Is healing promised to the believers?

[beastslayer1970]

Don't even go there. DO NOT say (or imply) that because someone might lack enough faith or trust in God, that He won't heal them or their loved ones.. I hear that ALL THE TIME on here, on every single "does God heal" thread that comes along and it makes me wanna puke.. That people are so audacious to presume that Valiant (or anyone else) doesn't have the certain level of trust or faith that it takes for his wife to be healed absolutely makes me see red. Who is anyone here, to determine what level of faith or trust a person must have to be healed? GOD SAYS A MUSTARD SEED SIZE FAITH IS ALL IT TAKES.

Why people try to determine what God has already said is acceptable in terms of faith and trust, is beyond my scope of understanding..

You do understand that faith and being obedient in trust is simply resting in these facts: that we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose?, in everything give thanks; for this is God’s will for you in Christ Jesus.

Please read what I posted. I did not ever state what you are implying I said, nor did I adhere to that nonsense. Now please read both posts and show me anywhere I said Valiant had to have more faith.

I am sorry if you thought I was doing that, I was not.

 

[beastslayer1970]

Yes I trusted God to heal. But He hasn't. And He has me baffled,

I have been there with 2 parents, which both had advanced disease process. One was type 1 Diabetic and died very early, the other type 4 liver cancer, brought on by psoriasis of the liver from a decades long battle with hepatitis C I know what you are feeling. Both mom and Dad trusted and believed and had faith, God had another plan. I learned through that to trust in him in ALL things and that his grace was sufficient. I was more than baffled I was mad at God. I saw people getting healed all over the place. He then showed me Hebrews 5:7-10.

I will openly apologize if you thought I was taunting you to have more faith, it was not implied or directed to you in anyway.

God always has a Plan, my friend and you know this.

I will add you both to my prayers.

 

[blue_ladybug]

OK, let me clarify. Right here in your first sentence, you asked Valiant if his faith has moved into absolute trust. That kind of implies that you may think his trust isn't strong enough. Yes, I know all things work together according to God's purpose. If you haven't read my testimonies, I'd like to suggest that you do. I DO give thanks, especially during my trials. I'm sure Valiant and everyone else here does also.. People here who have illnesses have been told their faith isn't strong enough, or they don't have enough of it, or that they don't truly trust God will heal them. Many have even been told that demons are causing their illness. :/

The simple fact is, and people don't want to accept it, GOD DOES NOT heal EVERYONE in THIS lifetime..

Has your faith moved into absolute trust? I walked through a very serious health issue last year. God showed me I had the faith, what he wanted was my trust, and not me placing faith into my faith, as many on this thread seem to do.

Jesus had faith in God, that he would be raised from the dead, but until Jesus fully trusted him, God was not moved.
Trust is obedience to the faith we are given a measure of.

Heb 5:7-10

[SUP]7 [/SUP]In the days of His flesh, He offered up both prayers and supplications with loud crying and tears to the One able to save Him from death, and He was heard because of His piety. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Although He was a Son, He learned obedience from the things which He suffered. [SUP]9 [/SUP]And having been made perfect, He became to all those who obey Him the source of eternal salvation, [SUP]10 [/SUP]being designated by God as a high priest according to the order of Melchizedek.

You do understand that faith and being obedient in trust is simply resting in these facts: that we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose?, in everything give thanks; for this is God’s will for you in Christ Jesus.

Please read what I posted. I did not ever state what you are implying I said, nor did I adhere to that nonsense. Now please read both posts and show me anywhere I said Valiant had to have more faith.

I am sorry if you thought I was doing that, I was not.

 

[blue_ladybug]

*Cirrhosis*

Psoriasis is a skin condition..

I have been there with 2 parents, which both had advanced disease process. One was type 1 Diabetic and died very early, the other type 4 liver cancer, brought on by psoriasis of the liver from a decades long battle with hepatitis C I know what you are feeling. Both mom and Dad trusted and believed and had faith, God had another plan. I learned through that to trust in him in ALL things and that his grace was sufficient. I was more than baffled I was mad at God. I saw people getting healed all over the place. He then showed me Hebrews 5:7-10.

