Misunderstanding of Hell

GreenNnice · Mar 1, 2012

See what you do, to each other, fellow believers.

I mean, how many of you above have ACCEPTED CHRIST IN YOUR HEART ??

Yet, there you are now, ripping each other apart, venomously , on a subject that you MUST let the Lord provide the answer, NOT you.

Don't do it. Judging someone is NOT just disagreeing respectfullly with them either, it is OPPRESSING them with your belief system. Don't you know that even in the believer community that their are those that have so MANY different beliefs of Hell. Some don't even believe in Hell !!

It's like 'Jesus is not God' thread and other threads where people have different DOCTRINAL BELIEFS, but STILL believe in JESUS having died for their sins . So, they misunderstand, say your say (with prayer done before saying it) and then let the Lord CONVICT through His Holy Spirit power spoken through YOU

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Just UNDERSTAND that God will provide understanding of this grave subject, it is ridiculous IF you are going to continue as your above posts, it's TOTAL oppression and you might as well be slaves to Satan, because by bickerting and arguing that is what is happening, and, NO, I am not judging you....

I am speaking Truth and The Truth hurts. So, take the reproof, ALL of you and hug and LEARN to debate and give your thoughts in Love . I know you can do it, I have faith in you....... And, the important thing to note on 'that' is, He does too

Trax · Mar 1, 2012

2knowhim said:

I don't follow what you accuse me of doing. I posted scripture to show Hell is forever. Hell IS
the lake of fire. Death and Hades is cast into Hell aka Lake of Fire. Some translations use the
phrase "death and hell", but the word is hades. The correct translation is "death and hades."

Now, who are you accusing me of not forgiving.

greatblue · Mar 1, 2012

Trax said:

2knowhim -- Does the fire burns with God's holiness? Above all things, God is holy. John's baptism was of water, Christ's of fire. I have been baptized with water in profession of He who has the approved blessing of the Father; Jesus Christ has baptized me with the fire of His holy spirit. Is there another baptism after death? If so, doesn't this really make Christ optional? Hell is as deep as the darkness goes.

Why not 2knowHim? Capitalization?

Carmy · Mar 1, 2012

The font is so small on my screen that I didn't read all replies because for some reason Im getting a headache but I would like to respond still.

Tombo what I read from your posts sounds like the Jehovah witness beliefs. I disagree with what you said about no hell because we read that in hell there will be gnashing of teeth and
Mat 8:12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

I can't find the other verse I was looking for but there was the rich man that was crying out because he was thirsty and just wanted a drop of water on his tongue and he was in torment.

If I were to only die when my life is over, then I have nothing to fear but death itself. Im not afraid of that. I live the Christian life because of my love for Jesus but I could also fulfill the desires of my flesh if I have nothing to fear in the end since the thought of death doesn't bother me.

God influenced every word that is put in the bible and if hell wasn't real or a place of torment, then there wouldn't have been any scripture reference to the torment, thirst and screaming that the rich man endured when his life was over.

LawofLove · Mar 1, 2012

Tombo said:

Hell will not be a place, hell is a condition of being under God's wrath. At the end of the world, people will either be saved and have eternal life, or they will be lost and perish. Jesus said to fear God who can destroy both body and soul in hell (gehenna). Gehenna was the place outside of Israel where they burned up their trash and refuse. It was continually burning. It was a fit description of the destruction of the unsaved at the end of the world. God will not eternally torment people in a literal place called hell. God is just and will meet out to each lost one what they deserve. Jesus said that the one who knew the masters will and didn't do it will be beaten with many stripes; but the one who didn't know will be beaten with few. If God inteneded to eternally tormant people this verse would not make sense. I hear people saying that this verse teaches degees of hell. But whether you are beaten with many or few stripes, what difference would it make if it went on unceasingly??? I recommend a book by Edward Fudge called "The fire that consumes". I too used to believe in eternal conscious torment, but if we let the verses of the Bible say what they say, we will see it clearly. It's curious that there is no teaching of hell in the old testament. And in the new testament there are only two verses in Revelation (a highly symbolic book) that seem to teach eternal torment. The vast majority of the new testament verses teach the destruction and death of the wicked, but eternal life for the saved. The contrast is always between life and death. Jesus says I give to them eternal life, and they shall never perish. For God so loved the world that he gave his only son, that whoever believes on Him shall not PERISH, but have eternal life. If everyone will have eternal life (the saved and unsaved) this verse too would make no sense.
The problem came in in the early centuries of the church with the teaching of the immortality of the soul. It was carried over from greek philosophy. The greeks taught that the soul is immortal, but the Bible does not. The Biblle says that only God is immortal, and that he grants immortality to those in Christ. I could go on, but I really encourage people to get get the book, "The fire that consumes" by Edward Fudge. It is quite exhaustive on the subject.
God bless!!!!!!!

