Myth: Humans were hunter-gatherers first, farmers later

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SaysWhat

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I was reading up on it with this page (<= link) which seems to have more info...

Heh I misspelled link and auto correct suggested milk as a better option... :ROFL:
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I was reading up on it with this page (<= link) which seems to have more info...

Heh I misspelled link and auto correct suggested milk as a better option... :ROFL:
I'm intrigued to try some sheep cheese haha 😄
 

Magenta

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I'm intrigued to try some sheep cheese haha 😄
I am a fan of Feta but it is usually made with goat milk and now sometimes even cow's milk...

I will be curious to try some sheep cheese now, too! I am not a milk drinker, but cheese?

Cheese as they say, makes everything better LOL
 

ewq1938

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Christ isn't called the last human, but Adam is called the first man.

He's called the first man Adam which can be understood as the first Adamite not the first human. As mentioned before, he is contrasted to Jesu as the "last Adam" but was not the last human man so there is evidence it is neither talking about the first human nor the last human.
 

posthuman

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He's called the first man Adam which can be understood as the first Adamite not the first human. As mentioned before, he is contrasted to Jesu as the "last Adam" but was not the last human man so there is evidence it is neither talking about the first human nor the last human.
We might get that sense from Corinthians, but not from Genesis 2:6-8. here, it is explicit, there was no man, then God formed Adam, a single man, the first one
 

homwardbound

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#45
I would agree on Acts 15:29 and Colossians 2:16, but I dont know why people keep saying Peter's vision has anything to do with food, just cause in the vision it says rise Peter kill and eat? If you look at the explanation of the vision its talking about calling no human unclean, the animals represent gentiles.
it was the calling to go to the Gentiles and God to preach through Peter, and his entering a Gentile house was illegal according to the Jewish people, he said that to Cornelius, then God spoke through Peter as Peter saw salvation happen then and there without any rituals or laws to do first, Given A gift
Woe is me, thanks for your post
 

ewq1938

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We might get that sense from Corinthians, but not from Genesis 2:6-8. here, it is explicit, there was no man, then God formed Adam, a single man, the first one
There was man, created two days earlier. The verse says there was no man to til the ground not that there was no man at all. Adam was a new man, a farmer and he was to live in the garden which was land locked. The 6th day man was given dominion over the fish of the sea which Adam was not given dominion over.
 
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The system and the so called science tells us that humans were hunter-gatherers before being farmers. Biblically I can see this is not so, Adam and Eve were farming from the get go.

Can someone show me any evidence of hunter-gatherers from the Bible? I know there are many primitive tribes in the earth today that do this, not denying that reality of course.

I just watched a video detailing the "worst time to be a human" and they gave some details on how life was for these humans, what they ate, how they lived in trees etc. And all im thinking is: "how on earth can these people know any of this? This is just a religious belief. There is 0 evidence of what they ate, 0 evidence of how long they lived. This is just absolute guess work" The Bible warns us about science falsely so called, and this is definitely it, its not repeatable of observable, its a religious belief pushed as science.

Anyone who disagrees is free to give me evidence to the contrary.
But mostly, I would like to know if the Bible mentions these hunter-gatherer tribes or peoples anywhere? Maybe somewhere in the books of Kings, Chronicles, who knows. I havent seen it, but I admit my knowledge of the OT is limited.

17 And he said to the man, “Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘Do not eat from it’:
The ground is cursed because of you.
You will eat from it by means of painful labor
all the days of your life.
18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you,
and you will eat the plants of the field.
19 You will eat bread by the sweat of your brow
until you return to the ground,
since you were taken from it.
For you are dust,
and you will return to dust.”
20 The man named his wife Eve because she was the mother of all the living. -- Genesis 3:17-20 (CSB)

A Gatherer? Well our Forefather was give a curse to eat the plants of the field. I hope we can agree that our Forefather had to Gather plants of the field, Peace be unto you Hope this answers your Question.

God blessed Noah and his sons and said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth.
2 The fear and terror of you will be in every living creature on the earth, every bird of the sky, every creature that crawls on the ground, and all the fish of the sea. They are placed under your authority. 3 Every creature that lives and moves will be food for you; as I gave the green plants, I have given you everything. 4 However, you must not eat meat with its lifeblood in it. -- Genesis 9:1-4 (CSB)

A Hunter? Every creature that lives and moves will be food for Noah and his descendants according to the Lord. And He said, when we kill a beast, we must not eat the meat with lifeblood still in it, meaning if we kill it we are not to eat it right away.

I hope this has been proof for hunters and gathering being a thing happening since the times of Adam, the first man, and Noah the Man everyone on this earth descends from on this day.

May Lord bless all the Saints.
Peace be unto all the Saints.
 
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#48
Peter's vision puts an end to dietary laws. Also, Acts 15:29 and Colossians 2:16.

The "unclean birds" are a symbol of evil spirits, not literal birds.