I will openly apologize if you thought I was taunting you to have more faith, it was not implied or directed to you in anyway.

God always has a Plan, my friend and you know this.

I will add you both to my prayers.

 

[beastslayer1970]

OK, let me clarify. Right here in your first sentence, you asked Valiant if his faith has moved into absolute trust. That kind of implies that you may think his trust isn't strong enough. Yes, I know all things work together according to God's purpose. If you haven't read my testimonies, I'd like to suggest that you do. I DO give thanks, especially during my trials. I'm sure Valiant and everyone else here does also.. People here who have illnesses have been told their faith isn't strong enough, or they don't have enough of it, or that they don't truly trust God will heal them. Many have even been told that demons are causing their illness. :/

The simple fact is, and people don't want to accept it, GOD DOES NOT heal EVERYONE in THIS lifetime..

My parents were told the same thing as the bold black above. They just waved them off, loved those idiots anyway and chalked it up to spiritual immaturity. That taught me and my siblings something very important. Those that place faith into faith and claim its God total will for us to always be healed, do not understand true trust in God as Jesus taught us in Hebrews 5:7-10

Trust is understanding God has control in all things good or bad. That is what I was trying to say. I also believe 100% what you said in bold red above.

It is always about God's glory not ours, which many here suggest when they claim God never allows his sons and daughters to suffer for the kingdom, even through illness and sickness.

I am glad we could maturely hammer this out. Have a good evening.

 

[beastslayer1970]

*Cirrhosis*

Psoriasis is a skin condition..

I rebuke auto correct in the name Jesus
thanks, sorry for the mistake.

Yes it was, Cirrhosis.

 

[blue_ladybug]

I have lived with sickness every single day since I was 5 years old. That's literally nearly my entire lifetime..

 

[louis]

My wife suffers from advanced Parkinson's disease and bipolar illness. I have heard many people who have seen wonderful healings. I have sought their prayers but they have been of no avail. I have a number of books proclaiming things like 'your healing starts here'. But I have prayed long, hard and believingly for her healing and there is no answer.

Perhaps someone can tell me, and I say this reverently, how I can move God, for He seems immoveable??

I do not know if there are people today who solely place their faith in God, as did Jesus, Peter, and many other first century believers.
We are all mostly double minded today, placing our faith in both God and money (mammon), and as such it may be the reason why we do not meet the requirement of performing a true prayer of faith.
One possible remedy for your situation may be a change of environment. One that is more tranquil, in a country setting alleviates stress and thereby may alleviate some of the symptoms your wife is experiencing.

 

[garee]

Faith moves God.

His faith moves Him or our own?

 

[Jackson123]

My parents were told the same thing as the bold black above. They just waved them off, loved those idiots anyway and chalked it up to spiritual immaturity. That taught me and my siblings something very important. Those that place faith into faith and claim its God total will for us to always be healed, do not understand true trust in God as Jesus taught us in Hebrews 5:7-10

Trust is understanding God has control in all things good or bad. That is what I was trying to say. I also believe 100% what you said in bold red above.

It is always about God's glory not ours, which many here suggest when they claim God never allows his sons and daughters to suffer for the kingdom, even through illness and sickness.

I am glad we could maturely hammer this out. Have a good evening.

have you raise people from the death?

 

[Jackson123]

I do not know if there are people today who solely place their faith in God, as did Jesus, Peter, and many other first century believers.
We are all mostly double minded today, placing our faith in both God and money (mammon), and as such it may be the reason why we do not meet the requirement of performing a true prayer of faith.
One possible remedy for your situation may be a change of environment. One that is more tranquil, in a country setting alleviates stress and thereby may alleviate some of the symptoms your wife is experiencing.

