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cronjecj

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Again.....
Does this sound like "Humans that are led by the Spirit of God"?

Gen 6:
4) There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

5) And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
YES.

oh dear
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AnandaHya

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Man I'm glad we don't burn witches anymore! Or do we? Love Mark!
No God does if they do not repent of their sins and blasphemies and wickedness:

Matthew 13

36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away and went into the house. And His disciples came to Him, saying, “Explain to us the parable of the tares of the field.”
37 He answered and said to them: “He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. 38 The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one. 39 The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels. 40 Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age. 41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, 42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!
 

tribesman

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Due to the serious nature of false doctrine inspired by demons and its ability to lead the unwatchful into Hell.

We are issuing an advisory to warn all new Christians or members to this site that we have amongst us at least three cult followers.

Here are the warning signs you will note in their conduct...
thank YOU LORD CHRIST for your saving grace.
Not sure I agree fully on #2, that the Book of Enoch would be "gnostic literature", while I do not see it as part of canon. I think some christians would hold to point #3 as well. The rest of the points are clear cut and needs not be discussed.

While I don't fancy the "ban those that disagree with me" thingy there would still be rules at this forum that should be upheld, to rid spammers and trolls if anything.

One can read about these rules here:

http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...t-vibrant-heated-discussions-please-read.html <- link
 
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Why would Jude quote Enoch? What does truth have in common with false?
For Jude to quote Enoch is fine...but its presumptious to say it was from a book...
and for Jesus or Paul to quote from a book or a sage is for the intent shown in
whatever context its in. Whether as a true statement or as a false statement, the
context will prove that.

For someone to make a quote does not mean is was from a book that has that
quote in it. For someone to make a quote...and lets say it "was" from a book that
had that quote in it...does not make the book ok to call inspired or good. There
are many books that have good in them but are intrinsically bad.

So all you can rightfully do is figure Jude was inspired to write what he wrote
whether by revelation or not...there is nothing that leads anyone to believe
he took it from a book.
 
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What kind of a person would take the sin of a brother and repeat the matter to another or to a few others? Whether the intent is to communicate to others as a warning to what this person has done, past or present, or to slander or malign them in the process, does this not hinge on being some kind of wolf that does not practice the love of God and through repeating the matter of personal sin, scattering the sheep or separates friends? Wolves are those that scatter the flock and devour others but have the right appearance and outward form as to commend themselves in the eyes of others that are not rooted in the word, doctrine of Christ and the grace of God.
 

cronjecj

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What kind of a person would take the sin of a brother and repeat the matter to another or to a few others? Whether the intent is to communicate to others as a warning to what this person has done, past or present, or to slander or malign them in the process, does this not hinge on being some kind of wolf that does not practice the love of God and through repeating the matter of personal sin, scattering the sheep or separates friends? Wolves are those that scatter the flock and devour others but have the right appearance and outward form as to commend themselves in the eyes of others that are not rooted in the word, doctrine of Christ and the grace of God.
was this referred to as in general
or to abiding?
 

superdave5221

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Romans 8:14 (KJV)
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God,
they are the sons of God.

Angels are not the sons of God.

Humans that are led by the Spirit of God are.

Angels are ministering spirits. Hebrews 1:14 (KJV)
I am not subscribing to the views of the author of this thread in any way. But you say that angels are not referred to as sons of God.

Then who is the author of Job talking about here:

Job 38: 1 Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind and said, 2 "Who is this that darkens counsel By words without knowledge ? 3 "Now gird up your loins like a man, And I will ask you, and you instruct Me! 4 "Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth ? Tell Me, if you have understanding, 5 Who set its measurements ? Since you know. Or who stretched the line on it? 6 "On what were its bases sunk ? Or who laid its cornerstone , 7 When the morning stars sang together And all the sons of God shouted for joy ?

Or who is being referred to here:

Psalms 89: 5 The heavens will praise Your wonders, O LORD ; Your faithfulness also in the assembly of the holy ones. 6 For who in the skies is comparable to the LORD ? Who among the sons of the mighty is like the LORD,
 
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AnandaHya

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What kind of a person would take the sin of a brother and repeat the matter to another or to a few others? Whether the intent is to communicate to others as a warning to what this person has done, past or present, or to slander or malign them in the process, does this not hinge on being some kind of wolf that does not practice the love of God and through repeating the matter of personal sin, scattering the sheep or separates friends? Wolves are those that scatter the flock and devour others but have the right appearance and outward form as to commend themselves in the eyes of others that are not rooted in the word, doctrine of Christ and the grace of God.
Paul, JESUS, Elijah all rebuked and warned others of their sins. So that people might not get deceived or be lead astray. Their warnings were neither sugar coated or slander for they spoke the truth. Slander is when one speak lies, Maligning implies evil intent in the heart. It is not God's LOVE to allow sin and wolves to devour the sheep.

