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[RickyZ]

I don't believe what some guy on a podium tells me about a book. I know what I know by what I see and interact with around me; by what I do with my hands and receive back, what I say with my lips and hear in return... Since the day I was born I've had this evidently unique connection to the spiritual world, and God has gone out of His way to give me an education and experience in it. You want to know about Angels and Demons, ghosts and goblins, and all that stuff I'm your man. I can see them, smell them, hear them; tell you where they're from and what they're up to. It's given me a very unique insight into the world and how it runs, and a very unique insight into the religions of the world including 'Christianity'. Which brings us back to that first thing I mentioned, I don't believe in the spiritual because a Bible verse tells me to. I believe in the Bible verse because it best describes and explains what know by what I see and interact with around me, in this realm and the other.

Caveat at first: some may think I come across as arrogant; OMG that is so not the case. I have paid very dearly for my spiritual experience and knowlege so there is an emotional response in there. And what I offer is different and challenging; with strong positions there come strong responses. But that's good. We're in for challenging times and so we best be strengthened for challenges.

Thank you for the opportunity to challenge myself here.

 

[mooman]

Hey buddy, interesting fellow aye? I'm a bit like u as I've also had experiences with angels and demons and have studied them very much over the years. I'm new here too. Wellcome, god bless

 

[RickyZ]

Cool. We will have to compare notes and experiences.

 

[destiny]

welcome to cc

 

[carolineh]

sounds to me like you are in opposition to God's word and so you are very satanic and God condemns communing with demons

 

[Ugly]

sounds to me like you are in opposition to God's word and so you are very satanic and God condemns communing with demons

Methnks you have misunderstood and jumped to conclusions. Or perhaps i have. But i saw him say he believes in the bible, and that his experiences line up with what the bible teaches.
He didn't say he communed with demons, he said he had a better than average understanding of the spiritual world and how it works. Perhaps he has a strong discernment. Or perhaps he just schizophrenic. While i am cautious of what he's saying, its too soon to condemn him as satanic.

 

[mooman]

He's not schizophrenic nor satanic. Understand what he wrote before you jump to conclusions. Angels and demons are mentioned countless times in the bible, I have experienced them and so has this man.

 

[carolineh]

Methnks you have misunderstood and jumped to conclusions. Or perhaps i have. But i saw him say he believes in the bible, and that his experiences line up with what the bible teaches.
He didn't say he communed with demons, he said he had a better than average understanding of the spiritual world and how it works. Perhaps he has a strong discernment. Or perhaps he just schizophrenic. While i am cautious of what he's saying, its too soon to condemn him as satanic.

methinks we should ask this man his view of the bible cause I sense he is his own experienced based and does not care what a book, namely the bible tells him

 

[RickyZ]

I don't read a Bible verse and say oh ok that's how it must work, ignoring what's really going on around me. I look at what's going on around me, then I read the Bible verse and think wow that really describes what I see going on very well. I know the Word of God is truth not because some guy on a podium tells me so, but because I see it action constantly. Because I 'reverse engineer' my Biblical understanding I acknowlege that I do have some contrary views. But again, I won't quote your chapter and verse, any idiot can make any argument based on some stray chapter and verse. No, I'll tell you how it works in the real world and how the real world ties into God. No I don't cavort with demons, frankly I wish they'd leave me alone. But they know I have the God given ability to expose them and so they see to it I'm as stymied, stonewalled, and irrelavent as a human can be. Maybe that's why I'm here at CC, to change that. And I'm not promisin' it won't get rough.

But just so here's NO question,

Jesus Christ is the only Son Of God, sacraficed for the sins of the world, and thru Him and Him ALONE is salvation possible.

Now, let's go talk about what that REALLY means...

 

[carolineh]

I don't read a Bible verse and say oh ok that's how it must work, ignoring what's really going on around me. I look at what's going on around me, then I read the Bible verse and think wow that really describes what I see going on very well. I know the Word of God is truth not because some guy on a podium tells me so, but because I see it action constantly. Because I 'reverse engineer' my Biblical understanding I acknowlege that I do have some contrary views. But again, I won't quote your chapter and verse, any idiot can make any argument based on some stray chapter and verse. No, I'll tell you how it works in the real world and how the real world ties into God. No I don't cavort with demons, frankly I wish they'd leave me alone. But they know I have the God given ability to expose them and so they see to it I'm as stymied, stonewalled, and irrelavent as a human can be. Maybe that's why I'm here at CC, to change that. And I'm not promisin' it won't get rough.

But just so here's NO question,

Jesus Christ is the only Son Of God, sacraficed for the sins of the world, and thru Him and Him ALONE is salvation possible.

