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You need to learn what grace is.
This is a major problem in the Body of christ. People believing their pastor over scripture
very true
This is exactly what God wants to expose as false. The teaching that we are bond by sin, and bond to sin even after we have been saved is a very dangerous false teaching corrupting churches all over America. If you are bong by sin then you are not free, and if you are not free you are not saved
John 8
34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
When people say that we are not to make sin a habit, but yet everyone sins, and will not be completely freed from sin until the resurrection. They do not truly believe (have faith in the fact) that the Son can make us free indeed.
This is a major problem in the Body of christ. People believing their pastor over scripture
very true
This is exactly what God wants to expose as false. The teaching that we are bond by sin, and bond to sin even after we have been saved is a very dangerous false teaching corrupting churches all over America. If you are bong by sin then you are not free, and if you are not free you are not saved
John 8
34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
When people say that we are not to make sin a habit, but yet everyone sins, and will not be completely freed from sin until the resurrection. They do not truly believe (have faith in the fact) that the Son can make us free indeed.
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SAINTS ARE NOT SINNERS.
I think that is the point and it is true.
If you consider yourself a SINNER...you are making JESUS a liar, and follwoing MANS words that apease you.
IF. IF .IF You you Sin(stumble...but even peter said that you CAN not stumble....) you have an advocate wit hthe FATHER who is in Christ Jesus. But DONT SIN.
SIN is anger, selfrightoeusness, depression, sarcasm(somthign i need to still work on in my private life) Worry,...etc...Even NOT knowing the blessign in Christ that we have, is a sin.
Now WE have been programmed to SIN, and not bat an eye. Run around like a crazy person the minute we get the sniffles. But SIn!? DONT worry!! We have JESUS!
Oh...well...thats not really how we shoudl live. Bu we have been PROGRAMMED to do so. and then to justify all we do.
SAINTS are not Sinners. SInners are not Saints. JESUS came FOR SInners to SET THEM FREE FROM there sins. JESUS SAVED US from SIN and the wrath of GOD because of them.
Saints WIL stumble(though if we ADD certain thigns we will not stumble...a baby wont fall unless it gets ahead of himself and starts to run) But these thigns are never preached becasue it leads to LESS people in a congragation.
You wont have a large church if you tell peopel they need to be HOLY.
So lets just talk about tithing/doctrine/and prophesy
instead of Gospel/holyness/and obedeince
A CHRISTIAN a FOLLOWER and obedient SLAVE of GOD, does not SIN. He who SINS is of the DEVIL. NOw... we will stumble becasue we live in the FLESH. BUT stumbling is NOT SInning.
We need to stop sayign we are sinners. and STOP calling Follwoers of CHRIST sinners. We arent and are not supposed to be. we were set FREE from SIN.
IF IF IF IF we are led by the spirit.
But if you be led of the Spirit, you are not under the law." Galatians 5:18
The LAW is the Curse. The Wrath of GOD, the JUDGEMENT (thats why i am stupified by WHY someone would want to go AWAY from grace and start following Mosaic Covenant)
But GRACE is the SPIRIT OF CHRIST being formed in you, jesus formed IN YOU adn then livien perfect IN YOU. And then YOU rest in HIM, adn are led by HIS spirit. and HE lives perfectly Though and IN you. And THAT is how you DONT give into the FLESH(nature of Satan) You are led by the SPIRIT(nature of Christ)
Jesus Got us to the ORIGINAL COVENANT.
Two Trees.
Tree of Life. (beign led by the spirit adn obeying JESUS...Relying on GOD for ALL in faith)
Tree of Knowledge of GOOD and EVIL (Being led by FLesh, Picking what YOU think is Good or Evil. NOT relyign on GOD, but a form of GOD)
ALways has been two trees, but NOW itS JESUS in you doing it. and JESUS in you will NOT Sin. So Listen adn obey JESUS IN YOU. Follow JESUS IN YOU. Be LED by JESUS IN YOU.
A FOllower of Jesus Is NOT a sinner. A Sinner, is not a follower of Jesus.
IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF you stumble YOu have JEsus to forgive you, adn you dont have to set a cow on fire anymore. But YOU CAN NOT SIN
"You have not yet resisted to the point of shedding blood in your striving against sin;" Hebrews 12:4
Have you? I havent. Which means that Christ is not fully formed in me. But God has been wakign me up to the fact that he NEEDS To be, in order to live a heavenly life HERE (im not talkign about gifts persay ...but still heavenly..)
Ya know un beleif is Sin. beliving God CANT do somthign is SIN.
Puttign GOD in a doctrinal BOX is Sin. becasue then YOU tell GOd what HE does.
SAINTS are not sinners. SO stop tellign yourself so. Jesus bless you.
