Saved sinners???

[zone]

Exactly why i said that somebody needs to read Romans 6 with understanding

what about it Tobby?
what was the date on the calendar for you?
5 years ago?

does God judge sin on a curve?

where abouts are you on the bell curve?

 

[zone]

SIN is anger, selfrightoeusness, depression, sarcasm(somthign i need to still work on in my private life) Worry,...etc...Even NOT knowing the blessign in Christ that we have, is a sin.

so are you a sinner?

what's the difference between your private life and your public life?

 

[Ramon]

then who made YOU the sin police?
if He does that for you He does it for us.

start preaching the Gospel to CHRISTIANS RAMON.
if they heard the Gospel message every day they'd be encouraged to carry on.
it's this SIN COP grandstanding that sets people in despair.

Christians should not need to hear the gospel from me as the Holy Spirit teaches them the gospel. But if a person supposes himself to be a Christian LET HIM BE LIKE JESUS CHRIST!! If a person is in error, it is the Spirit who rebukes them, but if they ignore it they show it written in them that they CHOSE to ignore it. If you are not condemned then it does not apply to you what I say, as Christ is Lord and savior and the one who justifies.

So again, what do you promote? Righteousness or unrighteousness Let's be careful NOT to encourage on in sin. But to follow after righteousness. If one sins and they are truly a Christian they know where to go to repent. Not to me but to Jesus.

May Jesus bless you.

 

[zone]

Christians should not need to hear the gospel from me as the Holy Spirit teaches them the gospel. But if a person supposes himself to be a Christian LET HIM BE LIKE JESUS CHRIST!! If a person is in error, it is the Spirit who rebukes them, but if they ignore it they show it written in them that they CHOSE to ignore it. If you are not condemned then it does not apply to you what I say, as Christ is Lord and savior and the one who justifies.

So again, what do you promote? Righteousness or unrighteousness Let's be careful NOT to encourage on in sin. But to follow after righteousness. If one sins and they are truly a Christian they know where to go to repent. Not to me but to Jesus.

May Jesus bless you.

if you're not going to preach the Gospel: STOP PREACHING THE LAW.

 

[Ramon]

if you're not going to preach the Gospel: STOP PREACHING THE LAW.

Who preaches the law? The law is good if it is used lawfully. But it is Satan who took the law to make it look like condemnation, when it was really written for our edification. You know all liars, thieves and murderers and adulterers, and idolaters and all people who practice sin have their parts in hell. So call it what you will. If one soul repents so be it, and far be it from you to prevent it.

In the same way people can twist scriptures (not using them correctly) And bring in damnable heresies. So who teaches the law? Did not Jesus teach the law? But can the law save? NO!! Neither can the scriptures save. But Jesus, who sheds light on the law and scriptures can save. And he came to establish the law, not to abolish it. He came to teach the TRUTH of the law. And he performed the truth of the law. But yet, they killed him. Tsk tsk tsk.

May Jesus bless you.

 

[Red33]

EXCUSES FOR SIN
''We are saved by grace, not by works''
''We live under grace not under the law''
''Where sin abounds grace does much more abound''
''There is no condemnation to those in Christ Jesus''
''Even Paul could not do the thing that he would, yet did the things he did not want to do''
"If you say you have no sin you make God a liar''
''All who believe will be saved''
''I am a sinner saved by grace''

None of these statements (except the last one) in themselves are incorrect, they are indeed biblical. But when twisted by Satan to justify sin, they become very dangerous.

These are not excuses for sin, you confonded man, they reveal the finished work of Christ for every believer and they are true whether we sin or not. These are God's claims and we should claim them for ourselves because they have been given to us freely to live by and walk in as the truth. When you sin you can repent if you want to, but that will never guarentee that you won't sin again no matter how hard you try not to. When I sin, I'll boldly go to God's throne, confess my sin and get grace to help me so I don't continue in it. I'll take the grace of God over your repentance anyday, anytime and in any circumstance. We get to Him through grace and truth and not repentance. BTW - If you are not a sinner, what do you need repentance for?

