WHY DOESN'T GOD HEAL EVERYONE?

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louis

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Louis, I've already said it but I really DO understand what you are saying. But there's a lot of balls to juggle. Drop any one of them and it gets lopsided. Yes, Paul was single-minded and he could heal. Don't forget though, he prayed about his own thorn and didn't get that same healing. So as long as you don't drop that ball and come away with an adamant statement that not being healed is always the result of double mindedness, I'm following you here.

I have just fairly recently finally got to that place where I know if I have a little, its God and if I have more than a little, its God. And still have to catch myself sometimes, finding a brief burst of worry and having to consciously reject it, usually by repeating all the verses.
The thorn in Pauls side was an opponent to contend all the illumination Paul was being given from the Holy Spirit in order to keep Paul from getting full of himself with pride.

2 Corinthians 12:7 [FONT=&quot]And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the [/FONT][FONT=&quot]messenger [/FONT][FONT=&quot]of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.[/FONT]
 
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1 Timothy 5:23
Stop drinking only water, and use a little wine because of your stomach and your frequent illnesses.
 

louis

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I think what Louis is trying to say is that these things and even greater things INFLUXES healing, miracles, etc.
I only wish to affirm what the Lord in John 14:12 states, which are the miracles He did, and even greater miracles, will follow those who believe in Him.
 

louis

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why do you assume everyone is double minded or have little faith?
For one, the Lord even called His disciples, ye of little faith. For another thing, as those who believe in Christ will perform the miracles the Lord did, and even greater miracles, and so far for the last couple of millennia there have been few who have done any of these miracles; one can then logically assess that the vast majority of Christians today do not have great faith in Christ.
 
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or it could be nighttime......


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1As he passed by, he saw a man blind from birth. 2And his disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?” 3Jesus answered, “It was not that this man sinned, or his parents, but that the works of God might be displayed in him. 4We must work the works of him who sent me while it is day; night is coming, when no one can work.


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Stunnedbygrace

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Have two minutes before mom starts to look at me sideways!

That's an interesting thought Ariel...
I always thought He was referring to His death and the span of time they would wait for the Holy Spirit...
But if I'm following your thought correctly, it became day again when they went out preaching the gospel and performing miracles...

Do you have any other verses for this thought of it being nighttime?
 

louis

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or it could be nighttime......


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1As he passed by, he saw a man blind from birth. 2And his disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?” 3Jesus answered, “It was not that this man sinned, or his parents, but that the works of God might be displayed in him. 4We must work the works of him who sent me while it is day; night is coming, when no one can work.


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Yes, I agree, it is, and has been nightime for the last couple of millennia.
 

Stunnedbygrace

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Ah...we aren't talking about 7's topic, which she asked us not to do...sorry 7! We will start a thread and talk there. I'll call it...You Have a Little Strength, okay guys? :)
 

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Jesus even had to wait for the right season to start His ministry: John 7:8,9: "Go ye up unto this feast: I go not up yet unto this feast; for my time is not yet full come. When he had said these words unto them, he abode still in Galilee." That was His coming of Elijah time (a spiritual faith movement).

It could be that God does not want too many miracles to Precede the last coming of Elijah. It will happen during our lifetime. The Pentecostal Movement was about 1900, and many have been healed since then. I believe in divine healing. I have received divine healing.

Well folks, God uses medicine like He uses everything else. I recently went through 2 knee replacement surgeries, after waiting for God to miraculously replace them for years. I had to finally conclude God was going to do it differently than I had mapped out. I did everything the medical doctors told me to do: and they marveled how well I healed and came through physical therapy.

I believe we will see more healings as this Elijah movement picks up. I want to be part of it. I am an elder, and I pray over sick folks anointing them with oil. I will continue to do so. :cool:
 
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7seasrekeyed

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Ah...we aren't talking about 7's topic, which she asked us not to do...sorry 7! We will start a thread and talk there. I'll call it...You Have a Little Strength, okay guys? :)

what bugs me, is someone taking over a thread with a personal interpretation and going on about it for the last 10 pages or so

and posting in giant letters so we do not miss his personal teaching that he believes is the be all and end all of everyone's problem

ignores all facts, takes verses out of context and makes his own doctrine

that

is what bugs me
 
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7seasrekeyed

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I have to say that this does perplex me.
Every time I think of the above verses I ask "Why are we not seeing these miracles now?

I am not a cessationalist.

I have prayed many times for people and healing.
I have even prayed for two people to be raised from the dead.
I have held the hand of the corpse and prayed for them to wake up.
My dear friend Ray who died at the age of 40 from a rare brain tumor.
I got a call 15 minutes after he died. I went to see him in his hospital bed that he was on in his house.
I held his hand and prayed earnestly under my breath as others were around.
After about half an hour someone pulled me aside (fellow Christian) and told me I was being disrespectful to his wife.
His wife was upstairs trying to compose herself as there were a lot of people in the house.
So I was urged to stop before she came back down.
So I left.
2 hours later she called me and it was apparent to her that I left because I was disrespectful to her.
She asked if I would come back I pray again.
I couldn't because I was devestaed, not only by his death but also because of what I was being accused of.