Tom

great post

LawofLove · Mar 1, 2012

jonathanbchristian said:

Verses please, You have to remember its not about who's right, rather do you understand each side only then will you see the truth. So using the bible is a good way to make your point so others can understand your point of view, with out the bible you have nothing, only a personal point of view. The point of these studies is to get the truth out there and to see from each point of view not just say what you believe.

I mean if you went up to someone and said Jesus died on the cross for you and they ask you how do you get to know Jesus, How do you show them?....From the bible! or els you will just look crazy with a crazy point of view. Seeing how God wants us to use our brain (Phil 1:9) and ask him the way and he has put everything we need for Godliness (2 pet 1:3-11) verse 3 though says "He has given us everything for life and godliness.

So this place is not to win a conversion, but to understand fully the word of God by all studding together.

So when you said I quote "hell is forever" What did you think would come of a seed that never was watered. When God put you there to learn or teach.(1cor 3:5-17) because they both go hand and hand. I learn who you are by what you teach and we all learn when we teach as well. See what I mean? God bless but I hope you look at this more. If you like you can see some of the treads I started and see who I am and you take what you will from it but when you only say what you believe and not show its not worth much and lazy for not doing Gods work, only reason I would even tell you this because you spoke up but did not follow through regardless if your wrong or right I just want you to take Gods work more at heart or follow what James says in chapter 3:1 because if our whole heart is not in what we teach then why would any one want to hear what you have to say. Makes it point less wast of breath.

GreenNnice · Mar 2, 2012

LawofLove said:

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Half.
This half explains . When someone makes a comment about any topic, speak with scripture from the Word backing but--and, LoveisLaw, that was well said , our purpose is NOT conversión of fellow christian chat believers. But, and I understand not everyone can back their words in posts in lovely- said, erudite form, and, meaning. That is not something to worry about , God gives us our words .

Besides trying our best to back our thought with scripture proof, we need also speak in Love.

Do you really THINK you are not unaccountable for what you say to a fellow believer of condemning them or chadtising them crassly, brashly, brazenly, hurtfully, oppressively ?

Yes, it is , just as bad, if what you say causes them to leave christian chat and, worse yet, let's just say, the left person was just starting to get excited about Christ before you told them, 'They were going to Hell for something they were doing (and, yes, not on this thread, but I have heard that judgment made in other c.c. threads.'

All I am saying , and, greatbigblue, and, yoTommybo, both you said things well, diplomatically, and, what Jesus would do in handling disagreement. I apologize to, 'respectfully disagreeing' wording was kosher, and, mature, Tommyyobo .

But, Yeah, just please, and, God will reward you for it, but keep accusatory and judmentlism out of your thinking, UNLESS there is beyond shadow of doubt heinous great sin being said by a poster.
Righteously fulfilling your self is a painful thing for all to see, your righteous judgment MUST be said in Love, yes, God's Love. And, IF you can't say things 'that' way then do you think God wants you to say them?

'Hell ' is a VERY touchy subject and even tombotommy , greatlargeblue, reading your posts, although intelligent like tombo's eternal life and death comparison is good statement, are too controversial of thoughts for Hell for many to grasp.and, in this case, not grasping them makes them begin to think of a 'Hell' that is to their understanding.

All that is being said here is don't turn those statements of controversial things into spiteful, and, worse het, prideful retorts.

Best advice: Pray to Jesus before every thing you say, that way God can really get in there and let His Spirit through YOU say great Truth.

It's all about The Truth, peeps.

May God continue to bless the things you say with the law of Love firstly on your mind before having even put down one word.

Let's let others see who we are, that Christianity is a great religion, the one that is 'different' than all others in such a caring, understanding, appreciating, compassionate, blessing, giving, eternally fulfilling way

I am sorry if I stunted your all thinking and postings on this thread, but unless 'peace' can be at the center of your 'Hell,' it is not going to be something that pleases our Prince Of Peace.