Now, let's go talk about what that REALLY means...

you need to learn about exergesis and understanding bible verses in context rather than isolating the verses and getting them out of context and trying to apply them to your own limited experiences..what you are doing is like hacking into God's word with a machete and then getting each bit and tossing them up in the air having them to land at your feet and pasting them into the scrap book of your life...would be like me grabbing a verse that reads...then the queen took flight...and me saying to myself...I live in Queensland..and I was thinking of flying down south for a holiday..obviously God is telling me to fly down south for a holiday...no the bible was saying how the Queen was being pursued by the army of God..you cannot personalise God's word like that and you should not be toying with satans army..he is way stronger than you..leave it to God to deal with satan and his angels

 

[RickyZ]

I'll admit that it can look like I'm doing the Benihanas thing to God's word, you're insightful in that observation and I give you kudos. In a way and to a very little bit some of it does actually work that way. But I'm not EVEN going to try and explain that one now.

Let me go to the end of your letter. "I should not be toying with Satan's army". I don't. Quite the opposite, at least once a day I wish to -edited- they would leave me alone. But they can't, cause there's this -edited- spiritual connection I have that I can't sever. And I've taken great pains my entire life to study and understand it. I didn't just study the Bible, but when it comes down to it the Bible is the one source that consistently describes with accuracy what I experience. And since I know with accuracy what the Bible says about what I experience, they know that I can expose them. So they are in constant attack, like a swarm of mosqitos just lookin for a bit of exposed flesh. I have no choice but to 'toy' with them, 'cause at his point I'm purely defensive and fighting for my life.

Believe me, my experience is NOT limited. Not by a long shot. And if you give me the benefit of the doubt and a little time to interact here I'll convince you I'm not crazy, or unBiblical.

 

[carolineh]

I'll admit that it can look like I'm doing the Benihanas thing to God's word, you're insightful in that observation and I give you kudos. In a way and to a very little bit some of it does actually work that way. But I'm not EVEN going to try and explain that one now.

Let me go to the end of your letter. "I should not be toying with Satan's army". I don't. Quite the opposite, at least once a day I wish to -edited- they would leave me alone. But they can't, cause there's this -edited- spiritual connection I have that I can't sever. And I've taken great pains my entire life to study and understand it. I didn't just study the Bible, but when it comes down to it the Bible is the one source that consistently describes with accuracy what I experience. And since I know with accuracy what the Bible says about what I experience, they know that I can expose them. So they are in constant attack, like a swarm of mosqitos just lookin for a bit of exposed flesh. I have no choice but to 'toy' with them, 'cause at his point I'm purely defensive and fighting for my life.

Believe me, my experience is NOT limited. Not by a long shot. And if you give me the benefit of the doubt and a little time to interact here I'll convince you I'm not crazy, or unBiblical.

I dont think you are crazy...I think that the reason you are under so many attacks is because you think you can win against satan and his army...the fact is that satan was the most powerful angels of God who actually thinks he can usurp God and in that way he is crazy to be thinking that but he really is more powerful than humans and he hates humans...it is silly to take him on when that is the Lord's job...I am not sure which bible character said to satan...may the Lord rebuke you but it was a wise decision to leave it to God

 

[RickyZ]

I can't win against Satan and his army. But I can claim Jesus' win over them for my own. And again, I didn't ask for this cross, it was given me at birth. I have to deal with them because they are there whether I want them to be or not. I thank God He went to all the trouble to show me how to do that.

 

[carolineh]

I can't win against Satan and his army. But I can claim Jesus' win over them for my own. And again, I didn't ask for this cross, it was given me at birth. I have to deal with them because they are there whether I want them to be or not. I thank God He went to all the trouble to show me how to do that.

the only way you can claim Jesus win over satan is by knowing that He defeated satan at the cross when He received the punishment for our sins..the punishment that we deserve forever and ever...and Jesus rose from death to life...He did not tell us that having done that we could do that same thing..we are to respond to what Jesus has done by turning to Him in love and turning from our sins..we are not to take the power and glory from Jesus and claim it as our own

 

[carolineh]

run to the feet of the Lord, tuck your head under your hands and plead with the Lord to protect you from satan....He is the only one who can protect you from satan

 

[RickyZ]

And you CAN"T leave it to God. Jesus said He holds the authority, but that it for US to use it. Jesus didn't say we're to pray for Him to cast out demons, He said YOU will do that in My Name. And that's why they attack me, cause if I can get you to understand that and stop praying 'Lord God please heal so-and-so' and instead pray 'in the Name of the Lord God I heal so-and-so', they know you would have a lot better handle on God's power against them.

