The problem with calling Jesus “Messiah” instead of “the Lord Jesus Christ”

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Re: The problem with calling Jesus “Messiah” instead of “the Lord Jesus Christ”

Waggles, now you know I think you're a nice guy and all... but I have to ask you a question here.



If you're praying in tongues, which is an unknown language...

how exactly do you know what you're saying?
You don't, unless you pray to interpret. That's what The Book says.
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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#82
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I don't think EVERYONE HAS to do it but I'm not giving up my gift from The Spirit of God because some of my brothers don't like it. The Holy Spirit does give interpretation sometimes.
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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#83
Re: The problem with calling Jesus “Messiah” instead of “the Lord Jesus Christ”

Waggles, now you know I think you're a nice guy and all... but I have to ask you a question here.



If you're praying in tongues, which is an unknown language...

how exactly do you know what you're saying?
The devil doesn't know either. I like that.
 

breno785au

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#84
Re: The problem with calling Jesus “Messiah” instead of “the Lord Jesus Christ”

Waggles, now you know I think you're a nice guy and all... but I have to ask you a question here.



If you're praying in tongues, which is an unknown language...

how exactly do you know what you're saying?
I find when I pray in tongues when I don't know what to pray, what to pray swells up in my spirit and I speak it out.
 

Adstar

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#85
Re: The problem with calling Jesus “Messiah” instead of “the Lord Jesus Christ”

The issue is not the meaning of Messiah, but that Messiah is now LORD after His resurrection. Big difference. After Christ conquered death, Hades, Hell, and Satan, He rose from the dead of His own volition. Only God as Savior could do that. And that is why Thomas rightly discerned "My Lord and my God" after seeing the Risen Christ in person. So to omit "Lord" and speak only of Messiah after His resurrection is to deny what He accomplished through His death, burial and resurrection. Messiah was reject as Messiah, so no one has the right to go back and call Jesus only Messiah after Peter -- speaking in the power of the Holy Spirit -- said that God had made this same Jesus BOTH Lord and Christ.
You even quoted scripture that declares Jesus to be Both God and Messiah...

36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

Christ is just Greek for Messiah... So Jesus Christ means Jesus Messiah or Jesus the Anointed...
 

Silverwings

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#86
Re: The problem with calling Jesus “Messiah” instead of “the Lord Jesus Christ”

Oh no not this again...Show me where any scripture instructs us to pray without knowledge. Somebody needs to read Proverbs and learn what God wants His children to do with the gifts He has given them.

Solomon teaches that we are to seek knowledge from which we attain understanding and then we progress to wisdom. The Apostle Paul having been a devout Jew would never espouse dispensing with knowledge as a means to attaining edification or wisdom.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
Pauls take on tongues

Study Bible
Prophecy and Tongues
…17You may be giving thanks well enough, but the other one is not edified. 18I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you. 19But in the church, I would rather speak five coherent words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue.…
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1 Corinthians 14:2
For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men, but to God. Indeed, no one understands him; he utters mysteries in the Spirit.

1 Corinthians 14:4
The one who speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but the one who prophesies edifies the church.

1 Corinthians 14:5
I wish that all of you could speak in tongues, but I would rather have you prophesy. He who prophesies is greater than one who speaks in tongues, unless he interprets, so that the church may be edified.

1 Corinthians 14:17
You may be giving thanks well enough, but the other one is not edified.

1 Corinthians 14:19
But in the church, I would rather speak five coherent words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue.
 

Nehemiah6

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#87
Re: The problem with calling Jesus “Messiah” instead of “the Lord Jesus Christ”

You even quoted scripture that declares Jesus to be Both God and Messiah...
Could you kindly re-read what I posted and see that the issue is about calling the Messiah (Christ) LORD following His resurrection. And He is no longer Messiah to Israel. He is now the Savior of the world, the King of kings and the Lord of Lord, but to Christians He is "the Lord Jesus Christ". Please note once again what Paul said in Acts 16:29-31.

Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas, And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

The reason for this particular wording is found in Acts 2 and Romans 10.
 

davida

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Re: The problem with calling Jesus “Messiah” instead of “the Lord Jesus Christ”

He is faithfu. He will keep His covenants.
He is and always will be Messiah, unchanging.
Jesus will rule from the throne of David on the earth just like the Bible says.
 

stonesoffire

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#89
Re: The problem with calling Jesus “Messiah” instead of “the Lord Jesus Christ”

I think Nehemiah has a point. Jesus hasn't yet been Messiah to Israel if this interpretation of future happenings is true. But, He is both Lord and Christ as the scripture has declared!

However, it's not something to debate really. He is future Messiah for what they expected was a King to rule for them. He will rule over all. Soon.
 

posthuman

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#90
Re: The problem with calling Jesus “Messiah” instead of “the Lord Jesus Christ”


There are two distinct groups of people calling themselves 'Messianic'.

1) Jewish people who have come to faith definitely acknowledge acknowledge Jesus as
“ADONAI Yeshua haMashiach” .