We have to Remember Paul pray to remove torn in his flesh and fail.

 

[Jackson123]

His faith moves Him or our own?

What do you mean by His? Is His in this statement mean God?

 

[blue_ladybug]

I only know that in 42 years, I have NOT been healed of epilepsy, despite begging and praying for it to be taken from me...

 

[7seasrekeyed]

say what?

 

[7seasrekeyed]

that's not in response to your post blue

 

[Cloverleafachad]

No it is not promised to every believer. Otherwise, we will forever live. The book of Hebrew says that it is appointed for man to die once and after this, the judgment. If every time we got illness, and God would heal us, then this verse is not true.

 

[garee]

It could very well apply to spiritual sickness that is healed, but it would also apply to physical sickness being healed. The Lord and apostles healed physical infirmities, and the Lord did say that the miracles He did and greater miracles than He did would proceed from they who believed on Him (John 14:12). As I stated in my original response on this thread; the fault lies with us, that we do not believe on Him wholeheartedly. I believe this to be due to our presently being double minded; putting faith in both God and mammon.

John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

Doing greater things seeing there is no thing greater than receiving a new body that will never die and a new spirit and heart as the result of the gospel The Son of man who received no honor in his flesh for the outward working of His Spirit . Possibly a few here and there are recorded as believing the gospel to the salvation of their soul around 500 before Pentecost. At Pentecost Christ who was no longer here in the flesh gave his faith to believe to their salvation of the soul three thousand.

Three thousand is the greater works.

We walk by faith that alone comes from hearing God (prophecy) the unseen not after the flesh as that seen .Christ said it’s an evil generation, the generation of Adam unredeemed mankind. That does require a sign before they will believe. God can heal whether or not we believe he can. There are spiritual unseen eternal healing but nothing as to what the eyes see (the temporal) .All died not receiving the promise ...we continue to walk by faith.

 

[Rosemaryx]

Only to the ignorant, simple, and deceived.
The reason for bad things happening to infants and small children is due to the sins of one or both of the parents or grandparents.
Please notice in the parable of the unforgiving servant in Matthew 18 how the sin of the father/husband affected not only the wife but the children as well.

Mat 18:25 But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made.
Mat 18:32 Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:
Mat 18:33 Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?
Mat 18:34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.
Mat 18:35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.

Also note that the debt God forgave, He revisited. Not only that, but He tacked on tormentors because of the lack of forgiveness toward his fellow servants.

Joh 5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.

Hi know1...The bible says we do not suffer for the sins of our parents...Ezekiel 18:20 20 The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not bear the guilt of the father, nor the father bear the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself....xox...

 

[louis]

We have to Remember Paul pray to remove torn in his flesh and fail.

You are correct that Paul prayed (3 times) to have that thorn in his flesh removed and his request was not met. But his prayer was answered as to why that thorn in his flesh was not removed, in order to keep him humble, and not becoming full of himself.

2 Corinthians 12:7 [FONT=&quot]And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.[/FONT]

 

[louis]

Doing greater things seeing there is no thing greater than receiving a new body that will never die and a new spirit and heart as the result of the gospel The Son of man who received no honor in his flesh for the outward working of His Spirit . Possibly a few here and there are recorded as believing the gospel to the salvation of their soul around 500 before Pentecost. At Pentecost Christ who was no longer here in the flesh gave his faith to believe to their salvation of the soul three thousand.

Three thousand is the greater works.

We walk by faith that alone comes from hearing God (prophecy) the unseen not after the flesh as that seen .Christ said it’s an evil generation, the generation of Adam unredeemed mankind. That does require a sign before they will believe. God can heal whether or not we believe he can. There are spiritual unseen eternal healing but nothing as to what the eyes see (the temporal) .All died not receiving the promise ...we continue to walk by faith.

And what about doing the same miracles that Christ did.
Do you not recognize the great deceiver (Satan), deceiving you with a perspective that does not meet the criteria the Lord stated would follow those who believed on Him?