Wolves are those who open the doors for demonic doctrines to enter the minds of the young and undiscerning.

A wolf is someone pretending to be a sheep with the outward forms of Christianity but the inward corruption of Satan.

They are clouds without rain.

Or as Paul warns they creep into the church and spread FALSE doctrine and lies like Jesus is NOT God Almighty,the Everlasting Father.

They pretend to be peacekeepers but are hypocrites and attack any one who speaks against their lies or that of their brethren. they are not related to God's children but follow their father the Devil who lies and deceives from the beginning.

Did Jesus sugarcoat His words to such people?

Matthew 23:27
“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which indeed appear beautiful outwardly, but inside are full of dead men’s bones and all uncleanness.
Or did the Apostle Paul?

2 Peter 2
1 But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. 2 And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed. 3 By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does[a] not slumber.


To say Jesus is NOT God is to DENY the LORD and try and introduce a DIFFERENT Christ to the body of the Church.

They are WOLVES and anyone who wishes them God's speed are guilty of their sin as well.
 
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...To say Jesus is NOT God is to DENY the LORD and try and introduce a DIFFERENT Christ to the body of the Church.
It is NOT "denying the Lord". It is understanding who he is, and who God his father is. Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God. God fathered him. He is the second Adam, a MAN. God cannot die, Jesus Christ died. God, his Father, resurrected him.

In NO WAY do I deny the Lordship of Jesus Christ. Without him, no man could be saved.

They are WOLVES and anyone who wishes them God's speed are guilty of their sin as well.
You're zealous, but wrong.
 
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AnandaHya

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I am not subscribing to the views of the author of this thread in any way. But you say that angels are not referred to as sons of God.

Then who is the author of Job talking about here:

Job 38: 1 Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind and said, 2 "Who is this that darkens counsel By words without knowledge ? 3 "Now gird up your loins like a man, And I will ask you, and you instruct Me! 4 "Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth ? Tell Me, if you have understanding, 5 Who set its measurements ? Since you know. Or who stretched the line on it? 6 "On what were its bases sunk ? Or who laid its cornerstone , 7 When the morning stars sang together And all the sons of God shouted for joy ?

Or who is being referred to here:

Psalms 89: 5 The heavens will praise Your wonders, O LORD ; Your faithfulness also in the assembly of the holy ones. 6 For who in the skies is comparable to the LORD ? Who among the sons of the mighty is like the LORD,
Who is God talking to here?

Isaiah 40:20-22
New King James Version (NKJV)
20 Whoever is too impoverished for such a contribution
Chooses a tree that will not rot;
He seeks for himself a skillful workman
To prepare a carved image that will not totter.
21 Have you not known?
Have you not heard?
Has it not been told you from the beginning?
Have you not understood from the foundations of the earth?

22 It is He who sits above the circle of the earth,
And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers,
Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain,
And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.
and here?

Ephesians 1:3-5
New King James Version (NKJV)
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, 4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, 5 having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will,


Whom is He speaking of Here?

Revelation 13:8
All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Revelation 17:8
The beast that you saw was, and is not, and will ascend out of the bottomless pit and go to perdition. And those who dwell on the earth will marvel, whose names are not written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world, when they see the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
 

superdave5221

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It is NOT "denying the Lord". It is understanding who he is, and who God his father is. Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God. God fathered him. He is the second Adam, a MAN. God cannot die, Jesus Christ died. God, his Father, resurrected him.

In NO WAY do I deny the Lordship of Jesus Christ. Without him, no man could be saved.


You're zealous, but wrong.
John 10: 17 "For this reason the Father loves Me, because I lay down My life so that I may take it again. 18 "No one has taken it away from Me, but I lay it down on My own initiative. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This commandment I received from My Father."
 
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AnandaHya

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It is NOT "denying the Lord". It is understanding who he is, and who God his father is. Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God. God fathered him. He is the second Adam, a MAN. God cannot die, Jesus Christ died. God, his Father, resurrected him.

In NO WAY do I deny the Lordship of Jesus Christ. Without him, no man could be saved.


You're zealous, but wrong.
When the Bible says the LORD is it referring to God?

Is JESUS LORD?

If you deny that Jesus is Immanuel or GOD with us, if you don't believe that Jesus is the incarnated GOD or GOD made flesh, then you are deny who Jesus really is.
 
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It is NOT "denying the Lord". It is understanding who he is, and who God his father is. Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God. God fathered him. He is the second Adam, a MAN. God cannot die, Jesus Christ died. God, his Father, resurrected him.