2) The 'Hebrew Roots' movement, which is mostly gentiles who want to put themselves and others back under law and try to earn their salvation. They appear, from my perspective, to put torah above the gospel in order of significance.
They seem to be playing at being Jews without understanding.
some of them actually say the Law is the gospel. :(
 

Nehemiah6

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#91
Re: The problem with calling Jesus “Messiah” instead of “the Lord Jesus Christ”

He is faithfu. He will keep His covenants.
He is and always will be Messiah, unchanging.
Jesus will rule from the throne of David on the earth just like the Bible says.
None of this addresses the point being discussed.
 

davida

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#92
Re: The problem with calling Jesus “Messiah” instead of “the Lord Jesus Christ”

Yes,sir it does. You imply it is disrespectful (at best) to refer to Jesus as Messiah. It is not.
 
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OtherWay210

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Re: The problem with calling Jesus “Messiah” instead of “the Lord Jesus Christ”

Messiah is the Greek transliteration of the Hebrew Mashiah, same meaning as Anointed


John 1:41 He first findeth his own brother Simon, and saith unto him, We have found the Messias, which is, being interpreted, the Christ.

John 4:25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.
26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.

Christ also means means to anoint . Christ is the Greek translation of the Hebrew Mashiah.
So in the Gospels, Christ should always be translated Messiah


 

stonesoffire

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#94
Re: The problem with calling Jesus “Messiah” instead of “the Lord Jesus Christ”

Messiah is the Greek transliteration of the Hebrew Mashiah, same meaning as Anointed


John 1:41 He first findeth his own brother Simon, and saith unto him, We have found the Messias, which is, being interpreted, the Christ.

John 4:25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.
26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.

Christ also means means to anoint . Christ is the Greek translation of the Hebrew Mashiah.
So in the Gospels, Christ should always be translated Messiah


It is Yeshua Messiah in The Complete Jewish Bible
 
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Re: The problem with calling Jesus “Messiah” instead of “the Lord Jesus Christ”

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Jesus Iesous ( Greek transliteration ) is the same as the Hebrew Jehoshua,
or Joshua
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Of Hebrew origin [H3091]; Jesus (that is, Jehoshua), the name of our Lord and two (three) other Israelites: - Jesus.
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[SIZE=+1] In the Gospels it means "Jesus the Messiah". In the Epistles it means Jesus Who humbled Himself but is now exalted and glorified as Christ. Care should be taken to note the various readings.

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[SIZE=+1] This is the Hebrew Mashiah J[/SIZE][SUP]e[/SUP][SIZE=+1]hovah = Yehovah's Anointed, as in [/SIZE]1[SIZE=+1]Samuel 24:[/SIZE]6[SIZE=+1].
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Grandpa

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#96
Re: The problem with calling Jesus “Messiah” instead of “the Lord Jesus Christ”

In Judaism, the Messiah is not considered to be God or the pre-existent Son of God.

That would be the problem. Not that the Lord Jesus Christ is not the Messiah, which is King.

The problem is that Judaism has missed Him. The Lord Jesus Christ is already King and they are still waiting for Him to become King.

Along with the problem of not recognizing Him as God come in the flesh.


 

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#97
Re: The problem with calling Jesus “Messiah” instead of “the Lord Jesus Christ”

In Judaism, the Messiah is not considered to be God or the pre-existent Son of God.

That would be the problem. Not that the Lord Jesus Christ is not the Messiah, which is King.

The problem is that Judaism has missed Him. The Lord Jesus Christ is already King and they are still waiting for Him to become King.

Along with the problem of not recognizing Him as God come in the flesh.


in Judaisim they say Yahshua/Jesus is a false prophet.

Judaisim is not even based in the "old testament" but in the talmud.
 

JaumeJ

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#98
Re: The problem with calling Jesus “Messiah” instead of “the Lord Jesus Christ”

We are fellow heirs now with Israel, making us the true Issrael with all who believe.

Our anointed Savior is sent by Yahweh, ergo He is Messiah which means anointed (chosen or sent) of Yah(weh.)

It hurts many to the quick to admit our Savior was a Jew of Israel, and we are now also Praisers of Yah (Jews) by adoption.

It seems tat many have decided Israel is actually Greece, and Jesus, Yeshua, did not speak Hebrew in the Temple when teaching and later when reading our of Isaiah, Yeshiyau.

You who speak Greek only and put Yeshua in the same manner do not seem to have a grip on just how Yeshua would have offended all the priesthood by speaking Yahweh's Word (Himself) in Greek. Why not Aramaic or Mitsrite, or some other language of the area?

There is no harm in using Greek in stuidy of the Word as long as it does not make people Gentiles again. Remember you are of Yeshua, Jesus......... This is not up for argument like using the word Messiah is.
 

Prov910

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#99
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Christ. Lord. Master. Son of God. Son of Man. Son of David. Lamb of God. Jesus.

Does it matter what we call Him? I mean, omniscience. He knows what we mean. Right?
 

JaumeJ

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Re: The problem with calling Jesus “Messiah” instead of “the Lord Jesus Christ”

In reference to our Master referring to Himself as the "Son of Man," it most likely would have read something like "Ani ben adam," which does mean "I am the Son of Man," but it means much more. Unhappily people, when delving into certain aspects of the Word and what it is saying, have a tendency to stop at the first layer of discovery and jump to conclusions. We have all done this, but we learn with time to not do it.

Adam means earth, red earth to be exact. Blood is derived from the same root as is dust, and it is certain there is more to our Master's reerence thant many understand.