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That is NOT correct. Paul tell us if we did not have God's laws we would not know what sin is;
"Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin."
And then he states that if there are no laws there is no sin.....NOT that we wouldn't sin;
"Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression."
It's a shame that your fellow members here on the forum would let you think this and not say anything.
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So let me get this straight. You think that me teaching my son God's law and commandments and to keep them is a BAD thing?
And that by doing so I am teaching him to be a law BREAKER?
Are you kidding me? Can you not see what nonsense that is?
Readers....does this make any sense?
Can you imagine what type of world we would have if ALL parents taught their children God's laws and to keep them?
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Go back and read your bible......
Rom.3
[20] Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Rom.4
[15] Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
Paul was talking to ROMANS...GENTILES....NON JEWS!!
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Rom.3
[20] Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Rom.4
[15] Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
Paul was talking to ROMANS...GENTILES....NON JEWS!!
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And even if he was speaking to Jews...your claim is STILL wrong;
For that is NOT what Paul said regardless of who he was speaking to. For Paul said the following....
"Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin."
"Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression."
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Ok Mark54....I get it....I get it! I'm teaching my family to keep God's laws and commandments and we may be going to the lake of fire for doing so.
I tell you what....I'll take my chances on the day of Judgement when I get to plead my case before the Lord.
Let's see..... "Jesus....I had faith and believed in your word. I believe that you died for my sins. Oh yes...one more thing.....I taught my family to keep your laws and your commandments and we did our best to obey you!"
Oh yeah......I'll take my chances with that all day long! Do you know why? Because I know my God is a merciful and fair God! He knows my heart and my mind. If He throws me in the fire for obeying His word and keeping His commandments then He would have lied! And the God I serve cannot lie!
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You still can't address the issue can you. There is no Gospel according to a righteousness of obediance to the law. Such a belief has to do great damage to any sincere follower of Christ who would believe it, if you understood the core of Paul's message on salvation you would understand this to be true.;
I repeat, there is no Christian Gospel according to a righteousness of law keeping, none whatsoever.
I repeat, there is no Christian Gospel according to a righteousness of law keeping, none whatsoever.
1 Corinthians 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: but we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; but unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
2 Co. 9.15. Thanks be unto God for his unspeakable gift.
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. (KJV)
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Heb 6:4-6 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, and have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, if they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Jn. 3.16. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever belleveth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Jn. 4.10. Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee. Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.
Ro. 6.23. For the wages of sin death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Ro. 8.32. He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
2 Co. 9.15. Thanks be unto God for his unspeakable gift.
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. (KJV)
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Heb 6:4-6 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, and have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, if they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Jn. 3.16. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever belleveth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Jn. 4.10. Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee. Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.
Ro. 6.23. For the wages of sin death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Ro. 8.32. He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
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Are you kidding me?
Of course there is no salvation under the law, for the blood of bulls and goats could NEVER make the comers there unto perfect. The laws of animals sacrifice could never remove sins.
But Paul is NOT saying there is no law at all! What he is saying is that IF there were no laws there would be no transgressions. But we all know that there is YET people transgressing God's laws. They are called SINNERS! These are those He will punish upon His return...those that DO transgress His laws..the ones that ALL mankind are under.
And if there were no laws why would Paul not lust AFTER reading God's law of not to covet?
Why would Paul tell us NOT to sin if there were no laws?
Why would Paul tell us NOT to fornicate if there were no laws?
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Of course there is no salvation under the law, for the blood of bulls and goats could NEVER make the comers there unto perfect. The laws of animals sacrifice could never remove sins.
But Paul is NOT saying there is no law at all! What he is saying is that IF there were no laws there would be no transgressions. But we all know that there is YET people transgressing God's laws. They are called SINNERS! These are those He will punish upon His return...those that DO transgress His laws..the ones that ALL mankind are under.
And if there were no laws why would Paul not lust AFTER reading God's law of not to covet?
Why would Paul tell us NOT to sin if there were no laws?
Why would Paul tell us NOT to fornicate if there were no laws?
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Mark...let's get past this. It's not that I'm not addressing...it's just that we have different views of the scriptures. I have no problem with you not accepting what I know to be true; that Paul speaks of 2 laws throughout his writings. Nor am I trying to change your mind to see it my way. Let's get past this. It's ok if we do not agree. I'm fine...me and mine will be ok. I'll plead my case before the Lord and take my chances. Really....it will be alright! I trust and have faith in my God! He says to obey...I will obey. He says to flee....we will flee! That's having faith in God's word.
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Has your minister not explained all of this to you?
When the commandment came to Paul 'Thou shalt not covet' sin, taking occasion by the commandment that was Holy and good wrought all manner of concupiscence in Paul
Rom 7:7&8
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The above is why YOU CANNOT have a righteousness of law keeping
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We do not disagree over the need to be obediant, the disagreement is over a righteousness of law keeping
When the commandment came to Paul 'Thou shalt not covet' sin, taking occasion by the commandment that was Holy and good wrought all manner of concupiscence in Paul
Rom 7:7&8
BTW
The above is why YOU CANNOT have a righteousness of law keeping
BTW
We do not disagree over the need to be obediant, the disagreement is over a righteousness of law keeping
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