And, isn't that why we are here on Earth , to glorify Him through all we say and do, and, I pray that is what I have done and am doing here on this thread right now.

Note: I would have totally left it at my harsh reproof before but God convicted me to get back and read the posts better and, although there are some things said accusatively, and, haughtily, overall, YOU all have discussed this so VERY controversial topic in Love

Tombo · Mar 2, 2012

I knew full well that when I started this topic it would cause some controversy. But I went ahead because I thought it was important to show what I believe the Bible is teaching on this subject, not for controversy. And I made clear in another post that no one should abandon anything they firmly believe the Bible is teaching. I only asked that people re-examine what they believe on this subject by carefully going to the Bible and looking at all relevant verses. If, after taking everything as a whole, you still believe in eternal conscious torment, then so be it. Chirstians, of all people, are to be ever loving to one another. This is not something that should divide Christians. Too many people feel that if someone doesn't follow their particular beliefs in all things then they must not be true Christians. I am sad to say that I was in this boat for many years of my life. If someone came along and challenged anything I firmly believed the Bible taught, I rejected it out of hand as heresy and would not listen. There are many absolutes in the Bible that are beyond dispute, but I don't feel this is one of them. To disagree on the nature of the punishment of the lost is not an acid test for orthodoxy.
God bless all here!!!!

Tom

Avinu · Mar 2, 2012

Sheol is what the english translators translate as hell. It means nothing more than the abode of the dead or the grave. Take for example Psalm 6:5 "For in death there is no remebrance of you; in Sheol who will give you praise? Actually, she'ol means hell/pit in hebrew. This is why having a understanding of the original writings of Scripture really helps. Your belief was right in the first place when you believed in hell. Now your belief has taken you down a wrong path. Scripture is quite clear. I'm sorry you have a hard time believing or even seeing that YHVH is going to cast those who rejected Yeshua into the Lake of Fire for ALL eternity. But that's exactly what is going to happen.

And I don't think anyone will get away with anything. In Luke 12:47-48 "And that servant who knew his master's will but did not get ready or act according to his wil, will receive a severe beating. But the one who did not know, and did what deserved a beating, will receive a light beating." In teaching the Biblical teaching of conditional immortality, there is room in the destruction process for punishment. I don't know how long and in what manner the punishment and destruction process will last, but it will be terrible for anyone that faces it. Words can't describe it. Just because it won't go on forever doesn't take away from the awfulness of it. In fact, the true horror for the lost will be their knowledge that they will miss out on eternal bliss in heaven with the Lord and His people. Since you believe by this statement here that their punishment is short, what do you think happens to them afterwards?

I am not a Jehova's witness. I fully believe in the deity of Christ and the Holy Spirit. The Trinity is clearly taught in the Bible. The Bible does not teach a trinity. But that's for another discussion.

you read all through Paul's epistles, He never mentions anyone being consciously tormentented forever.And that means what, just because Paul didn't speak of hell, doesn't mean a thing, since it is all over the Bible.

He always uses words like death, destuction, etc. The problem with the teaching of never ending, conscious torment, is that all the words in the rest of the Bible that speak of death, destruction, perishing, etc. lose their meaning. Death really doesn't mean death, destruction doesn't really mean destruction and perish doesn't mean perish. When we filter the many verses through the few, we get off track. I do agree that the two verses in Revelation are hard to reconcile with all of the many verses that teach the final destruction of the wicked. But the rule should be to follow the many rather than the few.death, destruction, perish, anyone cast into the Lake of Fire for all eternity, sounds like death, destruction and perishing to me. And on top of that, to never be in the presence of Yah ever, that would be death to me, that would be destruction to me, and that would be perishing to me, forever tormented by it.

I will try to get together more Bible verses for you to consider.
God bless!!!!

