God gave the law about Circumcision.

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Not really - and where does Jesus say these things - lets do one point at a time - Revelations - are we allowed to eat food sacrificed to idols or commit sexual immorality?
1 Corinthians 10:23 “I have the right to do anything”—but not everything is constructive.

I don’t commit sexual immorality because it breaks the relationship between me and God and between me and my wife.
 
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GENESIS 17:10-13

10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.

11 And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.

12 And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.

13 He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.
It is important to recognize that the Bible can speak against doing something for incorrect reasons without speaking against doing it for the reasons for which God commanded it. For example, in Exodus 12:48, a Gentile who wanted to eat of the Passover lamb was required to become circumcised, so the Bible can speak against Gentiles becoming circumcised in order to become saved without speaking against becoming circumcised in accordance with the reasons for which God commanded it. God’s word should not be interpreted as speaking against obeying God’s word.
 
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It is important to recognize that the Bible can speak against doing something for incorrect reasons without speaking against doing it for the reasons for which God commanded it. For example, in Exodus 12:48, a Gentile who wanted to eat of the Passover lamb was required to become circumcised, so the Bible can speak against Gentiles becoming circumcised in order to become saved without speaking against becoming circumcised in accordance with the reasons for which God commanded it. God’s word should not be interpreted as speaking against obeying God’s word.
So explain Galatians 5:2. It clearly contradicts the Law requiring physical circumcision.
 
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1 Corinthians 10:23 “I have the right to do anything”—but not everything is constructive.

I don’t commit sexual immorality because it breaks the relationship between me and God and between me and my wife.

1 Corinthians 10:23 (KJB) All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.

Everyone can do anything they want, people murder even worship the devil. The point we are discussing is if it prohibited


Jesus says its a sin, he hates it – so regardless, you believe its lawful?



Revelation 2:14 - 14 Nevertheless, I have a few things against you: There are some among you who hold to the teaching of Balaam, who taught Balak to entice the Israelites to sin so that they ate food sacrificed to idols and committed sexual immorality.

15 Thus you also have those who hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate.

Rev 2:6 - But this you have, that you hate the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.

Revelation 2:20 - Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.


Acts 16:3 - Paul wanted to take him along on the journey, so he circumcised him because of the Jews who lived in that area, for they all knew that his father was a Greek.

Paul still believed it appopriate to circumcise a gentile
 
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1 Corinthians 10:23 (KJB) All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.

Everyone can do anything they want, people murder even worship the devil. The point we are discussing is if it prohibited


Jesus says its a sin, he hates it – so regardless, you believe its lawful?



Revelation 2:14 - 14 Nevertheless, I have a few things against you: There are some among you who hold to the teaching of Balaam, who taught Balak to entice the Israelites to sin so that they ate food sacrificed to idols and committed sexual immorality.

15 Thus you also have those who hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate.

Rev 2:6 - But this you have, that you hate the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.

Revelation 2:20 - Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.


Acts 16:3 - Paul wanted to take him along on the journey, so he circumcised him because of the Jews who lived in that area, for they all knew that his father was a Greek.

Paul still believed it appopriate to circumcise a gentile
Paul also thought it permissible to eat food sacrificed to idols unless one was in the presence of someone weaker in faith whose conscience it offended--apparently including the writer of RV 2:20.
 

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1 Corinthians 10:23 (KJB) All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.

Everyone can do anything they want, people murder even worship the devil. The point we are discussing is if it prohibited


Jesus says its a sin, he hates it – so regardless, you believe its lawful?
Did I say that? No I didn’t.


Acts 16:3 - Paul wanted to take him along on the journey, so he circumcised him because of the Jews who lived in that area, for they all knew that his father was a Greek.

Paul still believed it appopriate to circumcise a gentile
A single case where the rationale was clearly explained does not make a sound argument for circumcision of all Christians.
 
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Did I say that? No I didn’t.



A single case where the rationale was clearly explained does not make a sound argument for circumcision of all Christians.

You seemed to be reluctant to confirm - is it permissible to - commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols - its a yes or no?


Single case where rational was clear – you either have to do it or not / needed or not


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18:18 He had his head shaved in Cenchrea to keep a vow

24:18 At the time they found me in the temple, I was ceremonially clean

21:26 Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple,
 
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Acts 16:3 - Paul wanted to take him along on the journey, so he circumcised him because of the Jews who lived in that area, for they all knew that his father was a Greek.

Paul still believed it appopriate to circumcise a gentile
Timothy was a Jew because his mother was Jewish.
 

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You seemed to be reluctant to confirm - is it permissible to - commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols - its a yes or no?