 

[unclefester]

Christians should not need to hear the gospel from me as the Holy Spirit teaches them the gospel. But if a person supposes himself to be a Christian LET HIM BE LIKE JESUS CHRIST!! If a person is in error, it is the Spirit who rebukes them, but if they ignore it they show it written in them that they CHOSE to ignore it. If you are not condemned then it does not apply to you what I say, as Christ is Lord and savior and the one who justifies.

So again, what do you promote? Righteousness or unrighteousness Let's be careful NOT to encourage on in sin. But to follow after righteousness. If one sins and they are truly a Christian they know where to go to repent. Not to me but to Jesus.

May Jesus bless you.

Are you sure we don't go to you for repentance Ramon ?? More and more it's sounding like you'd have it that way if you could. Do you have any inkling how arrogant and self-righteous some of your posts are ????

 

[zone]

Who preaches the law? The law is good if it is used lawfully. But it is Satan who took the law to make it look like condemnation, when it was really written for our edification. You know all liars, thieves and murderers and adulterers, and idolaters and all people who practice sin have their parts in hell. So call it what you will. If one soul repents so be it, and far be it from you to prevent it.

In the same way people can twist scriptures (not using them correctly) And bring in damnable heresies. So who teaches the law? Did not Jesus teach the law? But can the law save? NO!! Neither can the scriptures save. But Jesus, who sheds light on the law and scriptures can save. And he came to establish the law, not to abolish it. He came to teach the TRUTH of the law. And he performed the truth of the law. But yet, they killed him. Tsk tsk tsk.

May Jesus bless you.

oh yes.
you're like Jesus, Ramon. persecuted for your teaching of the Law.
if Christians heard the Gospel everyday they'd find hope and encouragment to go on.
then you guys come along like you've reached the top rung...

you've got plenty to boast about i'd say.
The Lord must be pretty impressed with you.

 

[Ramon]

Are you sure we don't go to you for repentance Ramon ?? More and more it's sounding like you'd have it that way if you could. Do you have any inkling how arrogant and self-righteous some of your posts are ????

Judge how you will. I will be judged by Jesus and not by you. Use your eye to judge it, but the eyes of the Lord try my reigns.

May Jesus bless you.

 

[Ramon]

oh yes.
you're like Jesus, Ramon. persecuted for your teaching of the Law.
if Christians heard the Gospel everyday they'd find hope and encouragment to go on.
then you guys come along like you've reached the top rung...

you've got plenty to boast about i'd say.
The Lord must be pretty impressed with you.

Christians should not only be hearing the Gospel they should be DOING the gospel. Do you do the gospel? Aren't you striving to be changed into the image of Jesus? Are you running the race or do you think Jesus ran it so you can be lazy and sin all day till he comes? If so, go back to the Gospels and read again. If I will boast I will boast in the Lord Jesus Christ as my savior and redeemer, who washes away my sins in his blood. I lay prostrate before him only, and not before you.

And I don't care to impress you, but yes, i do care to impress the Lord.

May Jesus bless you.

 

[zone]

Judge how you will. I will be judged by Jesus and not by you. Use your eye to judge it, but the eyes of the Lord try my reigns.

May Jesus bless you.

NO.
hold on.
you guys wanna hold every else's feet to the fire. and randomly i might add, just willy nilly, no Gospel, just threatenings.

so let's hear your testimony.

when did you last sin, and how did you manage to stay perfect since then?
please tell me how its done Ramon.

what's your message for the lost who aren't christians yet?

how many weeks do they get til they have be perfect, Ramon?

 

[zone]

Christians should not only be hearing the Gospel they should be DOING the gospel. Do you do the gospel? Aren't you striving to be changed into the image of Jesus? Are you running the race or do you think Jesus ran it so you can be lazy and sin all day till he comes? If so, go back to the Gospels and read again. If I will boast I will boast in the Lord Jesus Christ as my savior and redeemer, who washes away my sins in his blood. I lay prostrate before him only, and not before you.

And I don't care to impress you, but yes, i do care to impress the Lord.

May Jesus bless you.