Tom [/QUOTE ] I look forward to seeing what scriptures you can come up with. Shalom and Yah Bless

resurrection33 · Mar 2, 2012

Tombo said:

Hell will not be a place, hell is a condition of being under God's wrath. At the end of the world, people will either be saved and have eternal life, or they will be lost and perish. Jesus said to fear God who can destroy both body and soul in hell (gehenna). Gehenna was the place outside of Israel where they burned up their trash and refuse. It was continually burning. It was a fit description of the destruction of the unsaved at the end of the world. God will not eternally torment people in a literal place called hell. God is just and will meet out to each lost one what they deserve. Jesus said that the one who knew the masters will and didn't do it will be beaten with many stripes; but the one who didn't know will be beaten with few. If God inteneded to eternally tormant people this verse would not make sense. I hear people saying that this verse teaches degees of hell. But whether you are beaten with many or few stripes, what difference would it make if it went on unceasingly??? I recommend a book by Edward Fudge called "The fire that consumes". I too used to believe in eternal conscious torment, but if we let the verses of the Bible say what they say, we will see it clearly. It's curious that there is no teaching of hell in the old testament. And in the new testament there are only two verses in Revelation (a highly symbolic book) that seem to teach eternal torment. The vast majority of the new testament verses teach the destruction and death of the wicked, but eternal life for the saved. The contrast is always between life and death. Jesus says I give to them eternal life, and they shall never perish. For God so loved the world that he gave his only son, that whoever believes on Him shall not PERISH, but have eternal life. If everyone will have eternal life (the saved and unsaved) this verse too would make no sense.
The problem came in in the early centuries of the church with the teaching of the immortality of the soul. It was carried over from greek philosophy. The greeks taught that the soul is immortal, but the Bible does not. The Biblle says that only God is immortal, and that he grants immortality to those in Christ. I could go on, but I really encourage people to get get the book, "The fire that consumes" by Edward Fudge. It is quite exhaustive on the subject.
God bless!!!!!!!

Tom

I think of hell as the natural consequences of sin. For instance, if I rob a bank, I will probably spend a lot of time in prison. Even if I don’t get caught, I will spend every waking hour of every day looking over my shoulder. There are far worse things that can happen to a person than going to prison.

Tombo · Mar 2, 2012

Avinu said:

Sheol is what the english translators translate as hell. It means nothing more than the abode of the dead or the grave. Take for example Psalm 6:5 "For in death there is no remebrance of you; in Sheol who will give you praise? Actually, she'ol means hell/pit in hebrew. This is why having a understanding of the original writings of Scripture really helps. Your belief was right in the first place when you believed in hell. Now your belief has taken you down a wrong path. Scripture is quite clear. I'm sorry you have a hard time believing or even seeing that YHVH is going to cast those who rejected Yeshua into the Lake of Fire for ALL eternity. But that's exactly what is going to happen.

And I don't think anyone will get away with anything. In Luke 12:47-48 "And that servant who knew his master's will but did not get ready or act according to his wil, will receive a severe beating. But the one who did not know, and did what deserved a beating, will receive a light beating." In teaching the Biblical teaching of conditional immortality, there is room in the destruction process for punishment. I don't know how long and in what manner the punishment and destruction process will last, but it will be terrible for anyone that faces it. Words can't describe it. Just because it won't go on forever doesn't take away from the awfulness of it. In fact, the true horror for the lost will be their knowledge that they will miss out on eternal bliss in heaven with the Lord and His people. Since you believe by this statement here that their punishment is short, what do you think happens to them afterwards?

I am not a Jehova's witness. I fully believe in the deity of Christ and the Holy Spirit. The Trinity is clearly taught in the Bible. The Bible does not teach a trinity. But that's for another discussion.

you read all through Paul's epistles, He never mentions anyone being consciously tormentented forever.And that means what, just because Paul didn't speak of hell, doesn't mean a thing, since it is all over the Bible.

He always uses words like death, destuction, etc. The problem with the teaching of never ending, conscious torment, is that all the words in the rest of the Bible that speak of death, destruction, perishing, etc. lose their meaning. Death really doesn't mean death, destruction doesn't really mean destruction and perish doesn't mean perish. When we filter the many verses through the few, we get off track. I do agree that the two verses in Revelation are hard to reconcile with all of the many verses that teach the final destruction of the wicked. But the rule should be to follow the many rather than the few.death, destruction, perish, anyone cast into the Lake of Fire for all eternity, sounds like death, destruction and perishing to me. And on top of that, to never be in the presence of Yah ever, that would be death to me, that would be destruction to me, and that would be perishing to me, forever tormented by it.

I will try to get together more Bible verses for you to consider.
God bless!!!!

