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OK, let's examine these assertions one by one, and that should also cover the rest of this post.

True
. As the Bible says (Rom 3:20) Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

So we all know that sinners are justified by grace through faith, but many Christians are unaware that the saints are sanctified by obeying the Ten Commandments by the power of the Spirit through agape love.


False.
To be sanctified is indeed to become more like Christ, who is Love, since God is love.

The Ten Commandments were summed up by Christ as the two greatest commandments, and both those commandments are summed up in one word -- AGAPE (Charity or Love). Paul says that Love is the fulfilling of the Law, and he refers to some of the Ten Commandments in that context (Rom 13:8-10). And Jesus said "If you love me you will keep my commandments". Therefore in the New Covenant, the Holy Spirit writes those commandments in the hearts and minds of believers, and when they walk in love and walk in the Spirit, they are in fact fulfilling the Law.

So if we are to understand the Law properly, it is God's immutable standard of morality, righteousness, and spirituality. On one hand it condemns the guilty sinner and does not allow him to be justified by the deeds of the Law. On the other hand it sanctifies the saint who sees the Law summed up in the two greatest commandments -- total love for God (the first four commandments summed up), and unfeigned or genuine love for your neighbor (the last six commandments summed up). Upon these two hang all the Law and the Prophets, but they also form the foundation of the Law of Christ, which is the Law of Love, the Law of Liberty, and the Royal Law. Study the epistle of James for more insight into this.

Lol.. FALSE

The commands are summed up in two commands, your right, LOVE

We love BECAUSE God loved us first,

The law does not tell us this. The law says do not do this, do not do that. It does not tell us HOW not to do this or that, It was not given for that purpose
 
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I am not disagreeing with you, but as I understand it God was always the source even for the law Moses gave us.

The law is the marriage proposal for God and His bride. David teach us that the law is perfect but also that the law is written on his heart. He teach us that we have to love the law, take delight in it and not forget it. How can we read that and say Jesus destroyed it? Friend it is our interpretation and understanding of God's law that has changed.

The law was always written on our hearts but thank God he gave it to Moses to write it down because imagine the deception without the Bible being available to all :) .
It was the proposal for God and his bride?

I hope our potential mates do not come and give us laws. And tell us we have to confirm every word on the contract and obey every word or the marriage is off.

 
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​The Ten Commandments were only the tip of the iceberg of Old Testament law. There were many more laws than ten under Moses- all of which we still obey spiritually. God’s law was not nailed to the cross, what was nailed was the physical way of obeying God’s law under Moses.

Now we are under Christ, not Moses, and we obey those laws spiritually, not physically. Therefore we are no longer to physically drag sinners out of the city and stone them to death. Can we murder or commit adultery? No, God’s law still stands. But under Christ, since we obey it spiritually, if you commit it in your heart, you are already guilty of it.

What was nailed was the curse of the law. If the curse of the law (The handwritten requirements which was against us and contrary to us and against us, was taken out of the way)

if we are still under law. We are still under the curse.
 

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Just a reminder to myself and to all, the following i s the subject of the OP.

Many coming into the Bible Discussion make
reference to the prophecy in Ezekiel and in
Jeremiah, among others, of how we should
receive the law as writtenno longer on tablets
of stone, rather it is to be written upon the
fleshy tablets of our hearts.

What is conveniently overlooked almost
all of the time is this, there were only Ten,
Commandments, written by God in stone, no
more and no less.

Now why is this if there are only the Ten why
then the reference gen erallay to "the law?"

It is quite simple, the Ten Commandments,
when studied and understood , actually
do contain all of the law that is not to ever
pass until heaven and earth have passed away,
and perhaps not even then.

Conveniently overlooked is the truth that there
is no mention of any of the Commandments
being deleted, removed or abolished. There
remain ten on our hearts.

Again I stress to all who wish to kowdfinitivly
about the law under grace, with God, our Father,
having inscribed them on our hearts, it is our
hearts testifying to how the laws is yet, according
to the enlightenment of Jesus Christ and the Holy
Spirit.

Examine each of the Commandments and see if
any one of them is not God's wisdom and will
for us all to live in His light.

Thus we live in grace and we recognize the wisdom and
will of our Father Who has given us Jesus Christ.

Let us praise God in obedience and gratitude for His
Great and Wonderful Sacrifice just for each one of us, amen.
 

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I wonder if any of the followers of the law keep Purim?

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

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Why do you keep labeling those who believe in obeying God as followers of the law? That is just plain in error.