DOING the Gospel?
what an arrogant BRAGGART.

what do you need to lay prostrate before Him (how religious btw) for if you're perfect?

His blood cleanses you but not us.
well i guess we'll find out won't we Ramon.

yes, i'm just a big fat lazy sinner indulging my every whim.
Garce is awesome.

i can sin more now than i did before i got saved because i'm covered right?

it's FUN to promote sin.

 

[NoahsMom]

Taking one verse out of context and trying to force it to say something it doesnt is the first sign of a deceiver.CC must be full up then.

 

[Deadflesh]

The next time you sin and get caught in that sin, are you going to deny it or confess it as sin? If you sin you have to call yourself a sinner and tell God that you have sinned. Your still a saint but when you sin, your a sinner because saints don't sin, RIGHT? The only time you can be a saint without being a sinner is when you get your new glorified body that has no sin nature in it. But as long as you are in this body of sin you have a sin nature and your are a sinner and you have need of the grace of God, NO EXCEPTIONS. That doesn't mean that you have to around always confessing that your a sinner. I would much rather hear you confess the grace and goodness of God.

A Sinner is one who lives in and practices SIN.

A SAINT is one who Practices Righteousness.


A SAINT is not a sinner. You can call yourself a sinner if youd really like to. The LORD bless you.

 

[Ramon]

NO.
hold on.
you guys wanna hold every else's feet to the fire. and randomly i might add, just willy nilly, no Gospel, just threatenings.

so let's hear your testimony.

when did you last sin, and how did you manage to stay perfect since then?
please tell me how its done Ramon.

what's your message for the lost who aren't christians yet?

how many weeks do they get til they have be perfect, Ramon?

I last sinned when I thought I would just stop striving with you. Yes you zone. That was a sin, as the Lord has let me know. Just yesterday. Last night even. Yes, I sinned because I was going to just give up with you zone. But last night a heavy impression was put on my heart to pray for you. And I realized a very grave danger we can come into.

When our preaching becomes merciless, then it is not of God and it is not done in the Spirit. It is but fleshy. The Lord rebuked me. And you want to know how he confirmed that rebuke? When you said, ''love zone.'' You said love zone. whereas you had not said it before. And then I thought of every thought I had about just giving up, and I was rebuked. So now it is even clearer, that the will of God is to love him AND your neighbor as yourself. So I do not curse anyone. No!! But I bless everyone who curses me, and pray for those who talk about me or say things I said that I never said.

If a person is lost, they should go to Jesus and he will give them life. Yes, he will rebuke them if they have evil in them, yet he will gently restore them. The perfection of Jesus is instantaneous once applied to the heart, as it cleanses us from all our sin, so Satan cannot say we are sinners. We have confidence in him who promised.

So there you have it. There is my sin. Judge me. But you cannot condemn me.

May Jesus bless you.

 

[zone]

I last sinned when I thought I would just stop striving with you. Yes you zone. That was a sin, as the Lord has let me know. Just yesterday. Last night even. Yes, I sinned because I was going to just give up with you zone. But last night a heavy impression was put on my heart to pray for you. And I realized a very grave danger we can come into.

When our preaching becomes merciless, then it is not of God and it is not done in the Spirit. It is but fleshy. The Lord rebuked me. And you want to know how he confirmed that rebuke? When you said, ''love zone.'' You said love zone. whereas you had not said it before. And then I thought of every thought I had about just giving up, and I was rebuked. So now it is even clearer, that the will of God is to love him AND your neighbor as yourself. So I do not curse anyone. No!! But I bless everyone who curses me, and pray for those who talk about me or say things I said that I never said.

If a person is lost, they should go to Jesus and he will give them life. Yes, he will rebuke them if they have evil in them, yet he will gently restore them. The perfection of Jesus is instantaneous once applied to the heart, as it cleanses us from all our sin, so Satan cannot say we are sinners. We have confidence in him who promised.

So there you have it. There is my sin. Judge me. But you cannot condemn me.