As soon as you put people under one law, such as dietary, you are on the slippery slope to putting people under all law. That is in direct contradiction to God's word. According to God's word we died to the Law and we live by a new principle, the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ. By all means choose foods to eat according to your conscience. You should not go against conscience at any time. But don't start pushing your ideas on others.
It is written every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused if it is received with Thanksgiving.

I do not go out of my way to eat pork or shrimp, but if it is served to me by another expecting me to eat it both to not cause offense and to honor this Word I shall eat it. And not refuse it, though I do not feel this justifies eating unclean food by our own choice.

May Lord bless all the Saints.
Peace be unto all the Saints.
 

Gideon300

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#49
It is written every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused if it is received with Thanksgiving.

I do not go out of my way to eat pork or shrimp, but if it is served to me by another expecting me to eat it both to not cause offense and to honor this Word I shall eat it. And not refuse it, though I do not feel this justifies eating unclean food by our own choice.

May Lord bless all the Saints.
Peace be unto all the Saints.
I don't much care about OT food laws. To me, bacon solves every culinary problem. Pork in this country is not unclean, unless its from feral animals, which is illegal. So far, I have no health issues from food that I eat. I avoid many things because I just don't like them, sushi for example. Each to his/her own.
 

Hakawaka

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I don't much care about OT food laws. To me, bacon solves every culinary problem. Pork in this country is not unclean, unless its from feral animals, which is illegal. So far, I have no health issues from food that I eat. I avoid many things because I just don't like them, sushi for example. Each to his/her own.
The truth is that everything is unhealthy depending on who you ask. Cant eat pork because it clogs your arteries and has worms, cant eat beef mad cow's disease and causes stomach etc. cancers. Cant eat butter clogs arteries, cant eat margarine it causes a low level of inflammation in the body causing junk to build up in your veins. Cant eat fish its got heavy metals in it. Cant eat any seafood it has heavymetals in it.
Cant eat vegetables they are manmade and inedible in nature.

Now im not saying go out and eat bacon for breakfast lunch and dinner, but obsessing too much about food seems to be a sign of the times. So much hype about whats healthy and whats not, yet this generation will probably live shorter lives than their grandparents.
 

Aaron56

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The system and the so called science tells us that humans were hunter-gatherers before being farmers. Biblically I can see this is not so, Adam and Eve were farming from the get go.

Can someone show me any evidence of hunter-gatherers from the Bible? I know there are many primitive tribes in the earth today that do this, not denying that reality of course.

I just watched a video detailing the "worst time to be a human" and they gave some details on how life was for these humans, what they ate, how they lived in trees etc. And all im thinking is: "how on earth can these people know any of this? This is just a religious belief. There is 0 evidence of what they ate, 0 evidence of how long they lived. This is just absolute guess work" The Bible warns us about science falsely so called, and this is definitely it, its not repeatable of observable, its a religious belief pushed as science.

Anyone who disagrees is free to give me evidence to the contrary.
But mostly, I would like to know if the Bible mentions these hunter-gatherer tribes or peoples anywhere? Maybe somewhere in the books of Kings, Chronicles, who knows. I havent seen it, but I admit my knowledge of the OT is limited.
Iknowright?
 

stilllearning

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The system and the so called science tells us that humans were hunter-gatherers before being farmers. Biblically I can see this is not so, Adam and Eve were farming from the get go.

Can someone show me any evidence of hunter-gatherers from the Bible? I know there are many primitive tribes in the earth today that do this, not denying that reality of course.

I just watched a video detailing the "worst time to be a human" and they gave some details on how life was for these humans, what they ate, how they lived in trees etc. And all im thinking is: "how on earth can these people know any of this? This is just a religious belief. There is 0 evidence of what they ate, 0 evidence of how long they lived. This is just absolute guess work" The Bible warns us about science falsely so called, and this is definitely it, its not repeatable of observable, its a religious belief pushed as science.

Anyone who disagrees is free to give me evidence to the contrary.
But mostly, I would like to know if the Bible mentions these hunter-gatherer tribes or peoples anywhere? Maybe somewhere in the books of Kings, Chronicles, who knows. I havent seen it, but I admit my knowledge of the OT is limited.
I find they are misinterpreting the data. I fully believe that the data shows prior to the flood there was less food in production. Reason being of course God had cursed the ground.

I believe what they see as the sudden rise of food production is post the flood when Noah offered his sacrifice and God no longer continued to curse the ground.

Genesis 8:20-22

And Noah builded an altar unto the LORD; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar.

21And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.

22While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.

God removing the curse on the ground. As well as what millions, 10's of millions, 100's of millions, billions? Dead and decomposing human, and animal bodies as well as dead and decomposing plant life. God removing the curse mixed with a sudden and worldwide fertilization had to have a great effect. So I believe they are seeing this and then concluding that we had suddenly started to farm.

I personally find we have always farmed we just had a curse then it was removed which would explain the lower and higher food production.
 

UnoiAmarah

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Can someone show me any evidence of hunter-gatherers from the Bible?
The LORD planted the garden; and gave ever herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. Logically, man would had to have been gatherers first.