Is it a heresy to correct the Greek with the English? Video Response by Peter Ruckman

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ChosenbyHim

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Is it really a heresy to correct the Greek with the English?


Video Response and Answer by Dr. Peter Ruckman



[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1hdZsgYABk[/video]
 

JaumeJ

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It is acceptable always to correct anything when error is perceived whether the origin of error be in Hebrew, Greek, or any language. I did not watch the video but the answer seems obvious.
 

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it is not obvious to the KJV only'ers. They are making the same mistake the dark age church did...kept the bible in Latin until it became an ancient
language and the common people couldn't read it. The KJV eventually will become antiquated as Latin did and then what? KJ only! KJ only!
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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yes it is heresy to claim that a human made translation is superior to God's original revelation...-nothing- is superior to God's word...especially not any human works...

it is heresy and a work of a false prophet to claim that God's original revelation had flaws and that you have a new and better 'advanced revelation'...

it is also wicked to take God's name in vain as ruckman did twice in this video...
 

JaumeJ

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The op questions the validity of correction linguistically based, not on correcting Yahweh, God. The latter is a ridiculous notion.
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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The op questions the validity of correction linguistically based, not on correcting Yahweh, God. The latter is a ridiculous notion.
well you admitted to not watching the video...the intent of the original post is not what you think it is...it is part of a weird agenda...

in the video it is claimed that the king james version is superior to the original texts that came directly from the pens of the apostles and prophets...among other reasons because more people have gotten saved through the king james version than the originals...
 

JaumeJ

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well you admitted to not watching the video...the intent of the original post is not what you think it is...it is part of a weird agenda...

in the video it is claimed that the king james version is superior to the original texts that came directly from the pens of the apostles and prophets...among other reasons because more people have gotten saved through the king james version than the originals...
Being a Bible student you may appreciate another who does not abide by anything written "about" the Word of Yahweh without the benefit of discussion. This attitude would also apply to videos. There are acceptions such as writings of praise, however dissertations are just that, dead words.

Conversing with you directly is worthy, while watching films or reading words about the Word of Yahweh is always questionable.

Again, the text of the OP speaks of linguistics only.

May Yahweh, God, hold you close always, amen.
 

Nautilus

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Being a Bible student you may appreciate another who does not abide by anything written "about" the Word of Yahweh without the benefit of discussion. This attitude would also apply to videos. There are acceptions such as writings of praise, however dissertations are just that, dead words.

Conversing with you directly is worthy, while watching films or reading words about the Word of Yahweh is always questionable.

Again, the text of the OP speaks of linguistics only.

May Yahweh, God, hold you close always, amen.
That may be...for this thread. However if you looked at his other posts on this forum, he is clearly supporting a KJV-only christianity, and promoting a heretical teacher in Peter Ruckman. If you cant put all this together Im sorry, but Rachel hit the nail on the head.
 

JaumeJ

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That may be...for this thread. However if you looked at his other posts on this forum, he is clearly supporting a KJV-only christianity, and promoting a heretical teacher in Peter Ruckman. If you cant put all this together Im sorry, but Rachel hit the nail on the head.
Here is my OPINION, and you know well what that is worth. When the Holy Spirit entered into me, I became aware of much I had never known before. As I began reading the Word for the first time reading the only Bible I could find at the student store, the Oxford Bible, I found myself sharing things with other students almost immediately prior to reading it in the Word. On one occasion, I had to use the conveniences in the Student Union where I found a card in the mirror frame. Picking it up, I read it, and it was a verse from the Word which I had just read. When I returned to my seat to read more, lo, the very same verse was there marked in pen with a box.

On another occasion, I read about Satan being cast from heaven like a bolt of lightening. Sharing this with a non-believing student, he recounted to me how he had read it in Paradise Lost, I believe, as being cast from heaven like a ball of fire. That very evening while exiting the student union with two acquaintances, an astrophysicist and an astrologer, I pointed up to the sky asking them as I turned my gaze skyward, "Do you think it is clear enough to see Comet Benet tonight?" As I turned looking up it was cloudy and where I was indicating with my hand a ball of fire came roaring though the cloud cover, so close it could be heard, and disintegrated right in front of us. Now, it seemed quite normal to me in the moment.

