The Apostles of Jesus Christ.

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
zone

zone

Senior Member
#61
Jun 13, 2010
27,214
164
63
#61
Scotth1960 said:
i'm not of Calvin:
Dear zone, Do you claim to be of the Reformed faith? If so, you should know where your own faith comes from. It comes from John Calvin, John Knox, and the other Calvinist Reformers. It is completely dishonest to disavow the true origin of the Reformed faith, and to look for Scriptural justification for it.
Click to expand...
see that's where you got your wires crossed scotty.
i saw what they saw FIRST.

then i found out about them.

then i found out about Rome and you guys.

Scotth1960 said:
It comes from Calvin's interpretation of Scripture, not from Scripture as it is read in the early Church. We should know the difference between NT teaching as it is believed in the first 451 years of Church history to the ecumenical council of Chalcedon, and NT viewed mainly through Augustine and Calvin. Not every one agrees with Augustinianism. Reformed Faith is a form of Augustinianism. You can not in all honest say the Reformed Faith doesn't come from John Calvin. Get your historical facts correct, you will learn where the Reformed teachings come from. God bless you. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington June 2011 AD.
Click to expand...
i don't care what OC says about the Reformed Faith.
i read the Bible first, by myself...then i started learning the rest....i choose Reformed.

you know what i believe.

Scotth1960 said:
Dear zone,
Not a result of works of the law, Judaism: circumcision, dietary laws, ceremonial laws, sabbath keeping. Not with any works whatsoever. That would be reading the word "any" into Scripture. It does not say "not a result of any works". That's the error of sola fide, when Luther added the word "alone" to Romans 3:28 to make St. Paul contradict St. James 2:24. Take care. God bless you. In Erie Scott
Click to expand...

OH!
ok....so fill in the blank according to OC Tradition then please:

Scott 2
For by grace you have been saved through faith and __________. And this is partly your own doing; it is partly the gift of God, it is partly a result of works, so that you may boast.
 
S

Scotth1960

Guest
#62
#62
zone said:
see that's where you got your wires crossed scotty.
i saw what they saw FIRST.

then i found out about them.

then i found out about Rome and you guys.



i don't care what OC says about the Reformed Faith.
i read the Bible first, by myself...then i started learning the rest....i choose Reformed.

you know what i believe.



I don't know what you believe about the origin of the Reformed doctrines, because you know Reformed Christianity comes first of all from John Calvin, and surely you wouldn't like what Calvin did to Servetus and other people whom Calvin had put to death. I don't care about the Reformed Faith, for it comes from John Calvin, and Calvin burned Servetus to death at the stake. Are you saying that the origin of the Reformed Faith is without the Roman Catholic Inquisition. Calvin continued the Augustinian tradition of persecution of heretics, and Thomas Aquinas tradition of persecution of heretics, which Roman Catholicism began. Thankfully, today, the Reformed Faith has reformed itself, and has not attempted to follow the bad example of John Calvin. It is strange why they would trust him to correctly exegete Scripture, when by his bad conduct toward Servetus, he shows himself false and without love toward enemies. Christ commanded love toward enemies, but John Calvin hated his enemies. I don't hate enemies. Everything good in the Reformed Faith is from the fragments of Eastern Orthodoxy that the Calvinists retain: they follow, begrudgingly, some of the teachings of the Orthodox Church Fathers. The ones they like. God bless you, zone; In Erie Scott H.




OH!
ok....so fill in the blank according to OC Tradition then please:

Scott 2
For by grace you have been saved through faith and __________. And this is partly your own doing; it is partly the gift of God, it is partly a result of works, so that you may boast.
Click to expand...
"For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love." Galatians 5:6
"And now abide faith, hope, love, these three: but the greatest of these is love". 1 Cor. 13:13
"But when the kindness and love of God our Savior toward man appeared, not by works of righteousness which we had done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit," Titus 3:4-5
"But someone will say, "You have faith, and I have works." Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe - and tremble. But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead? ... You see then taht a man is justified by works, and not by faith only. ... For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also." James 2:18-20, 24, 26
Scriptures from the NKJV OSB New King James Version Orthodox Study Bible.
We are saved by God's grace and mercy only, and not by works of righteousness which we have done (Titus). We are saved by faith which worketh by love, justified not by faith only but by (faith and) works, for faith without works is dead (Galatians, James).
God save us. Amen. In Erie PA USA Scott R. Harrington

 
zone

zone

Senior Member
#63
Jun 13, 2010
27,214
164
63
#63
Scotth1960 said:
"For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love." Galatians 5:6
"And now abide faith, hope, love, these three: but the greatest of these is love". 1 Cor. 13:13
"But when the kindness and love of God our Savior toward man appeared, not by works of righteousness which we had done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit," Titus 3:4-5
"But someone will say, "You have faith, and I have works." Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe - and tremble. But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead? ... You see then taht a man is justified by works, and not by faith only. ... For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also." James 2:18-20, 24, 26
Scriptures from the NKJV OSB New King James Version Orthodox Study Bible.
We are saved by God's grace and mercy only, and not by works of righteousness which we have done (Titus). We are saved by faith which worketh by love, justified not by faith only but by (faith and) works, for faith without works is dead (Galatians, James).
God save us. Amen. In Erie PA USA Scott R. Harrington
Click to expand...
i have asked you many times to define what those good works are.
what works of righteousness contribute to our salvation according to OC.

please link me to a source where their doctrine on acceptable works unto salvation are listed
 
S

Scotth1960

Guest
#64
#64
zone said:
i have asked you many times to define what those good works are.
what works of righteousness contribute to our salvation according to OC.
(Dear zone)
See James chapter 2.
please link me to a source where their doctrine on acceptable works unto salvation are listed
Click to expand...
Dear zone, All Christians believe in baptism and communion and the ten commandments and prayer (the Lord's Prayer). There is very little that is different between what non-Orthodox and Orthodox practice on this matter. But the way Christians define and use sacraments differs. And some non-Orthodox believe icons are idols. As for sacraments, Protestants have only 2, Orthodox 7. How does the Reformed Faith define what those good works are?
See Home :: Orthodox Christian Information Center
 
zone

zone

Senior Member
#65
Jun 13, 2010
27,214
164
63
#65
Scotth1960 said:
Dear zone, All Christians believe in baptism and communion and the ten commandments and prayer (the Lord's Prayer). There is very little that is different between what non-Orthodox and Orthodox practice on this matter. But the way Christians define and use sacraments differs. And some non-Orthodox believe icons are idols. As for sacraments, Protestants have only 2, Orthodox 7. How does the Reformed Faith define what those good works are?
See Home :: Orthodox Christian Information Center
Click to expand...
Reformed do not believe we are saved by our works (anything we "do").
most reformed are monergists.
 
S

Scotth1960

Guest
#66
#66
[quote=zone;474132]Reformed do not believe we are saved by our works (anything we "do").
most reformed are monergists.[/quote]
Dear zone.
So, then, according to Reformed theology, James 2:24 is heretical and should not be in the NT?
I don't understand how the Reformed can dare to say this? God bless you./ In Erie, Scott H. PS The Orthodox are synergists. They believe Christians are God's "co-workers". See Strong's exhaustive concordance to the KJV, and in a Greek dictionary look up sunergoi.

 
You must log in or register to reply here.