AS far as Purim is concerned, it commemorates the heroism of Esther who saved the Hebrews ergo saving the records of prophesy of Jesus Christ to come in the prophets and in the law.

I always remember Esther and revere her just as I do Mary, neither of who are to be worshipped however what they have done is magnificent.

My heart, filled with the HOly Spirit bears witness to her, also known in her Hbrew name as Hagadaj-

Haman!


I wonder if any of the followers of the law keep Purim?

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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What was nailed was the curse of the law. If the curse of the law (The handwritten requirements which was against us and contrary to us and against us, was taken out of the way)

if we are still under law. We are still under the curse.
True,
The curse was nailed to the cross.
And so now we are given Blessings in Abundance.
So as the Living waters flow out of the Heart, our Souls are being nourished to provide for the Fruits that will sustain us through the seasons. As believers in the Faithful Redeemer to come in His fullness upon the Whole world is a Promise coursing through the veins of the Body of the Holy One Yeshua(jesus) the body of Christ.

Bread and Water
enmity occasioned by the Torah
Do you know what ordinance this is?


Ephesians 2Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
2 You used to be dead because of your sins and acts of disobedience. 2 You walked in the ways of the ‘olam hazeh and obeyed the Ruler of the Powers of the Air, who is still at work among the disobedient. 3 Indeed, we all once lived this way — we followed the passions of our old nature and obeyed the wishes of our old nature and our own thoughts. In our natural condition we were headed for God’s wrath, just like everyone else.

4 But God is so rich in mercy and loves us with such intense love 5 that, even when we were dead because of our acts of disobedience, he brought us to life along with the Messiah — it is by grace that you have been delivered. 6 That is, God raised us up with the Messiah Yeshua and seated us with him in heaven, 7 in order to exhibit in the ages to come how infinitely rich is his grace, how great is his kindness toward us who are united with the Messiah Yeshua. 8 For you have been delivered by grace through trusting, and even this is not your accomplishment but God’s gift. 9 You were not delivered by your own actions; therefore no one should boast. 10 For we are of God’s making, created in union with the Messiah Yeshua for a life of good actions already prepared by God for us to do.

11 Therefore, remember your former state: you Gentiles by birth — called the Uncircumcised by those who, merely because of an operation on their flesh, are called the Circumcised — 12 at that time had no Messiah. You were estranged from the national life of Isra’el. You were foreigners to the covenants embodying God’s promise. You were in this world without hope and without God.

13 But now, you who were once far off have been brought near through the shedding of the Messiah’s blood. 14 For he himself is our shalom — he has made us both one and has broken down the m’chitzah which divided us 15 by destroying in his own body the enmity occasioned by the Torah, with its commands set forth in the form of ordinances. He did this in order to create in union with himself from the two groups a single new humanity and thus make shalom, 16 and in order to reconcile to God both in a single body by being executed on a stake as a criminal and thus in himself killing that enmity.

17 Also, when he came, he announced as Good News shalom to you far off and shalom to those nearby,[a] 18 news that through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father.

19 So then, you are no longer foreigners and strangers. On the contrary, you are fellow-citizens with God’s people and members of God’s family. 20 You have been built on the foundation of the emissaries and the prophets, with the cornerstone being Yeshua the Messiah himself. 21 In union with him the whole building is held together, and it is growing into a holy temple in union with the Lord. 22 Yes, in union with him, you yourselves are being built together into a spiritual dwelling-place for God!
 
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notuptome

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Why do you keep labeling those who believe in obeying God as followers of the law? That is just plain in error.

AS far as Purim is concerned, it commemorates the heroism of Esther who saved the Hebrews ergo saving the records of prophesy of Jesus Christ to come in the prophets and in the law.

I always remember Esther and revere her just as I do Mary, neither of who are to be worshipped however what they have done is magnificent.

My heart, filled with the HOly Spirit bears witness to her, also known in her Hbrew name as Hagadaj-

Haman!
I ask because I was unaware that Purim is a celebration where Jews are commanded to become intoxicated to the point where they cannot distinguish between evil Hamman and good Mordecai.

A celebration that God did not command but Mordecai.

For the cause of Christ
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True,
The curse was nailed to the cross.
And so now we are given Blessings in Abundance.
So as the Living waters flow out of the Heart, our Souls are being nourished to provide for the Fruits that will sustain us through the seasons. As believers in the Faithful Redeemer to come in His fullness upon the Whole world is a Promise coursing through the veins of the Body of the Holy One Yeshua(jesus) the body of Christ.

