Originally Posted by JoenEriksen
Hi kenisyes.
The sexual act in the bible is called to KNOW your wife. It is never called to make love, have sex. The tree of knowledge is the woman. She was good for food, to make one wise. The words from Gen 3:6 fits just perfect to the woman. “the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise,”
Then why is Gen 3:6, wise is sakal, Gen. 4:1 is yada, and Gen. 2:9 is da'ath. Your conclusion is not matched in the original text. This Scripture won't work for this claim.
Matt. 1:25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.
You are correct that this is the Greek translation of Gen 4:1, but it does not match the knowledge in the tree. That's what I meant by a conclusion being right or wrong. The premise above is wrong, so this conclusion is wrong:
What kind of knowledge is it that Josef did not know? The knowledge in the tree of knowledge of cause. There is a knowledge in the woman that Adam was denied, being the image of God. She, the tree of knowledge was the only tree in the garden created without seed in her self. But God put a seed in her by promise. And after the fall, they were not allowed to ALSO eat of the tree of Life. But the tree of knowledge was now their only hope to ever get access to the tree of Life. And where do I find that in the bible? I find it in the words ALSO.
Gen. 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
The word "also" is not in the original text. Again a wrong translation. The correct story is that knowledge must now come through the Word of God.
There is no way back. The tree of knowledge have been touched. Now this is his way back to salvation.
The tree of Life was by the promise of God planted in her in genesis when God said: I put enmity between the seed of the serpent and the SEED of the WOMAN. Jesus Christ the tree of Life planted in the woman. This is all there in Genesis by revelation.
Gen. 4:1 …and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.
This is Eve giving accout for her first born son. Her words puts the name out there. “I have gotten a man from the LORD” These words means “Cain”
No, cain means "gotten". See Strong's 7014 and cross references. It is not a prophecy, it is an observation.
If you say Cain then you say “This is the Lord” She was wrong. He was most certainly not the Lord, he was the first born of the “egyptian, the gentile, the Esau” The first born child that God was against.
A gentile is a non-Jew. There were no Jews until God's covenant with Abraham, so there were no Gentiles.
Abel of cause also was first born. Even he was born second. He was the first born child of Adam. This statement is not written directly in the bible, I admit that, but the truth is hidden to the wise of this world and revealed to his servants.
The secret of iniquity is revealed to be in the serpent and not in the image of God, Adam.
So far, your contradiction of Scripture does not make you look very wise. Abel means "vanity", and is used in Ecclesiates. "Cain kills Abel" means "desire for possessions kills your dreams". That's just the translation.
Gen.1:11 … Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself
This is the trees created to reproduce themselves by their own seed IN the tree IN ITSELF.
"in itself" is not in the Hebrew. I don't think you need the assumption, so nothing is disqualified.
And in Gen. 2:9 … the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
What kind of seed is that? Bearing GOOD and EVIL fruit but not in itself.
Where does it say the tree of knowledge of good and evil has a seed?
Where dos this good and evil seed come from. Well the bible talks about seed in the next chapter Gen.3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
But if the tree cannot be shown to have a seed, you cannot draw this conclusion. Actually, it is unlikely the tree of life has a seed, since there is always only one tree, THE tree of life. Since the two trees are linked, it may well be that the tree of knowledge never has another seedling.
The woman eats of this tree twise.
Eve did eat twice of the tree of knowledge. The first evil knowledge was with the serpent. Gen. 3:13 The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.
Second time she did eat of the knowledge was when she went to her husband and made him eat of the knowledge.
It does not say that, but I see no harm in constructive eating being implied.
He was the good knowledge knowing the tree of knowledge, Eve. Gen. 3:6 … she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
This is the second time she eat of the tree. Unto her husband WITH HER. Once more time. And this second time was the good seed delivered to the tree of knowledge, Eve.
With her is not in the original text.
Gen. 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
The other incident of this kind is when Judas Iscariot died the same way.
Matt.27:5 And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself.
Acts 1:18 Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.
Judas did not just die. He died in the image of the serpent. Head crushed. Belly split open. Eat dust.