Tom [/QUOTE ] I look forward to seeing what scriptures you can come up with. Shalom and Yah Bless

Sheol means the pit or the grave. Hades is the greek form describing the same word. Hades and Gehenna, or the valley of hinnom are used in the new testament to describe two things, a place of destruction and the grave. When the Bible says the gates of hell/hades shall not prevail against the kingdom of God, it is not saying the forces of evil will not prevail, but that not even death or the grave will prevent god's kingdom from being established. Jesus was not left in hell/hades/the grave, but conquered death for all of us!!!!! And neither will we be left in the grave, but will be ressurected by the same power that raised Jesus.
I am short on time now, but I will try and collect some more verses to look at later.
God bless, my friend.

Tom

Avinu · Mar 2, 2012

Sheol means the pit or the grave. I don't know why you're so adament to overlook that She'ol means hell, along with grave or pit, as you see in the definition I posted on my first post on your thread. So no matter how much you try to ignore that, none the less it still means hell.

Hades is the greek form describing the same word. Hades and Gehenna, or the valley of hinnom are used in the new testament to describe two things, a place of destruction and the grave.The valley of Hinnom goes all the way back to Joshua.

When the Bible says the gates of hell/hades shall not prevail against the kingdom of God, it is not saying the forces of evil will not prevail, but that not even death or the grave will prevent god's kingdom from being established.It is actually saying both, that not only will the forces of evil fail to prevail, but death also.

Jesus was not left in hell/hades/the grave, but conquered death for all of us!!!!! And neither will we be left in the grave, but will be ressurected by the same power that raised Jesus.For the second time you still haven't answered my question, if those who are lost and die in their sin, who will not enter heaven, you stated their punishment is temporary, then what happens to them after it is done?

I am short on time now, but I will try and collect some more verses to look at later.
God bless, my friend.Yes, still waiting on those verses. Shalom

G86
ᾅδης
hadēs
hah'-dace
From G1 (as a negative particle) and G1492; properly unseen, that is, "Hades" or the place (state) of departed souls: - grave, hell.

As you can see, hades is the same as she'ol.

2knowhim · Mar 2, 2012

Avinu said:

Avinu, you said this also:

Scripture is quite clear. I'm sorry you have a hard time believing or even seeing that YHVH is going to cast those who rejected Yeshua into the Lake of Fire for ALL eternity. But that's exactly what is going to happen.

You also placed hell, sheol, the grave, the pit, etc. etc. all in the same category as the lake of fire.

Then maybe you want to have a go at interpreting this scripture, because David is using the word She'ol
and even adds "the lowest part of it". Yet, there was deliverance from this place, how do you explain that?

Psa 86:12 I will praise thee, O Lord my God, with all my heart: and I will glorify thy name for evermore.
Psa 86:13 For great is thy mercy toward me: and thou hast delivered my soul from the lowest hell.

Or this:

Psa 18:4 The sorrows of death compassed me, and the floods of ungodly men made me afraid.
Psa 18:5 The sorrows of hell compassed me about: the snares of death prevented me.

Psa 116:3 The sorrows of death compassed me, and the pains of hell gat hold upon me: I found trouble and sorrow.
Psa 116:4 Then called I upon the name of the LORD; O LORD, I beseech thee, deliver my soul.

LawofLove · Mar 2, 2012

GreenNnice said:

Here again you haven't given any bible verse out for me to understand your point of view.

Here is what Paul showed me; 1Co 4:6 And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.

So when you don't use your bible for your point it just becomes a fleshly point of view. This will be the last reply if your only here to argue and not study the bible. Thank you for your reply non the less, shows me you read what I posted instead of just typing your thoughts. With love there is understanding and I just want to understand you not argue. I hope I have made my point and you find I am trying to be respectful.

And to put us on topic I would like to draw your eye to Luke 16:23 the word hades here is grave no not
geenna showing this as a parable and not real torment because the torment only happens in geenna.But hades or grave is the resting place for the body with out the breath of life.

Laodicea · Mar 2, 2012

Avinu said:

So then the verse in Revelation 20 could read like this:-
Revelation 20:14
(14) And death and the grave were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

That means in the new earth there will be no more death, no more grave, no more hell
Revelation 21:4
(4) And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

Tombo · Mar 2, 2012

Instead of me grouping together the many Bible verses on this subject, I thought this site may be of interest. It really goes into detail on all aspects of what we've been discussing and does so in a much clearer way than I can convey.

