spirit, administered by the will of God...not the drummed up, fake and fleshy things some people try to pass off as a 'gift' but is of another spirit....are to build up the body of Christ
they were not given for a period of less than 50 years only. they were also not given for the building up of personalities or special ministries.
it is incorrect to say we have the Bible only as a historical document save for salvation as it is to say that hysteria and emotional outbursts are the work of the Spirit of God
many Christiains just simply are not taught and are, in fact, in a spiritual war over these things
Here again 7seas you are making this personal with your attacks. Just realize not everyone believes the same as you do. Don't take it personally. Since I bother you that much you probably should put me on your ignore list.
Now back to the subject., Many who have never heard of healing cannot pray for it or believe it's available. Thank God for the gifts of teachers and preachers and evangelists He gave to the church. I like what Andrew Wommack says here in this excerpt ;
Those who refuse to believe that God is in the healing business often point to Paul’s thorn in the flesh (2 Cor 12:7) or Timothy’s tummy troubles (1 Ti 5:23). Wommack deals with these and other chestnuts (e.g., Trophimus, Paul’s eyes) thoroughly. A “thorn in the flesh” is an Old Testament idiom (Num 33:55, Jud 2:3) that refers to persecution, not sickness, while Paul told Timothy to drink fortified wine and avoid the local water so he wouldn’t get “Delhi Belly” when he travelled.
Perhaps the most interesting part of Wommack’s book is his discussion of the laws of the kingdom that govern healing. These laws, like the laws of physics, are consistent and universal. They describe the way that God releases His power. For instance, faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of Christ (Rm 10:17). If you haven’t heard that Christ has carried your infirmities, then you’re going to have troubling believing that He did.
God heals both the good and the evil for His purposes.
To assert that God must heal believers is utter foolishness and driven by man's desires not submitted to the purposes of God.
Ro 8:36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
To assert that God must heal believers is utter foolishness and driven by man's desires not submitted to the purposes of God.
Ro 8:36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Actually, we should forget such testimonies, because if presented as you say, they are slanderous, misinformed, faithless, ignorant, and borderline blasphemous. God doesn't "fail to heal". He may not heal, but that is not a failure on His part! He guarantees us new bodies of incorruptible flesh. He doesn't guarantee to preserve or even fix the ones we presently inhabit.
I suspect that you didn't intend to misrepresent God, but I would encourage you to reframe it in a way that glorifies Him, rather than inadvertently casting blame.
I suspect that you didn't intend to misrepresent God, but I would encourage you to reframe it in a way that glorifies Him, rather than inadvertently casting blame.
Please quote the Bible where it says that "miracles have ceased". It certainly isn't in 1 Corinthians 13... "Miracles have ceased, but faith, hope and love remain." You invented the first part of that sentence. What it does say will cease (not "have ceased") is prophecy, tongues and knowledge. Those aren't even the miracles you mention!
I can't speak for everyone on the cessationest side, but they do believe in healing, just not that it's a promise. To say healing is a promise is unbiblical and an insult to those with faith who aren't healed.
The context of 1 Peter 2:24 is spiritual healing, what Christ did on the cross was he took our stripes, our punishment. Nothing to do with healing.
The context of 1 Peter 2:24 is spiritual healing, what Christ did on the cross was he took our stripes, our punishment. Nothing to do with healing.
Matthew 8:16-17King James Version (KJV)
16 When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick:
17 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses.
Isaiah 53 actually does include physical healing, its in verse 4 quoted in the NT (Matthew 8:17), and the context reveals deliverance and physical healing (healed all that were sick).
Isaiah 53:4King James Version (KJV)
4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
16 When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick:
17 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses.
Isaiah 53 actually does include physical healing, its in verse 4 quoted in the NT (Matthew 8:17), and the context reveals deliverance and physical healing (healed all that were sick).
Isaiah 53:4King James Version (KJV)
4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
No., what is insulting and wrong is not preaching the truth for fear of hurting those who don't believe in what the Bible says regardless of whether it's healing or any other truth we believe and are discussing. The truth is true whether one gets healed or not. We speak the truth regardless of what we experience. But we don't insult or degrade or belittle. I have done none of that.
I believe differently about healing than you and some here do. We each have to come to our own conclusions based on our own study of the Bible and being thoroughly convinced I believe. You are free to believe in healing or not.
Many believe Paul was sick.., or blind... as if God gave him sickness after He sent Jesus to heal us from all our sicknesses and diseases.
But the truth is Paul was not sick. He was praying that God would deliver him from the enemy (messengers of satan) ungodly people followed Paul to every place he preached to discourage and bother him.