In NO WAY do I deny the Lordship of Jesus Christ. Without him, no man could be saved.


You're zealous, but wrong.
Seems like God himself would say your wrong.

Hebrews 1: 7 - 8 And of the angels He says: “ Who makes His angels spirits And His ministers a flame of fire.” But to the Son He says:Your throne, O God, is forever and ever A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed YouWith the oil of gladness more than Your companions

Jesus himself did not correct Thomas when he called him God:

John 20: 28 - 29 Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!" Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."


even John knew who Jesus was:

Jn 1 : 1 In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God and the word was with God
 

superdave5221

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Who is God talking to here?



and here?

Ephesians 1:3-5
New King James Version (NKJV)
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, 4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, 5 having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will,

Whom is He speaking of Here?

Revelation 13:8
All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Revelation 17:8
The beast that you saw was, and is not, and will ascend out of the bottomless pit and go to perdition. And those who dwell on the earth will marvel, whose names are not written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world, when they see the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
Genesis 1: 1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. [or laid the earth's cornerstone] [when the sons of God shouted for joy]

Genesis 1: 23 There was evening and there was morning, a fifth day....26 Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness...31 God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.


I'm sorry, did I get Genesis out of order?
 

superdave5221

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It is NOT "denying the Lord". It is understanding who he is, and who God his father is. Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God. God fathered him. He is the second Adam, a MAN. God cannot die, Jesus Christ died. God, his Father, resurrected him.

In NO WAY do I deny the Lordship of Jesus Christ. Without him, no man could be saved.


You're zealous, but wrong.
John 5: 18 For this reason therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God. 19 Therefore Jesus answered and was saying to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, unless it is something He sees the Father doing ; for whatever the Father does, these things the Son also does in like manner.

Philosophical question: Who but God himself could do the things of God?

If you could do what Lebron James does, wouldn't you be as great as Lebron James?

If Jesus does all the things that God does (whatever the Father does), wouldn't he be as great as God?

If he is as great as God, then he IS God.
 
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AnandaHya

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no you just misunderstand when the Foundation of the Earth was laid.

Genesis 2
4 This is the history[a] of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, 5 before any plant of the field was in the earth and before any herb of the field had grown. For the LORD God had not caused it to rain on the earth, and there was no man to till the ground; 6 but a mist went up from the earth and watered the whole face of the ground.
7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.

You see the Heaven and Earth was not considered created until AFTER the creation of men. which is on the seventh day when Gd rested.
 

superdave5221

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no you just misunderstand when the Foundation of the Earth was laid.

Genesis 2
4 This is the history[a] of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, 5 before any plant of the field was in the earth and before any herb of the field had grown. For the LORD God had not caused it to rain on the earth, and there was no man to till the ground; 6 but a mist went up from the earth and watered the whole face of the ground.
7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.

You see the Heaven and Earth was not considered created until AFTER the creation of men. which is on the seventh day when Gd rested.
So the foundation of a building is not considered to be laid, until the building is completed and in use?

????????
 

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Amanda you must be jewish or a jew helping sayanim.
Many christians have been brainwashed by the jews to recognize their version of an old testament as a
jewish story book, so they are free to enslave and looting the world cause they are the alleged chosen since centuries as a theocratic force operating from the back seat...

But Jesus Christ came on this world to fix this abomination!
He told us you will recognize them by their fruit..
So lets face the truth.
For example Exodus 21:7-11 NLT.
A little group self rejecting the bible and exaggerating it in a egocentric,rabbinical, talmudic form for supremacy
to abuse, rape,enslave,genocide and plunder the nations as a parasite, building an exclusive state in the state to buy and sell even the forces and proxies to do the dirty evil work for them masquerading in the background.
They all are doing this with the help of their father, the devil!
But this camouflage will be exposed in short!
So who are the jews?
Jesus and the whole bible gives witness of them if you read the bible as a warning against them!