I think that is the point and it is true.
If you consider yourself a SINNER...you are making JESUS a liar, and follwoing MANS words that apease you.
IF. IF .IF You you Sin(stumble...but even peter said that you CAN not stumble....) you have an advocate wit hthe FATHER who is in Christ Jesus. But DONT SIN.
SIN is anger, selfrightoeusness, depression, sarcasm(somthign i need to still work on in my private life) Worry,...etc...Even NOT knowing the blessign in Christ that we have, is a sin.
Now WE have been programmed to SIN, and not bat an eye. Run around like a crazy person the minute we get the sniffles. But SIn!? DONT worry!! We have JESUS!
Oh...well...thats not really how we shoudl live. Bu we have been PROGRAMMED to do so. and then to justify all we do.
SAINTS are not Sinners. SInners are not Saints. JESUS came FOR SInners to SET THEM FREE FROM there sins. JESUS SAVED US from SIN and the wrath of GOD because of them.
Saints WIL stumble(though if we ADD certain thigns we will not stumble...a baby wont fall unless it gets ahead of himself and starts to run) But these thigns are never preached becasue it leads to LESS people in a congragation.
You wont have a large church if you tell peopel they need to be HOLY.
So lets just talk about tithing/doctrine/and prophesy
instead of Gospel/holyness/and obedeince
A CHRISTIAN a FOLLOWER and obedient SLAVE of GOD, does not SIN. He who SINS is of the DEVIL. NOw... we will stumble becasue we live in the FLESH. BUT stumbling is NOT SInning.
We need to stop sayign we are sinners. and STOP calling Follwoers of CHRIST sinners. We arent and are not supposed to be. we were set FREE from SIN.
IF IF IF IF we are led by the spirit.
But if you be led of the Spirit, you are not under the law." Galatians 5:18
The LAW is the Curse. The Wrath of GOD, the JUDGEMENT (thats why i am stupified by WHY someone would want to go AWAY from grace and start following Mosaic Covenant)
But GRACE is the SPIRIT OF CHRIST being formed in you, jesus formed IN YOU adn then livien perfect IN YOU. And then YOU rest in HIM, adn are led by HIS spirit. and HE lives perfectly Though and IN you. And THAT is how you DONT give into the FLESH(nature of Satan) You are led by the SPIRIT(nature of Christ)
Jesus Got us to the ORIGINAL COVENANT.
Two Trees.
Tree of Life. (beign led by the spirit adn obeying JESUS...Relying on GOD for ALL in faith)
Tree of Knowledge of GOOD and EVIL (Being led by FLesh, Picking what YOU think is Good or Evil. NOT relyign on GOD, but a form of GOD)
ALways has been two trees, but NOW itS JESUS in you doing it. and JESUS in you will NOT Sin. So Listen adn obey JESUS IN YOU. Follow JESUS IN YOU. Be LED by JESUS IN YOU.
A FOllower of Jesus Is NOT a sinner. A Sinner, is not a follower of Jesus.
IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF you stumble YOu have JEsus to forgive you, adn you dont have to set a cow on fire anymore. But YOU CAN NOT SIN
"You have not yet resisted to the point of shedding blood in your striving against sin;" Hebrews 12:4
Have you? I havent. Which means that Christ is not fully formed in me. But God has been wakign me up to the fact that he NEEDS To be, in order to live a heavenly life HERE (im not talkign about gifts persay ...but still heavenly..)
Ya know un beleif is Sin. beliving God CANT do somthign is SIN.
Puttign GOD in a doctrinal BOX is Sin. becasue then YOU tell GOd what HE does.
SAINTS are not sinners. SO stop tellign yourself so. Jesus bless you.
R
Doing just fine in fact. Yup have fallen a couple of times, but the blood of Jesus purges me. This is the difference. Are you purged by his blood?
Now then, are you making excuses to continue in your sin? Maybe you have ignored the Holy Spirits conviction. If this is the case, I can do nothing about that.
May Jesus bless you.
Now then, are you making excuses to continue in your sin? Maybe you have ignored the Holy Spirits conviction. If this is the case, I can do nothing about that.
May Jesus bless you.
EXCUSES FOR SIN
''We are saved by grace, not by works''
''We live under grace not under the law''
''Where sin abounds grace does much more abound''
''There is no condemnation to those in Christ Jesus''
''Even Paul could not do the thing that he would, yet did the things he did not want to do''
"If you say you have no sin you make God a liar''
''All who believe will be saved''
''I am a sinner saved by grace''
None of these statements (except the last one) in themselves are incorrect, they are indeed biblical. But when twisted by Satan to justify sin, they become very dangerous.