My point is this, when the Holy Spirit teaches a person, he is able to derive the Truth of Yahweh from a cookbook. This is not being flip or funny; this is true.

I love the KJV, but then I love all versions of the Word. When or if they should conflict in something so minor as language, I rely on the instinctive knowledge afforded by Yahweh, God, Himself, to all who are saved. Yes, I use the name Yeshua, because I love the name, however there is no commandment to use it, just as there is no commandment to use the Greek transliteration, Jesus. They are Both our Savior. Any Bible or any language will do when one is saved by the Blood of Yahweh's Holy Lamb. The Holy Spirit nurtures all.
 
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progressivenerdgirl

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I don't mind people who prefer the KJV - it's a decent literal translation - but there are some people who believe ONLY the English version of the KJV is a valid Bible. So - God didn't provide for the Chinese? That kind of heresy would make me angry if it weren't so stupid and typical of Fideistic, emotionalist Evangelicals across this degenerate country.
 
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Tintin

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Progressive, posts that spew hatred. Nice. You do realise not everything is evil, don't you? I agree with you on the KJV-only stance though, that's very refreshing to hear.
 
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progressivenerdgirl

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Progressive, posts that spew hatred. Nice. You do realise not everything is evil, don't you? I agree with you on the KJV-only stance though, that's very refreshing to hear.
Most everything people believe is some variation on evil. Thankfully, most of them behave better than they speak.
 
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jimmydiggs

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Progressive, posts that spew hatred. Nice. You do realise not everything is evil, don't you? I agree with you on the KJV-only stance though, that's very refreshing to hear.
We're told it'll be a narrow path. I think we should expect an alternate which is a very wide path with many lanes, so each can have their flavor. ;)
 
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Trax

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Here is my OPINION, and you know well what that is worth. When the Holy Spirit entered into me, I became aware of much I had never known before. As I began reading the Word for the first time reading the only Bible I could find at the student store, the Oxford Bible, I found myself sharing things with other students almost immediately prior to reading it in the Word. On one occasion, I had to use the conveniences in the Student Union where I found a card in the mirror frame. Picking it up, I read it, and it was a verse from the Word which I had just read. When I returned to my seat to read more, lo, the very same verse was there marked in pen with a box.

On another occasion, I read about Satan being cast from heaven like a bolt of lightening. Sharing this with a non-believing student, he recounted to me how he had read it in Paradise Lost, I believe, as being cast from heaven like a ball of fire. That very evening while exiting the student union with two acquaintances, an astrophysicist and an astrologer, I pointed up to the sky asking them as I turned my gaze skyward, "Do you think it is clear enough to see Comet Benet tonight?" As I turned looking up it was cloudy and where I was indicating with my hand a ball of fire came roaring though the cloud cover, so close it could be heard, and disintegrated right in front of us. Now, it seemed quite normal to me in the moment.

My point is this, when the Holy Spirit teaches a person, he is able to derive the Truth of Yahweh from a cookbook. This is not being flip or funny; this is true.

I love the KJV, but then I love all versions of the Word. When or if they should conflict in something so minor as language, I rely on the instinctive knowledge afforded by Yahweh, God, Himself, to all who are saved. Yes, I use the name Yeshua, because I love the name, however there is no commandment to use it, just as there is no commandment to use the Greek transliteration, Jesus. They are Both our Savior. Any Bible or any language will do when one is saved by the Blood of Yahweh's Holy Lamb. The Holy Spirit nurtures all.
Who do you pray to?
 

JaumeJ

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Who do you pray to?
It should be obvious by what I post. I pray to Yahweh in the name, Yeshua, and I am learned by His Ruach Chodesh.

Now those are transliterations of the Hebrew. Were you to say them in English, I pray to the One Who Is in the name of the Help of Who Is, and I learn by His Holy Spirit.

These appellations have come to be God, Jesus (from the Greek transliteration in turn from the Hebrew), and the Holy Spirit.

Many times when in the room I do not use the original names, however there is no sin in using them, and from my understanding, it is honoring God Almighty.