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rejected Him 1 Kings 8:7
forsaken Him 1 Kings 8:8
served strange gods 1 Kings 8:8
hast not kept the commandments of the Lord 1 Kings 13:13
forsaken the commandments of God 3 Kings 18:18
mocked the messengers of God 2 Chronicles36:16
despised God&#8217;s Word 2 Chronicles36:16
misused the prophets 2 Chronicles36:16
provoked God to wrath 2 Nehemiah 9:26
departed from God 2 Nehemiah 9:26
threw God&#8217;s law behind their backs 2 Nehemiah 9:26
killed the prophets, who admonished them earnestly to return to God 2 Nehemiah 9:26
guilty of great blasphemies 2 Nehemiah 9:26
forsaken the Lord Isaiah 65:11
forgotten His holy mountain ( the commandments from Mt. Sinai) Isaiah 65:11
didn't listen to Him Isaiah 65:11
did evil Isaiah 65:11
didn't answer Him Isaiah 65:11
chosen the things that displease God Isaiah65:11
forsake God Jeremias 2:13
made up their own religion "that holds no water" Jeremias 2:13
had not done God's work Ezekiel 20:23
cast off His laws Ezekiel 20:23
their eyes were after the idols of their fathers Ezekiel 20:23
defiled Israel with idols Ezekiel 36:16ff
profaned His Holy Name Ezekiel 36:16ff
lying pen of the scribes wrote falsehood Jeremias 8:7ff
they all dealt deceitfully Jeremias 8:10
they voided the Covenant Jeremias 31:31-32
sacrificed to idols Jeremias 44:23
not walked in His law Jeremias 44:23
disobeyed God's commandments Jeremias 44:23
disobeyed God's Law Baruch 2:10
the people of Israel will deny the Messiah Daniel 9:25ff
no truth in Israel Hosea 4:1-2
no mercy in Israel Hosea 4:1-2
no knowledge of God in Israel Hosea 4:1-2
sacrificed to Baalim and other idols Hosea 11:2
He hates their festivities, sacrifices, and songs Amos 5:20-24
covetous in all the Israelites Amos 9:1
departed from the Law Malachi 2:8-12
made void the Covenant Malachi 2:8-12
not kept God's ways Malachi 2:8-12
despised their brothers Malachi 2:8-12
committed abominations Malachi 2:8-12
profaned the holiness of the Lord Malachi 2:8-12
married the daughter of strange gods Malachi 2:8-12


accused by Moses John 5:45-47
adversaries to all men I Thessalonians 2:14
agents of the devil John 8:44
blind Matthew 23:26
blind guides Matthew 23:16, 17, 19, 24
children of Hell Matthew 23:15
children of the devil John 8:44
crucifiers Matthew 23:34
dangerous leaven Matthew 16:6-12; Mark 8:15; Luke 12:1
defectors Matthew 15:6; Mark 7:9, 13; John 5:45, 46, 47
deicides I Thessalonians 2:14-15
dogs Matthew 7:6; Revelation 22:16
foolish Matthew 23:17
full of dead men's bones Matthew 23:27
haters of God John 15:24,25
hypocrites Matthew 6:2, 5; 15:7; 22:18; 23:13, 14, 15, 23, 25, 27, 28, 29; Mark 7:6; Luke 13:15
idolaters Revelation 22:16
iniquitous Matthew 23:28
killers of the just Matthew 23:35
killers of the prophets Matthew 23:37; I Thessalonians 2:14-15
liars John 8:44, 55; Revelation 3:9, 22:16
murderers Matthew 23:31; Revelation 22:15
offspring of vipers Luke 3:7
purveyors of fables Titus 1:13-14
serpents Matthew 23:33
sorcerers Revelation 22:16
swine Matthew 7:6
synagogue of Satan Revelation 2:9, 3:9
unchaste Revelation 22:16
unclean Matthew 23:25
vipers Matthew 3:7; 12:34; 23:33
void the commandments of God for the traditions of men Mark 7:8-9
whited sepulchers Matthew 23:27

axe laid to the root Matthew 3:10
cast into the fire Matthew 3:10; 7:19; Luke 3:9
condemned Mark 16:16
cut down Matthew 3:10
in vain do they worship me Matthew 15:9; Mark 7:7
judgment of Hell Matthew 23:33
shall be broken Matthew 21:44
shall be ground into powder Matthew 21:44
the kingdom of God shall be taken from you Matthew 21:43
woe Matthew 23:13, 14, 15, 16, 23, 25, 27; Luke 11:42, 46, 47, 52
wrath Matthew 3:7; Luke 3:7; 21:23; St. Paul in I Thessalonians 2:16
you do not enter the kingdom of Heaven Matthew 23:13



 
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So the foundation of a building is not considered to be laid, until the building is completed and in use?

????????
It says all work is done after the seventh day, but are new animals still being born? do people and plants and fish and birds, etc still reproduce?

the foundation was that God created a template or an original pair for each creature (similar to Noah and his ark) and told them to reproduce and fill the Earth.

Is a foundation complete when you just lay down one brick?

Ada I'm not Jewish and have no clue what your post is suppose to be about.

your list are not the Jews or Israel or God's chosen people but the Great Harlot pretending to be beloved of God.
Jesus came and destroyed by allowing the ten horns of the beast to burn and make her desolate.
 
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