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Grace is NOT assured? Really? That's the ONLY thing that IS assured!
The gift (grace) that Christ gave to all of mankind IS assured. Did not Christ die for ALL? How can you claim that grace (the gift) is not assured?
"But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many."
Does this not apply to ALL of mankind?
Do you even know the gift that Christ gave?
The ONLY thing that is NOT assured is salvation?
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What did Paul give to the Gentiles first....the milk of the word or the meat of the word?
Paul did NOT dump all of God's words on newly converted Christians all at once. They, as did we, grew in God's word.
Which is why Paul only gave newly converted Gentiles just a few commandments. Do you really think the laws that Paul gave was ALL they had to live by in the beginning?
He later changed a law that he gave them.
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Paul did NOT dump all of God's words on newly converted Christians all at once. They, as did we, grew in God's word.
Which is why Paul only gave newly converted Gentiles just a few commandments. Do you really think the laws that Paul gave was ALL they had to live by in the beginning?
He later changed a law that he gave them.
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You are just digging a deeper hole for yourself.
Are you saying that grace, the gift that Jesus gave, was ONLY given to those that received it? Then that means SOMETHING must be done to receive grace. Is that your claim?
So the actions of Jesus ONLY covered certain people and not ALL of mankind?
Are you sure you want to go with that? Sure don't see too many (likes) for this reply.......wait.......nope.....still none! Where is your fan club? Zone, Abiding......you guys think the same way....that the gift that Christ gave was ONLY for those that received it? That it was not guaranteed but it must be received.....thus putting the acceptance of grace on the individual and not the kindness and mercy of Jesus? You guys think this way too?
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Are you saying that grace, the gift that Jesus gave, was ONLY given to those that received it? Then that means SOMETHING must be done to receive grace. Is that your claim?
So the actions of Jesus ONLY covered certain people and not ALL of mankind?
Are you sure you want to go with that? Sure don't see too many (likes) for this reply.......wait.......nope.....still none! Where is your fan club? Zone, Abiding......you guys think the same way....that the gift that Christ gave was ONLY for those that received it? That it was not guaranteed but it must be received.....thus putting the acceptance of grace on the individual and not the kindness and mercy of Jesus? You guys think this way too?
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Fourteen years later I went up again to Jerusalem, this time with Barnabas. I took Titus along also. [SUP]2 [/SUP]I went in response to a revelation and set before them the gospel that I preach among the Gentiles. But I did this privately to those who seemed to be leaders, for fear that I was running or had run my race in vain. [SUP]3[/SUP]Yet not even Titus, who was with me, was compelled to be circumcised, even though he was a Greek. [SUP]4 [/SUP]This matter arose because some FALSE BROTHERS had infiltrated our ranks to spy on the freedom we have in Christ Jesus and to make us slaves. [SUP]5 [/SUP]We did not give in to them for a moment, so that the truth of the gospel might remain with you.G
Gal2:1-5
Just wanted to emphasise that Paul, the Person who wrote nearly half the books of the NT stated that people who insisted Christians must be circumcised are, to use his words FALSE BROTHERS, and he would not give in to them for a moment so the truth of the Gospel mght remain with the converts
In line with Paul's teaching I would not therefore give in to your beliefs for a moment ECCL, as I am sure no other Christian who believes Paul's Gospel message will either
Gal2:1-5
Just wanted to emphasise that Paul, the Person who wrote nearly half the books of the NT stated that people who insisted Christians must be circumcised are, to use his words FALSE BROTHERS, and he would not give in to them for a moment so the truth of the Gospel mght remain with the converts
In line with Paul's teaching I would not therefore give in to your beliefs for a moment ECCL, as I am sure no other Christian who believes Paul's Gospel message will either
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Let's read the definition of the word 'assured' that is used in the above reply;
assured - undisputable, irrefutable, confirmed, positive, definite, settled, fixed, guaranteed, certain, sure, secure,
So....according to Eternally Grateful, 'grace' is NOT certain for all of mankind. Eternally Grateful claims 'grace' is something that is NOT guaranteed for ALL!
But is that the teaching of the bible? Let's read....
John 1
[29] The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
Rom.5
[15] But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
2 Cor.5
[15] And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
All of mankind will NOT receive salvation, all of mankind will NOT be saved....this is true.
But ALL of mankind was given the free gift (grace) which is the shedding of Christ blood!
Contrary to what Eternally Grateful said, Grace was given to EVERYONE! ALL have been assured the 'grace' of God..whether they will be saved or not, ALL have received God's grace! It was guaranteed to ALL the moment Christ died!
So again I ask....Where is the fan club? Where is the support? Where are all of those 'likes' for Eternally Grateful's reply of, "...grace is not assured to everyone."?
Well Zone, Mark54, Abiding.....do you too agree that "...grace is not assured to everyone."?
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assured - undisputable, irrefutable, confirmed, positive, definite, settled, fixed, guaranteed, certain, sure, secure,
So....according to Eternally Grateful, 'grace' is NOT certain for all of mankind. Eternally Grateful claims 'grace' is something that is NOT guaranteed for ALL!
But is that the teaching of the bible? Let's read....
John 1
[29] The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
Rom.5
[15] But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
2 Cor.5
[15] And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
All of mankind will NOT receive salvation, all of mankind will NOT be saved....this is true.
But ALL of mankind was given the free gift (grace) which is the shedding of Christ blood!
Contrary to what Eternally Grateful said, Grace was given to EVERYONE! ALL have been assured the 'grace' of God..whether they will be saved or not, ALL have received God's grace! It was guaranteed to ALL the moment Christ died!
So again I ask....Where is the fan club? Where is the support? Where are all of those 'likes' for Eternally Grateful's reply of, "...grace is not assured to everyone."?
Well Zone, Mark54, Abiding.....do you too agree that "...grace is not assured to everyone."?
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Grace comes through faith and faith comes from hearing (Rom 10:17)
Rom 5:2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith:
Rom 1:5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith
Rom 4:16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all
Rom 1:5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
Rom 5:2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith:
Rom 1:5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith
Rom 4:16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all
Rom 1:5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name: