Recent content by rogerg

You didn't mention salvation in your list above. Actually, I understand how you came to that interpretation -- It comes about when we only read verses superficially at face value and do not probe more deeply, not realizing that no prophecy of scripture is of any private interpretation, neither...

Just to be clear: 1. Receive the Holy Spirit given as a gift of God 2. Hear the gospel through spiritual ears given as gift of God 3. Trust/believe in Christ given as a gift of God All God's work. None ours.

Did you see my correction to the last sequence you provided? I said it was my mistake - flip 2 and 3

What do you mean? Which scripture?

Sorry, I was wrong. #2 and #3 should be reversed - my mistake

Absolutely.

I don't understand your reply. Verses 3 and 4 are as clear as they can be: that those whom God chose before the foundation of the world have been/will be given ALL SPIRITUAL BLESSINGS, period - no other qualification included nor necessary. It is not possible to force it to say anything other...

There can't be one adoption without the other - both are gifts given by Christ

1. no one of themselves until born-again can correctly comprehend the gospel 2. no one of themselves until born-again can believe/trust in the gospel. 3. until and unless becoming saved/born again, no one will become sealed by the Holy Spirit

You misunderstand. You referenced the bodily adoption as being the ONLY adoption, to support your claim of Eph 1:4 & 5. I am saying the exact opposite of that: that those who have been blessed to partake in both adoptions were chosen to such BEFORE the foundation of the world to be holy and...

No, there are two different manifestations of the adoption described in the Bible : 1) an adoption unto the becoming of the spiritual sons of God, 2) an adoption by God unto our new physical bodies; I.E, a spiritual adoption and a bodily adoption. Both adoptions resulting from being singly...

No, I don't think so. The above verses actually support my position, not yours. Did you read the "predestinated" part? If God had predestinated (see below) those who are to receive the inheritance, then their coming to trust in Christ was as a result of God's action, not theirs. Predestinated...

Paul was an apostle. Those who were the objects of verse 12 were not so, based upon their city of origin, it was based upon sequence (so to speak). They of verse 12, were of those who first trusted in Christ. That is why he used the words "also" in the very next verse(v13) - to distinguish...

Huh? A roast of incomprehensibility, salted liberally with personal assumptions, stewed in a broth of how in the world can I make this fit into what I already believe it should mean. Cook on a low until done. Then, throw it out and don't eat a bite of it cause it'll kill ya. After that, post the...

It is that the apostles were of a kind of firstfruits - first in terms of sequence of those who would trust Christ throughout time -- not that they trusted in Christ first to become saved (if that's your meaning) [Jas 1:18 KJV] 18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we...