Bread and Water
enmity occasioned by the Torah
Do you know what ordinance this is?


Ephesians 2Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
2 You used to be dead because of your sins and acts of disobedience. 2 You walked in the ways of the ‘olam hazeh and obeyed the Ruler of the Powers of the Air, who is still at work among the disobedient. 3 Indeed, we all once lived this way — we followed the passions of our old nature and obeyed the wishes of our old nature and our own thoughts. In our natural condition we were headed for God’s wrath, just like everyone else.

4 But God is so rich in mercy and loves us with such intense love 5 that, even when we were dead because of our acts of disobedience, he brought us to life along with the Messiah — it is by grace that you have been delivered. 6 That is, God raised us up with the Messiah Yeshua and seated us with him in heaven, 7 in order to exhibit in the ages to come how infinitely rich is his grace, how great is his kindness toward us who are united with the Messiah Yeshua. 8 For you have been delivered by grace through trusting, and even this is not your accomplishment but God’s gift. 9 You were not delivered by your own actions; therefore no one should boast. 10 For we are of God’s making, created in union with the Messiah Yeshua for a life of good actions already prepared by God for us to do.

11 Therefore, remember your former state: you Gentiles by birth — called the Uncircumcised by those who, merely because of an operation on their flesh, are called the Circumcised — 12 at that time had no Messiah. You were estranged from the national life of Isra’el. You were foreigners to the covenants embodying God’s promise. You were in this world without hope and without God.

13 But now, you who were once far off have been brought near through the shedding of the Messiah’s blood. 14 For he himself is our shalom — he has made us both one and has broken down the m’chitzah which divided us 15 by destroying in his own body the enmity occasioned by the Torah, with its commands set forth in the form of ordinances. He did this in order to create in union with himself from the two groups a single new humanity and thus make shalom, 16 and in order to reconcile to God both in a single body by being executed on a stake as a criminal and thus in himself killing that enmity.

17 Also, when he came, he announced as Good News shalom to you far off and shalom to those nearby,[a] 18 news that through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father.

19 So then, you are no longer foreigners and strangers. On the contrary, you are fellow-citizens with God’s people and members of God’s family. 20 You have been built on the foundation of the emissaries and the prophets, with the cornerstone being Yeshua the Messiah himself. 21 In union with him the whole building is held together, and it is growing into a holy temple in union with the Lord. 22 Yes, in union with him, you yourselves are being built together into a spiritual dwelling-place for God!

A Foundation Governed by the Word of His Power
Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ. 4 For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love 5 he predestined us for adoption to sonship[c] through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will— 6 to the praise of his glorious grace, which he has freely given us in the One he loves. 7 In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God’s grace 8 that he lavished on us. With all wisdom and understanding, 9 he[d] made known to us the mystery of his will according to his good pleasure, which he purposed in Christ, 10 to be put into effect when the times reach their fulfillment—to bring unity to all things in heaven and on earth under Christ.

11 In him we were also chosen,[e] having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will, 12 in order that we, who were the first to put our hope in Christ, might be for the praise of his glory. 13 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.

 
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I wonder if any of the followers of the law keep Purim?

For the cause of Christ
Roger
Not sure what is meant by "followers of the law". Lay up your Treasures in Heaven
The Torah is best understood in context as instruction. As in a schoolmaster brings us to the Holy One of Israel(Christ)
As for me, i call no man master. My Master is One and He is with me Always till the unfolding of all Promises.
Love Your Neighbors
As for purim. Why concern such a thought like you have toward your neighbors. If they want to commemorate something in respect to Women.
After all, I believe My Lord said it best when
[FONT=&quot]For if you forgive others their offenses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you; 15 but if you do not forgive others their offenses, your heavenly Father will not forgive yours.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]16 “Now when you fast, don’t go around looking miserable, like the hypocrites. They make sour faces so that people will know they are fasting. Yes! I tell you, they have their reward already! 17 But you, when you fast, wash your face and groom yourself, 18 so that no one will know you are fasting — except your Father, who is with you in secret. Your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.[/FONT]
 
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What was nailed was the curse of the law. If the curse of the law (The handwritten requirements which was against us and contrary to us and against us, was taken out of the way)

if we are still under law. We are still under the curse.
Handwritten, as in a certificate of divorce?
 
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Handwritten, as in a certificate of divorce?
The handwritten requirement was a covenant, or an agreement, Failure to fulfill your side of the agreement (in this case, to confirm and obey EVERY WORD) would bring about the punishment for not living up to your end of the agreement,

according to scripture. Failure to live up to your end would be one sin, no matter how small that sin may be, the penalty was to be cursed. Jesus took that curse for us, by hanging on the cross.