Mark 16:17 "And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons" and Luke 10:17 "The seventy-two returned with joy and said, "Lord, even the demons submit to us in your name", for those of you who INSIST upon a verse.

 

[SpiritualWarfare]

Hi welcome to Christian Chat!~ God bless

 

[carolineh]

And you CAN"T leave it to God. Jesus said He holds the authority, but that it for US to use it. Jesus didn't say we're to pray for Him to cast out demons, He said YOU will do that in My Name. And that's why they attack me, cause if I can get you to understand that and stop praying 'Lord God please heal so-and-so' and instead pray 'in the Name of the Lord God I heal so-and-so', they know you would have a lot better handle on God's power against them.

Mark 16:17 "And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons" and Luke 10:17 "The seventy-two returned with joy and said, "Lord, even the demons submit to us in your name", for those of you who INSIST upon a verse.

And these signs - These miracles. These evidences that they are sent from God.

Them that believe - The apostles, and those in the primitive age who were endowed with like power. This promise was fulfilled if it can be shown that these signs followed in the case of any who believed, and it is not necessary to suppose that they would follow in the case of all. The meaning is, that they would be the result of faith, or of the belief of the gospel. It is true that they were. These signs were shown in the case of the apostles and early Christians. The infidel cannot say that the promise has not been fulfilled unless he can show that this never occurred; the Christian should be satisfied that the promise was fulfilled if these miracles were ever actually wrought, though they do not occur now; and the believer now should not expect a miracle in his case. Miracles were necessary for the establishment of religion in the world; they are not necessary for its continuance now.

In my name - By my authority, and using the power that I would in such cases, if bodily present. This was done; and in this they differed essentially from the manner in which Jesus himself wrought miracles. He did it in "his own name," and as possessing original, underived authority. See the account of his stilling the sea (Matthew 8:26, etc.); of his healing the sick Matthew 9:5-6; of his raising Lazarus, John 11. The prophets spoke "in the name of the Lord." The apostles did likewise, Acts 3:6, etc. There was, therefore, an important difference between Jesus and all the other messengers that God has sent into the world. He acted in his own name; they in the name of another. He wielded his own power; they were the instruments by which God put forth the omnipotence of his arm to save. He was therefore God; they were men of like passions as other men, Acts 14:15.

Shall they cast out devils - See the notes at Matthew 4:24. Compare Acts 16:16-18.

Shall speak with new tongues - Shall speak other languages than their native language. This was remarkably fulfilled on the day of Pentecost, Acts 2:4-11. It existed, also, in other places. See 1 Corinthians 12:10.

 

[RickyZ]

the Christian should be satisfied that the promise was fulfilled if these miracles were ever actually wrought, though they do not occur now; and the believer now should not expect a miracle in his case. Miracles were necessary for the establishment of religion in the world; they are not necessary for its continuance now.





They do occur now. And I'd like to see a vote on that among CC's members. I think you'd be in the minority in saying miracles don't happen now.


Every miracle that changes a non believers heart (that change itself being a miracle) establishes 'religion' in that heart so they are necesarry for it's continuance in your words. And not just it's contuance, but it's enforcement in the here and now. Your idea that 'that was then this is now' is dangerously wrong. It takes all the power out of God's plan for us. And if there's no power in God's plan for you, then you're just twiddling your thumbs waiting for Him to return. And we all know about idle hands - or was that only then too?


What He told His disciples and followers then applies to us now. Ever more so in these end times.

 

[carolineh]

the Christian should be satisfied that the promise was fulfilled if these miracles were ever actually wrought, though they do not occur now; and the believer now should not expect a miracle in his case. Miracles were necessary for the establishment of religion in the world; they are not necessary for its continuance now.





They do occur now. And I'd like to see a vote on that among CC's members. I think you'd be in the minority in saying miracles don't happen now.


Every miracle that changes a non believers heart (that change itself being a miracle) establishes 'religion' in that heart so they are necesarry for it's continuance in your words. And not just it's contuance, but it's enforcement in the here and now. Your idea that 'that was then this is now' is dangerously wrong. It takes all the power out of God's plan for us. And if there's no power in God's plan for you, then you're just twiddling your thumbs waiting for Him to return. And we all know about idle hands - or was that only then too?


What He told His disciples and followers then applies to us now. Ever more so in these end times.

if christians can still perform the miraculous, then why are christians not going to hospitals and grave yards to raise the dead? bible also said they would survive poisoning...does that mean we go around ingesting poisons or does it mean that it would happen and be fulfilled..like when Paul survived the bite of a venimous snake..God does answer prayer and still perform miracles but the gift of performing miraculous signs and wonders has been removed from countries that have the gospel