God told Paul His grace was sufficient. God doesn't send sickness to "teach us a lesson" or stop us from being prideful. We have the Holy Spirit and the Bible to teach us (the washing of the water of the Word)
God told Paul His grace was sufficient. God doesn't send sickness to "teach us a lesson" or stop us from being prideful. We have the Holy Spirit and the Bible to teach us (the washing of the water of the Word)
[/FONT][FONT="]28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.[/FONT]
[FONT="]29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.[/FONT]
[FONT="]30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.[/FONT]
[FONT="]31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.[/FONT]
[FONT="]32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.[/FONT]
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There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love. 1 John 4:18
If someone is fearing punishment from God, then the love of God has not had it's perfect work in them. We are supposed to look at the cross for our answers and see the completed work of Jesus. What will God keep from us when He gave us His best? Now we are sons and now the Bible says God is for us who can be against us? Do we believe that or not. I chose to believe.
Receiving communion is the same. We don't go in fear that God is going to zap us in the pew if we have not confessed a sin. I was raised on that kind of teaching. It is wrong. We go and receive communion to remember what Jesus did for us by taking away our sins by dying on the cross... by His stripes we are healed. a We receive communion to remember His death till he comes back. We don't remember our sins because God has forgiven and forgotten them already. By His stripes we have been healed..... not condemned. AMEN!!
If someone is fearing punishment from God, then the love of God has not had it's perfect work in them. We are supposed to look at the cross for our answers and see the completed work of Jesus. What will God keep from us when He gave us His best? Now we are sons and now the Bible says God is for us who can be against us? Do we believe that or not. I chose to believe.
Receiving communion is the same. We don't go in fear that God is going to zap us in the pew if we have not confessed a sin. I was raised on that kind of teaching. It is wrong. We go and receive communion to remember what Jesus did for us by taking away our sins by dying on the cross... by His stripes we are healed. a We receive communion to remember His death till he comes back. We don't remember our sins because God has forgiven and forgotten them already. By His stripes we have been healed..... not condemned. AMEN!!
The idea of seeking after a sign before one believes is not recommended but is opposed every time. No sign gifts as that seen . Sign are for natural man this includes the sign of healing
We walk by the faith that comes from hearing God having not received the promise of our new bodies, which we will. (Hebrews11:39-40
We look to things not seen the eternal, not the thing seen, the temporal. Walking by sight destroys the faith principle as a law of faith.
Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. Heb 4:1
When men do not mix the faith of Christ that comes from hearing Christ in what they hear or see, Men will seek after what their eyes see .( Instant gratification the cause of the fall.).
In Acts 14 God instructed Paul by faith to give a demonstration of the unseen Spirit of Christ working in both men to both will and do His good pleasure God knew who to heal and who he would send as a demonstration of that not seen “ the power to heal” .
Neither Paul nor the man healed understood what a imputed righteousness was until the man obeyed the word of God to walk. I think they both leaped for Joy knowing it was God working in them .
It would begin with the hearing of faith the preaching of gospel
They were ware of it, and fled unto Lystra and Derbe, cities of Lycaonia, and unto the region that lieth round about: And there they preached the gospel. And there sat a certain man at Lystra, impotent in his feet, being a cripple from his mother's womb, who never had walked: The same heard Paul speak: who stedfastly beholding him, and perceiving that he had faith to be healed,
Not yet healed.
The Holy Spirit revealed to Paul by the hearing of faith that the man was given the faith to believe God through the gospel, The sign that he did believe when Christ puts his words on Paul’s lips “Stand upright on thy feet”. And he leaped and walked, it followed showing he believed
Act 14:10 Said with a loud voice, Stand upright on thy feet. And he leaped and walked.
I would think they both leaped for joy for one another. In that way all spiritual gifts not seen are two fold held together by the same “mutual faith” of Christ, it comes by hearing what the Spirit says to men as it does us the church..
A Good example how that mutual faith does work in two in Romans 1 ....offer it after this Acts 14 offering..
And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men.And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker.Then the priest of Jupiter, which was before their city, brought oxen and garlands unto the gates, and would have done sacrifice with the people. Act 14:11-13
The sign of renting their clothes below was a sign to those rebels who did not mix faith in what they saw or heard. The idea of an outward sign gift by the hands /will of man .....makes men god’s in the likeness of men .
Act 14:14 Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out,
The work of the gospel according to the faith of Christ, provided the mutual work of Christ working in them to both will and do His good pleasure ..