Why Conditional Immortality is true and biblical

Let me know what you think after perusing this site.
God bless!!!!

Tombo · Mar 2, 2012

Here is another good website: Truth According to Scripture - Defending the Christian Faith

Go to the death and immortality section at the left.
God bless.

Tom

Avinu · Mar 2, 2012

Tombo, I mean absolutely no disrespect, but I'm not interested in some man's self interpretation of scripture. I personally take the Bible at it's word for what it says. I don't try to make it fit to my comfort zone as so many people do.
What I'm interested in is you answering my question, you have now avoided 3 times. If you would rather not answer it, please just say so, but you started this thread. So I would appreciate it if you would answer my question.
Here it is again,

if those who are lost and die in their sin, who will not enter heaven, you stated their punishment is temporary, then what happens to them after it is done?

Also, you said that YOU would give more scripture to back your claims, I'm not interested in someone else's, so would you please provide the verses you said you would provide? Thank you, Yah Bless.

Tombo · Mar 2, 2012

Avinu said:

The lost will ultimaletly be destroyed and cease to exist. I don't believe, based on what I read in God's word, that God will have an eternal place where he will torture people in flames forever. That is a grave misrepresentation of God's character. The websites I've given you go into great detail and give many verses from the Bible on the subject. If you don't want to take the time to read through them and the verses they provide, then I can do no more. You say you don't want to read some man's self interpretation of the scripture, but if I give you the same verses you will say they are my self interpretation.
Just take this one verse from the new testament and think about it. Matthew10:28 "And do not fear those who kill the body BUT CANNOT KILL THE SOUL. Rather fear HIM WHO CAN DESTROY BOTH SOUL AND BODY IN HELL/GEHENNA. Does destroy not mean destoy??? Why does Matthew say not to fear those that cannot kill the soul? Is it not in contrast to God who can kill both body and soul??? To hold to the teaching of eternal, conscious torment, words lose their meaning. Kill doesn't mean kill, destroy doesn't mean destroy and perish doesn't mean perish.
You can do a full study yourself by looking up the word hell in a concordance and read all the references to it. Like I've said in previous posts, if you think you've exhastively covered everything on the subject and think it teaches eternal torment for the unsaved, then stick to it. I am not asking anyone to give up anything they firmly beleive is the truth. My reason for starting this thread was to encourage people to search this subject afresh to see if what they hold to is really true.
God bless!!!!

Tom

Avinu · Mar 2, 2012

I study greatly the Word in it's original languages, and in the english, many words are grossly mistranslated. I take it alot deeper than a simple concordance, and from all my research and the fact that scripture is quite clear, they all say you're incorrect. Scripture is quite clear that YHVH is a jealous God, and a wrathful God. And has made claims many times in scripture that those who have profaned Him and rejected His Son will burn for eternity.
I thank you for finally answering my question, but for those who died in there sin to cease to exist, then their is no punishment for their sin, and therefore win either way. Also as Rev. says and there is no misunderstanding or misinterpreting it, that even those who take the mark of the beast and worship his image will burn in torment forever before the Lamb and the angels of Heaven. This is simply something that cannot be discarded, unless you just choose to. But our beliefs are irrelevent to the unmistakable facts.
It matters not what we hold to be true, that is a error of man, what matters is knowing what Yah's word says and that no matter how much we may not like something said, it will be unchanged regardless.
Also, it is common knowledge that a word can have multiple meanings, and in hebrew even more so. It is simply not enough to research a word just in the english, you must take it back to it's original form.
Take the word 'destroy' it seems you take it to mean completely gone. But when YHVH said He would destroy the world with water, did it cease to exist? No. When He destroys it with fire, will it cease to exist? No It will be made new, cleansed, restored back to what it was before sin entered the world. So also in the same manner, when he destroys the wicked of the earth, they will not cease to exist, but will suffer for there sins, and rejection of Yeshua for all eternity. Which is the hebrew word 'OLAM' which literally means ' a time without end'
There is too much evidence that proves this all out.
I thank you for your conversation, may YHVH bless you and yours, and may we always seek His truth in all matters, regardless of whether or not we like the answer. Shalom

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