''We are saved by grace, not by works''
''We live under grace not under the law''
''Where sin abounds grace does much more abound''
''There is no condemnation to those in Christ Jesus''
''Even Paul could not do the thing that he would, yet did the things he did not want to do''
"If you say you have no sin you make God a liar''
''All who believe will be saved''
''I am a sinner saved by grace''
None of these statements (except the last one) in themselves are incorrect, they are indeed biblical. But when twisted by Satan to justify sin, they become very dangerous.
God through His grace has taken our death, and has given us life. He has taken our sin, and made us righteous. He has exchanged our sinful flesh for Christ's sinlessness. He has raised us from the dead and seated us in Heaven with Christ. By His love He has made us new creations. Thank God for His amazing Grace
The term 'sinner' only means that we still sin. We are not perfect yet in our experience even though we are perfect positionally before the Father. We have to be positionally perfect before the Father or we would never be accepted by Him. Christ made us perfect when we believed because He became sin for us that we might become the righteousness of God IN HIM.
As a believer and 'saint' we still have a sick head, a deceitful heart and an old sin nature that resides in the members of our physical body. These were never taken from us when we believed and were saved and redeemed by the blood of Christ. This is why we have to guard our heart and hide the word in our heart that we might not sin against God. When David said that his sin was ever before him, he was saying that he was a sinner before God. Didn't Paul say that he was the chief of sinners that Christ came to save (1Tim 1:15)? When he was having a problem with sin in his life he said that it was not him but sin that dwelt in him (Rom 7:17,20).
It would of been great to have our sin nature eradicated when we were saved, but God left it with us so that we would have to depend upon Him and His mercy and grace. We have to settle the fact that we are still sinners until that sin nature is gone and that will not happen until we receive our new bodies. If we can get that straight, it will stop us from coming up with all these strange ideas about perfection.
As a believer and 'saint' we still have a sick head, a deceitful heart and an old sin nature that resides in the members of our physical body. These were never taken from us when we believed and were saved and redeemed by the blood of Christ. This is why we have to guard our heart and hide the word in our heart that we might not sin against God. When David said that his sin was ever before him, he was saying that he was a sinner before God. Didn't Paul say that he was the chief of sinners that Christ came to save (1Tim 1:15)? When he was having a problem with sin in his life he said that it was not him but sin that dwelt in him (Rom 7:17,20).
It would of been great to have our sin nature eradicated when we were saved, but God left it with us so that we would have to depend upon Him and His mercy and grace. We have to settle the fact that we are still sinners until that sin nature is gone and that will not happen until we receive our new bodies. If we can get that straight, it will stop us from coming up with all these strange ideas about perfection.
Yes I do. He is first in all things in my life 
oh God's standards are pretty low then.
one day if you get the jam i dare you to listen to that sermon.
then we'll talk.
maybe then you'll see why Christ had to come.
until then try to keep your glorified self away from new believers so they don't turn away in despair.
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Jesus Christ is my righteousness. He cleanses me and he does not condemn me of the sin I committed because when I did I boldly went to him and his grace covers me.
Call me what you will, but I cannot do enough to earn his grace, it is free. I don't have to work for his grace. But when I am under his grace I am no longer a sinner. The judgement is not against me, because I am covered, JUST AS IF I HAD NOT SINNED. Thus, no longer a sinner, legally. I was pardoned on the basis his blood was shed to cover my sins.
Now then, would I continue to sin that grace can abound? GOD FORBID!! If I have been cleansed from sin I should no longer walk in sin. And I should walk after the Spirit whereby I do not sin.
Maybe the question you should be asking is, ''WHAT IS GRACE?''
May Jesus bless you.
Call me what you will, but I cannot do enough to earn his grace, it is free. I don't have to work for his grace. But when I am under his grace I am no longer a sinner. The judgement is not against me, because I am covered, JUST AS IF I HAD NOT SINNED. Thus, no longer a sinner, legally. I was pardoned on the basis his blood was shed to cover my sins.
Now then, would I continue to sin that grace can abound? GOD FORBID!! If I have been cleansed from sin I should no longer walk in sin. And I should walk after the Spirit whereby I do not sin.
Maybe the question you should be asking is, ''WHAT IS GRACE?''
May Jesus bless you.
The next time you sin and get caught in that sin, are you going to deny it or confess it as sin? If you sin you have to call yourself a sinner and tell God that you have sinned. Your still a saint but when you sin, your a sinner because saints don't sin, RIGHT? The only time you can be a saint without being a sinner is when you get your new glorified body that has no sin nature in it. But as long as you are in this body of sin you have a sin nature and your are a sinner and you have need of the grace of God, NO EXCEPTIONS. That doesn't mean that you have to around always confessing that your a sinner. I would much rather hear you confess the grace and goodness of God.