I did go again in the funeral parlor, anoint with oil and prayed for him to be bought back.
I even said what Jesus said to Lazarus.
I had genuine faith for it. Let's be honest why would you do that if you didn't?

So yes I want to see the miracles today that Jesus did and said we would do.
It pains me why we do not see it.

personally I have never prayed for the dead to rise but have prayed for the alive not to die...died

that must have been very hurtful for you to be so misunderstood...da**ed if you do and da**ed if you don't

I am sitting here...pretty late and I'm thinking...why are we looking at or trying to pattern ourselves by what the disciples did?
but I can understand why cause years ago I thought the same and it is not unusual to think that

but the church or believers back then had just as many problems...it was not at all perfect and it was not heaven on earth

I have seen things I know God did...real things...and also some things that were not God but still supernatural

I am honestly wondering about the miracles...not for the first time...why then don't we see them?

and no, double mindedness is not what comes to mind
 
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7seasrekeyed

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some posts I really want to get back to but leaving off for the night

I think it's good to ask the hard questions and not gloss things over
 
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Only if you place total faith in the Lord, and none in Mammon; in which case you should then be able to heal the sick, and do many other miracles.
Nah, sorry. You've got a lot of flighty opinions on what the Bible says. I absolute know there are no commands or promises made to be travailing women.

You keep caging yourself up to make sure you can't do anything at all, even for the Lord. I'm just going to enjoy the freedom in the Lord. Cage up enough from the disability.
 
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Miri

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I have to say that this does perplex me.
Every time I think of the above verses I ask "Why are we not seeing these miracles now?

I am not a cessationalist.

I have prayed many times for people and healing.
I have even prayed for two people to be raised from the dead.
I have held the hand of the corpse and prayed for them to wake up.
My dear friend Ray who died at the age of 40 from a rare brain tumor.
I got a call 15 minutes after he died. I went to see him in his hospital bed that he was on in his house.
I held his hand and prayed earnestly under my breath as others were around.
After about half an hour someone pulled me aside (fellow Christian) and told me I was being disrespectful to his wife.
His wife was upstairs trying to compose herself as there were a lot of people in the house.
So I was urged to stop before she came back down.
So I left.
2 hours later she called me and it was apparent to her that I left because I was disrespectful to her.
She asked if I would come back I pray again.
I couldn't because I was devestaed, not only by his death but also because of what I was being accused of.

I did go again in the funeral parlor, anoint with oil and prayed for him to be bought back.
I even said what Jesus said to Lazarus.
I had genuine faith for it. Let's be honest why would you do that if you didn't?

So yes I want to see the miracles today that Jesus did and said we would do.
It pains me why we do not see it.

Aw man so sorry. I’ve been desperate many times, I’ve wondered too.
I believe in miracles and healings but I now think they happen for a reason
and also that they don’t happen for a reason and that reason isn’t our lack of faith.

Honestly I believe God has His reasons in both.

I have recently lost a dear friend who battled overian cancer for 5 years. She is 59.
Both her and her husband were born again Christians. Both were faithful servants and
have spent their lives doing great things for Him.

She He was the secretary of a Christian charity dedicated to bringing the gospel to others.
Her husband has been involved in prison ministry for a large part of his life. He now needs
carers due to being wheel chair bound and is still witnessing to the carers.

Of all the people to both be struck by cancer and for her to now die, you would ask why Lord,
why them. They have done nothing wrong served faithfully.

I spoke to the husband yesterday about the funeral attangements, it’s going to be big
with 200-300 people minimum. Everyone one has been writing saying how much the
wife touched their lives. It’s going to be a funeral which testifies to the goodness of
God. Her unsaved family are flying in from Italy and people are praying they will come to
know the Lord through the testimony of her life, also that unsaved friends will come to
know God.

Its going to be a funeral which speaks about the salvation of the Lord.

The husband said he feels like this current life is the real death, that his wife has been born
into new life the real life eternal with God, they are separated for a time but one day they
will see each other again. For the moment he said he feels the pain of separation but he knows
she is free from tears pain etc rejoicing in true life.

He is so right, we think as death as the end, as that’s it. But it’s just the beginning of real
life.

We are to be of this world but not of it, we are destined for better things. My friend
has been completely healed no more pain, death, sorrow, tears, the former things have passed
new life has begun.

There are many ways to be healed, death for the born again Christian is one of them.

The pain of seperation and bereavement is real, we fear it and we have to carry on without
the loved one. But for us there is also hope and another future spent in eternity with the Lord.
 

louis

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Jesus even had to wait for the right season to start His ministry: John 7:8,9: "Go ye up unto this feast: I go not up yet unto this feast; for my time is not yet full come. When he had said these words unto them, he abode still in Galilee." That was His coming of Elijah time (a spiritual faith movement).