Single case where rational was clear – you either have to do it or not / needed or not


Acts:


18:18 He had his head shaved in Cenchrea to keep a vow

24:18 At the time they found me in the temple, I was ceremonially clean

21:26 Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple,
Clearly, you’re trying to bait me. I’m not interested in your games.
 
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Not really - and where does Jesus say these things - lets do one point at a time - Revelations - are we allowed to eat food sacrificed to idols or commit sexual immorality?
Paul said eating food sacrificed to idols is nothing, so Revelation is obviously using figurative language to describe following doctrines of demons
 
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I quote the bible - Jesus says we are not allowed to eat food sacrificed to idols or commit sexual immorality - he also says Law is a weightier matter - do you not agree with this?
Paul stated that all foods are lawful, even those sacrificed to idols. The meat from idol sacrifices was sold in the markets, and Paul said to eat it without asking the source. Even going to a feast where they ate idol sacrifices was OK. The only time eating idol sacrifices was forbidden was when the host providing the food said it was offered to idols; Forbidden not because it was wrong to eat, but wrong to not witness to the conscience of the idolator that worshipping idols was wrong.

All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not. Let no man seek his own, but every man another's [wealth]. Whatsoever is sold in the markets, [that] eat, asking no question for conscience sake: For the earth [is] the Lord's, and the fulness thereof. If any of them that believe not bid you [to a feast], and ye be disposed to go; whatsoever is set before you, eat, asking no question for conscience sake. But if any man say unto you, This is offered in sacrifice unto idols, eat not for his sake that shewed it, and for conscience sake: for the earth [is] the Lord's, and the fulness thereof: Conscience, I say, not thine own, but of the other: for why is my liberty judged of another [man's] conscience? For if I by grace be a partaker, why am I evil spoken of for that for which I give thanks? Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God. 1 Corinthians 10:23-31
 
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Clearly, you’re trying to bait me. I’m not interested in your games.
not trying to do anything - my position is clear that Jesus says you need to keep the law and Revelations the last book points to at least somethings - your position appeared to be different. It was a discussion, but you seem to be very unclear in your responses. if you don’t want to engage no prob!
 
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How - you stated his mother was a Jew - how is that relevant - the point was Paul took him to be circumcised - what doesn’t make sense?
You used Timothy as an example that Paul circumcised a gentile. According to Jewish law he was not a gentile, so your point has no merit
 
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Paul stated that all foods are lawful, even those sacrificed to idols. The meat from idol sacrifices was sold in the markets, and Paul said to eat it without asking the source. Even going to a feast where they ate idol sacrifices was OK. The only time eating idol sacrifices was forbidden was when the host providing the food said it was offered to idols; Forbidden not because it was wrong to eat, but wrong to not witness to the conscience of the idolator that worshipping idols was wrong.

All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not. Let no man seek his own, but every man another's [wealth]. Whatsoever is sold in the markets, [that] eat, asking no question for conscience sake: For the earth [is] the Lord's, and the fulness thereof. If any of them that believe not bid you [to a feast], and ye be disposed to go; whatsoever is set before you, eat, asking no question for conscience sake. But if any man say unto you, This is offered in sacrifice unto idols, eat not for his sake that shewed it, and for conscience sake: for the earth [is] the Lord's, and the fulness thereof: Conscience, I say, not thine own, but of the other: for why is my liberty judged of another [man's] conscience? For if I by grace be a partaker, why am I evil spoken of for that for which I give thanks? Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God. 1 Corinthians 10:23-31

So, going back to my points with Dino246

Jesus says its a sin, he hates it – so regardless, you believe its lawful?

Does not Revelations and Jesus take precedence?

Revelation 2:14 - 14 Nevertheless, I have a few things against you: There are some among you who hold to the teaching of Balaam, who taught Balak to entice the Israelites to sin so that they ate food sacrificed to idols and committed sexual immorality.

15 Thus you also have those who hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate.

Rev 2:6 - But this you have, that you hate the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.

Revelation 2:20 - Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
 
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So, going back to my points with Dino246

Jesus says its a sin, he hates it – so regardless, you believe its lawful?

Does not Revelations and Jesus take precedence?

Revelation 2:14 - 14 Nevertheless, I have a few things against you: There are some among you who hold to the teaching of Balaam, who taught Balak to entice the Israelites to sin so that they ate food sacrificed to idols and committed sexual immorality.

15 Thus you also have those who hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate.

Rev 2:6 - But this you have, that you hate the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.

Revelation 2:20 - Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
I already told you Revelation is using figurative language for doctrines of demons. It has nothing to do with real food. That's the only possible explanation because both Paul and Jesus said that nothing persons eat can defile them