May Jesus bless you.

well that's so holy of you.
your sin was a weary desire to not continue ministering to me.
but, you were strengthened and given Grace to continue ministering Grace to me.

was it really a sin to consider giving up?

show me where that is listed as a sin the Bible please.

don't give me your speil about loving neighbour as self ok?
you love yourself above everyone else Ramon, that's evident in your posts.

you think you are a great teacher of holiness - but you are an hypocrite.

move on to someone else: i work my sanctification with the Holy Spirit thanks very much.
since you've encouraged men who claim to be prophets (and there are no more), i doubt you heard from God on this one.
i think you heard from Ramon's prideful preacher heart.

ISN'T IT FUN to be a sin cop?

 

[Deadflesh]

so are you a sinner?

what's the difference between your private life and your public life?

Private life is my thoughts. I still stumble in the area of sarcasm. You know this.

I am EXTREAMLY sarcastic in my thoughts and i beg God daily to clean me of it. he has been as of late. I praise him for it

And No. Like i just said.

A SInner, practices sin, and lives in it. Justifies it. and doesnt feel the need to stop it.

A Saint Practices Righteosuness. Lives in it. and grows in it, becasue it is CHRIST beign formed, it is the righteosuness of GOD that we are becomming. Through the SPIRIT.

A SInner doesnt have the spirit of GOD. A SInner is an UNregenerated saint. You can NOT be a sinenr if you were regenerated. You MAY stumble, becasue you are i nthe flesh, but if you walk in the spirit you wont.

The trick is to walk in the spirit 24/7 I dont do that. But i crave to, i long to.

Jesus is commign back for a SPOTLESS BRIDE holy and clean. That is who he is commign back FOR, not who he is comming back to MAKE. We need to be holy FOR him. MAy We ALL strive for it. daily.

 

[Ramon]

well that's so holy of you.
your sin was a weary desire to not continue ministering to me.
but, you were strengthened and given Grace to continue ministering Grace to me.

was it really a sin to consider giving up?

show me where that is listed as a sin the Bible please.

don't give me your speil about loving neighbour as self ok?
you love yourself above everyone else Ramon, that's evident in your posts.

you think you are a great teacher of holiness - but you are an hypocrite.

move on to someone else: i work my sanctification with the Holy Spirit thanks very much.
since you've encouraged men who claim to be prophets (and there are no more), i doubt you heard from God on this one.
i think you heard from Ramon's prideful preacher heart.

ISN'T IT FUN to be a sin cop?

My sin was bitterness and resentment. It was a trespass because the Lord has shown me more. The more the Lord shows you the more he holds you accountable of. I am not accountable to you. But I am accountable of my attitude towards you. You may resent me, but I cannot resent you.

I will not use this thread to talk about prophets.

May Jesus bless you.

 

[needmesomejesus]

Yes I believe you, ''needsomejesus'' have a good heart. You are just listening to bad teaching. God sees you as righteous, dont let yourself, Satan, or anyone else tell you otherwise

Well, thanks, but I don't really listen to teaching this is what I have learned from reading the Bible. Thank you though.

 

[zone]

Private life is my thoughts. I still stumble in the area of sarcasm. You know this.

I am EXTREAMLY sarcastic in my thoughts and i beg God daily to clean me of it. he has been as of late. I praise him for it

And No. Like i just said.

A SInner, practices sin, and lives in it. Justifies it. and doesnt feel the need to stop it.

A Saint Practices Righteosuness. Lives in it. and grows in it, becasue it is CHRIST beign formed, it is the righteosuness of GOD that we are becomming. Through the SPIRIT.

A SInner doesnt have the spirit of GOD. A SInner is an UNregenerated saint. You can NOT be a sinenr if you were regenerated. You MAY stumble, becasue you are i nthe flesh, but if you walk in the spirit you wont.

The trick is to walk in the spirit 24/7 I dont do that. But i crave to, i long to.

Jesus is commign back for a SPOTLESS BRIDE holy and clean. That is who he is commign back FOR, not who he is comming back to MAKE. We need to be holy FOR him. MAy We ALL strive for it. daily.

please show me the text that says walking in the Spirit 24/7 is the trick.

there are christians in every stage of their sanctification.
some are doing really well, others are practising sin.

which ones are saved?