Making request, if by any means now at length I might have a prosperous journey by the will of God to come unto you.For I long to see you, that I may impart unto you some spiritual gift, to the end ye may be established;That is, that I may be comforted together with you by the mutual faith (Christ’s) both of you and me.Now I would not have you ignorant, brethren, that oftentimes I purposed to come unto you, (but was let hitherto,) that I might have some fruit among you also, even as among other Gentiles.I am debtor both to the Greeks, and to the Barbarians; both to the wise, and to the unwise.So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also.For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom 1:10-16
We walk by the faith that comes from hearing God having not received the promise of our new bodies, which we will. (Hebrews11:39-40
We look to things not seen the eternal, not the thing seen, the temporal. Walking by sight destroys the faith principle as a law of faith.
Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. Heb 4:1
When men do not mix the faith of Christ that comes from hearing Christ in what they hear or see, Men will seek after what their eyes see .( Instant gratification the cause of the fall.).
In Acts 14 God instructed Paul by faith to give a demonstration of the unseen Spirit of Christ working in both men to both will and do His good pleasure God knew who to heal and who he would send as a demonstration of that not seen “ the power to heal” .
Neither Paul nor the man healed understood what a imputed righteousness was until the man obeyed the word of God to walk. I think they both leaped for Joy knowing it was God working in them .
It would begin with the hearing of faith the preaching of gospel
They were ware of it, and fled unto Lystra and Derbe, cities of Lycaonia, and unto the region that lieth round about: And there they preached the gospel. And there sat a certain man at Lystra, impotent in his feet, being a cripple from his mother's womb, who never had walked: The same heard Paul speak: who stedfastly beholding him, and perceiving that he had faith to be healed,
Not yet healed.
The Holy Spirit revealed to Paul by the hearing of faith that the man was given the faith to believe God through the gospel, The sign that he did believe when Christ puts his words on Paul’s lips “Stand upright on thy feet”. And he leaped and walked, it followed showing he believed
Act 14:10 Said with a loud voice, Stand upright on thy feet. And he leaped and walked.
I would think they both leaped for joy for one another. In that way all spiritual gifts not seen are two fold held together by the same “mutual faith” of Christ, it comes by hearing what the Spirit says to men as it does us the church..
A Good example how that mutual faith does work in two in Romans 1 ....offer it after this Acts 14 offering..
And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men.And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker.Then the priest of Jupiter, which was before their city, brought oxen and garlands unto the gates, and would have done sacrifice with the people. Act 14:11-13
The sign of renting their clothes below was a sign to those rebels who did not mix faith in what they saw or heard. The idea of an outward sign gift by the hands /will of man .....makes men god’s in the likeness of men .
Act 14:14 Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out,
The work of the gospel according to the faith of Christ, provided the mutual work of Christ working in them to both will and do His good pleasure ..
Making request, if by any means now at length I might have a prosperous journey by the will of God to come unto you.For I long to see you, that I may impart unto you some spiritual gift, to the end ye may be established;That is, that I may be comforted together with you by the mutual faith (Christ’s) both of you and me.Now I would not have you ignorant, brethren, that oftentimes I purposed to come unto you, (but was let hitherto,) that I might have some fruit among you also, even as among other Gentiles.I am debtor both to the Greeks, and to the Barbarians; both to the wise, and to the unwise.So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also.For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom 1:10-16
That's Isaiah 53:4.
I was on the next passage which is spiritual healing.
Isaiah 53:5 is spiritual healing. Isaiah 53:4 was FULFILLED in Jesus time just as stated in Matthew.
Isaiah 53:5/1 Peter 2:24 is spiritual healing being fulfilled today in the elect, better known as salvation, which is exactly what Peter is referring to in context, and is what my post considered.
That being said, I find it odd that so many today concern themselves way more with physical healings, "lengthening their days" (if even truly possible), IOW concerns for their fleshly condition, "miracles and signs" rather than their spiritual condition which is what Isaiah 53 is really and truly about when considered contextually.
I was on the next passage which is spiritual healing.
Isaiah 53:5 is spiritual healing. Isaiah 53:4 was FULFILLED in Jesus time just as stated in Matthew.
Isaiah 53:5/1 Peter 2:24 is spiritual healing being fulfilled today in the elect, better known as salvation, which is exactly what Peter is referring to in context, and is what my post considered.
That being said, I find it odd that so many today concern themselves way more with physical healings, "lengthening their days" (if even truly possible), IOW concerns for their fleshly condition, "miracles and signs" rather than their spiritual condition which is what Isaiah 53 is really and truly about when considered contextually.