Granted both have a belly affected. But where does it say the serpent burst open? Where does it say Judas WENT on the ground? The serpent was cursed in GARDEN created by God; Judas died in a FIELD bought. Judas was too dead to eat anything. I see almost no similarity at all.
Gen.4:15 … Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold.
Why sevenfold? Because he received a gift of grace, a wife. A daughter of Adam with the nature of the 7th day.
Where is that reason in Scripture. For that matter, where is the proof Cain received a wife on the 7th day. He had one, but we know almost nothing of her, not even her name.
The number of mankind in Adam is 7 because of Adam being obedient to death, deep sleep. And God finished his work on the 7th day by resurrection from the death. Adam brought back to life on the 7th day. This is why Adam´s number is 7 and the number of the beast which is also the number of a man 6 is a mystery.
Where is the evidence that 7 associates to being obedient unto death? I would think it's the number of rest (Sabbath). Adam was very much alive when he woke up. Jesus, in fact, says death is not sleep, when He raises the little girl "She is not dead, just asleep."
Gen.2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made
The end of the work of God was not completely ended when Jesus said “IT IS FINISHED” John 19:30 But it ended to perfection when Jesus was risen from the grave on the 3rd day.
The end of the work of God was not ended when Adam went to DEEP SLEEP. It was finished when he was risen from the dead into the 7th day.
But it says God ended His work on the sixth day. No day is given for the deep sleep. It cannot be the 7th day, because God rested that day.
As also Jesus did to Judas, when he sent Judas out to the outer darkness. He ended up hanging himself without hope and without God in this world.
John 13:18 I speak not of you all: I know whom I have chosen: but that the scripture may be fulfilled, He that eateth bread with me hath lifted up his heel against me.
John 13:27 And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly.
By these words Jesus send Judas into his certain death.
And John 13:28 Now no man at the table knew for what intent he spake this unto him.
But now we do know. He condemned the seed of the serpent to death. That was his work. To put and end to the enmity between the two parts fighting. Flesh against flesh. The gentile enmity against the people of God. Enmity put in between them by the word of God from the beginning. I put enmity…Gen.3:15
Lifting a heel is not crushing. It is a wrestling expression from Jesus' day, meaning to trip someone. To bruise the head of a serpent, you put your heel down, not lift it up.
The serpent being the most subtile beast of the field. Almost human. Created to be almost like the God image. Gifted with the ability to reason and speak makes him the perfect image of antichrist. Seduce the elect if possible.
Where is God "subtile". A word from the same root means "naked" in the verse above.
Mark 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.
And we now know the result of this evil kind of seduce in the flesh. It created evil human beings who kill for a scratch. Gen.4:23 …I have slain a man to my wounding, and a young man to my hurt.
How does "to my hurt" mean "for a scratch"? The verse refers to Lamech being wounded and hurt in the heart for accidental killing. The Jews interpret it that he killed Cain by accident after he went blind, and when his son told him, we was so shocked that he accidently killed his son. Both were an offense against God, and that's why he was hurt.
Evilness inherited in the generation of Cain and his father the serpent. The mystery of iniquity in the flesh revealed.
This is another conclusion. You have not shown Adam is the serpent.
2.Tess.2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
The spiritual iniquity starts of at the same way. The church led astray from the GOOD seed of God, giving birth to evil Christianity born of the devil. Foretold by the prophet Paul in 2.Cor.11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
The church of God, in danger of being seduced, the REAL woman, the church. And this fear of Paul in 2.Cor.11:13 is what came to pass and created the synagogue of Satan found in Rev.2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich ) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
That is Scripture and of course correct. It proves the Bride of Christ, as a woman, can be compared to Eve, when it is seduced by Satan, who Revelation says is the serpent.
This synagogue was born of the woman, the church. The woman is the church in the spiritual world. The spiritual world came with Jesus Christ the Life Creating Spirit. 1.Cor.15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
Please quote the Scripture that shows the synagogue is born of the church. I can do so, but it will disprove what you are going at. So I'll wait to see if you have a different one.