There is no commandment to use them, but there is no commandment not to either.

To whom do you pray, and why the question in the first place?

I also pray to Abba, Father, God, Lord, Adonai, Eli, and any other of the accepted names for Him respected by the Word, which includes those from the original languages of the Word.
 
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It should be obvious by what I post. I pray to Yahweh in the name, Yeshua, and I am learned by His Ruach Chodesh.

The Holy Spirit would NOT do that. I asked so you would spell it out for others to see.
Gal 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

What you are doing is telling God how He got it wrong and that you know better than Him, what
needs to be in the Bible. It also is saying, "God, if you were any kind of God at all, you would have
not allowed Your name to be lost, so I'll have to do this for You, seeing how You aren't
able to do it."

Got news for you dude, Yahweh isn't God's name. Its a made up name, among MANY made up
names, that people use for reference. No one knows what God's name is any more. Its been
lost.
 

JaumeJ

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The Holy Spirit would NOT do that. I asked so you would spell it out for others to see.
Gal 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

What you are doing is telling God how He got it wrong and that you know better than Him, what
needs to be in the Bible. It also is saying, "God, if you were any kind of God at all, you would have
not allowed Your name to be lost, so I'll have to do this for You, seeing how You aren't
able to do it."

Got news for you dude, Yahweh isn't God's name. Its a made up name, among MANY made up
names, that people use for reference. No one knows what God's name is any more. Its been
lost.
Try to understand the following. One day in 1969 I was totally distraught due to the horrid pain in the world and the injustice of mankind to himself. At a total loss and broken hearted, and without a clue as to Who the Maker is for certain, I locked myself in a room with the intention of not leaving, not to eat or anything else. Holding my hands heavenward, I cried, "You are Who You are. If you are in control of all that is, and there is a good outcome to what seems very evil to me, I would like to know You, and perhaps to serve You." Immediately I fell into a deep sleep, and a dream, unlike any dream I had ever had was given me. Although I do not interpret it completely to this day, it satisfied me that I had been answered.

The following morning everything seems new to me and unfamiliar at the same time. One thing led to another throughout that morning, and while walking across the quadrangle at my university, I was still feeling the presence of God, and talking to Him in my heart, I was saying, "Man is bad, man is evil, mankind is evil......Hey, I am a man. You are It (All)." Suddenly the Spirit of God, Yahweh, came into me, and I have been separated from this world since that day, not out of it, but separate, holy. Yahweh then brought me to Jesus, at that moment. No man comes to Jesus unless the Father draws him to Him

If you believe this is all wrong, well, I pity your thinking and faith. If I call God by His Hebrew name, or Dieu, or Gott, whatever, He is not so haughty as to be offended as long as it is in total respect. He is perfectly humble. His children should be the same, I believe, amen.

Yeshua is my Lord and Savior. You are permitted to call Him by whatever name suits you, as long as it is in respect. Do not tell someone who adores Him that it is wrong or not from God, Yahweh. Were I weak in the faith these words would make me to falter, and who causes the faithful to falter? Beware of your choice of words and your accusations; they will come back on you one day.
 

JaumeJ

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Got news for you dude, Yahweh isn't God's name. Its a made up name, among MANY made up
names, that people use for reference. No one knows what God's name is any more. Its been
lost.
Please forgive my oversight. Yahweh is the transliteration of the verb to be in its gerund form from the Hebrew. It may be totally translated as "Wills to be" or "I Am (in the transitive form.)" If you do not recognize the Word, your declaration is valid for you, but not for those who believe the Word. God said to Moses, "I am." Now He said it in Hebrew, and I am has been transliterated from the Hebrew spelling yod hay vav hay as Yahweh. There are other forms of transliterations of this appellation, Jehova, Yahveh and more, but the most accepted is the one I have clung to.

His name is included in so many names from the Word Elija (EliYahu), Jeremiah (YermiYahu), Isaiah (YeshiaYahu), and so many more including Yeshua. When we say halleluyah or hallelujah we are saying praise Yah, or praise Yahweh.

Now, what is your teaching on this subject for the Body of Christ? Please share.