It could be that God does not want too many miracles to Precede the last coming of Elijah. It will happen during our lifetime. The Pentecostal Movement was about 1900, and many have been healed since then. I believe in divine healing. I have received divine healing.

Well folks, God uses medicine like He uses everything else. I recently went through 2 knee replacement surgeries, after waiting for God to miraculously replace them for years. I had to finally conclude God was going to do it differently than I had mapped out. I did everything the medical doctors told me to do: and they marveled how well I healed and came through physical therapy.

I believe we will see more healings as this Elijah movement picks up. I want to be part of it. I am an elder, and I pray over sick folks anointing them with oil. I will continue to do so. :cool:
I also pretty much see it that way, where the right time accompanied with end time events have to come into play before we start seeing Christians with the same faith, and healing and miracle producing abilities as had many Christians in the first century AD. Many scriptures speak to this effect.

Daniel 11:32 [FONT=&quot]And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.[/FONT]
 
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7seasrekeyed

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Jesus even had to wait for the right season to start His ministry: John 7:8,9: "Go ye up unto this feast: I go not up yet unto this feast; for my time is not yet full come. When he had said these words unto them, he abode still in Galilee." That was His coming of Elijah time (a spiritual faith movement).

It could be that God does not want too many miracles to Precede the last coming of Elijah. It will happen during our lifetime. The Pentecostal Movement was about 1900, and many have been healed since then. I believe in divine healing. I have received divine healing.

Well folks, God uses medicine like He uses everything else. I recently went through 2 knee replacement surgeries, after waiting for God to miraculously replace them for years. I had to finally conclude God was going to do it differently than I had mapped out. I did everything the medical doctors told me to do: and they marveled how well I healed and came through physical therapy.

I believe we will see more healings as this Elijah movement picks up. I want to be part of it. I am an elder, and I pray over sick folks anointing them with oil. I will continue to do so. :cool:

well that's another consideration when asking about universal healing I guess

my own thoughts on the miracles are the motives and people wanting 'special' ministries...here in North America...people seem to flock to these 'revivals' and eat up the stories of gold dust...gold fillings..angel feathers and all the rest of the accouterments of certain movements

Hinn, supposedly someone who has a 'healing ministry', is filthy rich and people are not certified healed by a doctor ... disappointment is a regular feature in those meetings yet people still run after him. that seems to be a picture of why God might not heal...it's a 3 ring circus

I don't know what you mean by 'Elijah' movement and I don't know what we will see in 'our' lifetime...and I won't go around saying I do...so I can't agree on that...but I agree about God using medicine/doctors. God absolutely will do things differently then we might think He will....I read about your knees earlier and how you say that you are independent now.

That, IMO, is certainly a reason to thank God and praise Him for your healing. I think it is wrong...very wrong...to say God would never or He will never.

It was Angela some pages back that wrote about the family that was saved because God healed one of the family members...God is merciful but He is not at our whim for us to command Him

there is that verse that says 'command ye me the work of my hands'....OT...if someone thinks of that, but I don't believe any reference to healing
 

louis

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Nah, sorry. You've got a lot of flighty opinions on what the Bible says. I absolute know there are no commands or promises made to be travailing women.

You keep caging yourself up to make sure you can't do anything at all, even for the Lord. I'm just going to enjoy the freedom in the Lord. Cage up enough from the disability.
This is somewhat off topic, and rather complicated, but since you brought up the travailing woman; I then need to explain and support with scriptures what this is all about.
The travailing woman in Revelation 12, is the same travailing woman in Micah 5, and are the current double minded saints, whom the little horn (aka the antichrist) will wear out for a (1 ) time, (2) times, and (1/2) dividing of time (Daniel 7:25). Some 75 days following the time, times, and half a time (Revelation 12:14), which are 1,260 days according to Revelation 12:6, the Lord then pours out a blessing on the remnant surviving saints on day 1335 (Daniel 12:12), resulting in the travailing woman becoming singularly minded saints (the man child in Revelation 12:5).
After the blessing is bestowed upon the saints, they are awarded the kingdom (Daniel 7:27), and posses the same healing and other miraculous powers the Lord, his apostles and his disciples had (Micah 5:7-8; 7:16)

Daniel 7:25 [FONT=&quot]And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

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27 [FONT=&quot]And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

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[FONT=&quot]Daniel 12:[/FONT]12 [FONT=&quot]Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]

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Micah 5:7 [FONT=&quot]And the remnant of Jacob shall be in the midst of many people as a dew from the [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Lord[/FONT][FONT=&quot], as the showers upon the grass, that tarrieth not for man, nor waiteth for the sons of men.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]8 And the remnant of Jacob shall be among the Gentiles in the midst of many people as a lion among the beasts of the forest, as a young lion among the flocks of sheep: who, if he go through, both treadeth down, and teareth in pieces, and none can deliver.

Micah 7:16 The nations shall see and be confounded at all their might: they shall lay their hand upon their mouth, their ears shall be deaf.
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