A marriage proposal does not have requirements, it has pledges. One pledge (according to God) is that you are married forever no matter what (He did not support divorce, however, since men was going to do it anyway, He gave them permission but only in certain cases, and non allowed anyone to be married to another. That would be sin.
 
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Handwritten, as in a certificate of divorce?
Hebrews 13Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)

13 Let brotherly friendship continue; 2 but don’t forget to be friendly to outsiders; for in so doing, some people, without knowing it, have entertained angels. 3 Remember those in prison and being mistreated, as if you were in prison with them and undergoing their torture yourselves.
4 Marriage is honorable in every respect; and, in particular, marriage is pure. But God will indeed punish fornicators and adulterers.
5 Keep your lives free from the love of money; and be satisfied with what you have; for God himself has said, “I will never fail you or abandon you.”[a]6 Therefore, we say with confidence,
Adonai is my helper; I will not be afraid —
what can a human being do to me?”


7 Remember your leaders, those who spoke God’s message to you. Reflect on the results of their way of life, and imitate their trust — 8 Yeshua the Messiah is the same yesterday, today and forever.
9 Do not be carried away by various strange teachings; for what is good is for the heart to be strengthened by grace, not by foods. People who have made these the focus of their lives have not benefited thereby.
10 We have an altar from which those who serve in the Tent are not permitted to eat. 11 For the cohen hagadol brings the blood of animals into the Holiest Place as a sin offering, but their bodies are burned outside the camp.[c]12 So too Yeshua suffered death outside the gate, in order to make the people holy through his own blood. 13 Therefore, let us go out to him who is outside the camp and share his disgrace. 14 For we have no permanent city here; on the contrary, we seek the one to come. 15 Through him, therefore, let us offer God a sacrifice of praisecontinually.[d] For this is the natural product of lips that acknowledge his name.
16 But don’t forget doing good and sharing with others, for with such sacrifices God is well pleased.
 
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Perhaps God does not put His seal on the manner in which you claim it is observed. I never heard that one, and I lived in Israel six months.

Reread Esther, I think you will find she is to be remembered, not by a lw, but out of common decency.

Roger, you are going to be just fine, I believe, amen.

I ask because I was unaware that Purim is a celebration where Jews are commanded to become intoxicated to the point where they cannot distinguish between evil Hamman and good Mordecai.

A celebration that God did not command but Mordecai.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

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Perhaps God does not put His seal on the manner in which you claim it is observed. I never heard that one, and I lived in Israel six months.

Reread Esther, I think you will find she is to be remembered, not by a lw, but out of common decency.
God is never mentioned in Esther.

Esther 9:20-32 is the passage for those who desire to read it.

Purim is celebrated among Jews like Mardi Gras among Catholics. Costumes and all.

For the cause of Christ
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My belief is simple, the Book of Esther is to remember the salvation of the Hebrews for the generations to come who were to receive the blessing of Abraham, that is to say, the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

No this is not the OP, so bye for now.
 
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God is never mentioned in Esther.

Esther 9:20-32 is the passage for those who desire to read it.

Purim is celebrated among Jews like Mardi Gras among Catholics. Costumes and all.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
Ten Judahs, that conspire to commit murder?


[FONT=&quot]“If it pleases the king, let the Jews in Shushan act again tomorrow in accordance with today’s decree; also have Haman’s ten sons hanged on the gallows.” [/FONT]
 

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My belief is simple, the Book of Esther is to remember the salvation of the Hebrews for the generations to come who were to receive the blessing of Abraham, that is to say, the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

No this is not the OP, so bye for now.
It was a more thought out question than I first took it for.. like you say off topic.. so let us not go there.
 
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Ten Judahs, that conspire to commit murder?


“If it pleases the king, let the Jews in Shushan act again tomorrow in accordance with today’s decree; also have Haman’s ten sons hanged on the gallows.
Due Discretion

Therefore my judgment is that we trouble not those from among the Gentiles who are turned to God,
20 but that we write unto them that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
21 For Moses from olden times hath in every city those who preach him, he being read in the synagogues every Sabbath day.”
 

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Due Discretion

Therefore my judgment is that we trouble not those from among the Gentiles who are turned to God,
20 but that we write unto them that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
21 For Moses from olden times hath in every city those who preach him, he being read in the synagogues every Sabbath day.”

Do you read the above as dietry advice for the Believer?