CHRISTMAS! COULD THIS BE THE LAST CHRISTMAS BEFORE THE RAPTURE AND JESUS'S RETURN

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CHRISTMAS! COULD THIS BE THE LAST CHRISTMAS BEFORE THE RAPTURE AND JESUS'S RETURN TO EARTH? JESUS SAYS WE WILL NOT KNOW THE HOUR OR DAY OF HIS RETURN BUT JESUS ALSO SAYS WE BELIEVERS SHOULD KNOW WHEN WE SEE THE SIGNS HE HAD JUST NAMED IN MATTHEW CH.24 THAT HE IS AT THE DOOR READY TO RETURN AND THAT TIME IS ""NOW""!!! ARE YOU READY TO MEET JESUS?? WILL SEE JESUS AS YOUR LORD AND SAVIOR OR YOUR FINAL JUDGE? YOU GET TO CHOOSE NOW.
 
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I have had the same hunch you feel.

I have years believing He could come any moment of these days when we fall in selfindulgency.

Besides, that part where Jesus says HIS RETURN is not yet known, teaches against the doctrine of the Trinity: IF Jesus were God, and co-equal, How come He doesn´t know HIS RETURN?

1) He is NOT God, the Father.

2) He was sent by GOD, the Father.

3) He was divine, but not GOD, as solely HE IS (I AM).

I am not ready! I am as I am.

I hope HE SEES me as I am.
 

p_rehbein

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HEY, SAVE THIS THREAD........COPY AND PASTE IT TO A FILE ON YOUR DESKTOP, AND THEN NEXT CHRISTMAS YOU CAN REPOST IT!

Not for nothing, but it WILL save a lot of time and effort................

Now, concerning the OP........................NONE OF US ARE PROMISED TOMORROW, and it's ONLY December 20th...........so how do you know we will make it to the 25th?

seriously,
 

Tintin

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Someone buy him a new keyboard for Christmas.

*And there was rapturous applause*
 

posthuman

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who knows if i will live on this earth
long enough to read any reply to this post?

God knows. let's seek him out while
we patiently wait for his return =]
 
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MOCKERS AND SCOFFERS YOU ARE A PROOF THE RAPTURE IS VERY NEAR!!! THANKS!!!3Know this first of all, that in the last days mockers will come with
their mocking, following after their own lusts, 4and saying, "Where is the promise of His
coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all continues just as it was
from the beginning of creation."…2 PETER 3:3-4
 

Misty77

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Well, you certainly are enthusiastic; I'll give you that.
 
Sep 14, 2013
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Just enjoy and get on with your life rather than being obsessed with the end of it.
 

Tintin

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MOCKERS AND SCOFFERS YOU ARE A PROOF THE RAPTURE IS VERY NEAR!!! THANKS!!!3Know this first of all, that in the last days mockers will come with
their mocking, following after their own lusts, 4and saying, "Where is the promise of His
coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all continues just as it was
from the beginning of creation."…2 PETER 3:3-4
We're not mocking the Christian faith. Your inability to depress the Caps Lock key on your keyboard does not make you a martyr of God's Truth.
 

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GISMYS I read you saying any day could be the last
totally :) we won't know the hour
I am grateful you remind us

I stay as close to Christ as possible
God bless you for sharing your love for God
 
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THE SOON CATCHING UP "RAPTURE" TO MEET JESUS IN THE CLOUDS IS THE BEGINNING OF ETERNAL LIFE NOT THE END. PTL. AND GOD HAS SOOOOOOOOOOO MUCH GOOD STUFF TO SHARE WITH HIS FOREVER FAMILY!! WILL YOU BE CAUGHT UP OR WILL YOU BE LEFT BEHIND ON RAPTURE DAY??? YOUR CHOICE!!
 
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"THAT" would be the BEST CHRISTMAS PRESENT EVER!!!! AMEN!!!
"HE will appear a second time to those who are 'looking' for HIS appearing."
Are YOU looking, or will YOU be left behind??? And yes....He IS coming very soon for His "bride". And NO, there is "NO" scripture that denies the "Trinity"....God bless. \o/
 

PlainWord

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CHRISTMAS! COULD THIS BE THE LAST CHRISTMAS BEFORE THE RAPTURE AND JESUS'S RETURN TO EARTH? JESUS SAYS WE WILL NOT KNOW THE HOUR OR DAY OF HIS RETURN BUT JESUS ALSO SAYS WE BELIEVERS SHOULD KNOW WHEN WE SEE THE SIGNS HE HAD JUST NAMED IN MATTHEW CH.24 THAT HE IS AT THE DOOR READY TO RETURN AND THAT TIME IS ""NOW""!!! ARE YOU READY TO MEET JESUS?? WILL SEE JESUS AS YOUR LORD AND SAVIOR OR YOUR FINAL JUDGE? YOU GET TO CHOOSE NOW.
And in Mat 24 Jesus clearly states that He returns AFTER the Tribulation, not before. Therefore, this will not be the last Christmas unless you think the Abomination of Desolation has already appeared and that the Great Tribulation is over??
 

PlainWord

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MOCKERS AND SCOFFERS YOU ARE A PROOF THE RAPTURE IS VERY NEAR!!! THANKS!!!3Know this first of all, that in the last days mockers will come with
their mocking, following after their own lusts, 4and saying, "Where is the promise of His
coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all continues just as it was
from the beginning of creation."…2 PETER 3:3-4
3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,

23 Then if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or 'There!' do not believe it. 24 For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.


Hmm, I wonder how the Elect can be deceived if they have already been raptured away?

I wonder also, what is this deception Paul and Jesus warn us of? Could it be the Rapture doctrine itself? Is the Rapture doctrine the tool Satan will use to deceive Christians into believing that Christ comes before the Antichrist?

This Rapture doctrine contradicts the Word of God and the order in which "Christ" comes first. The False Christ comes first!! That's just common sense. Nobody is going to believe in the false Christ if the real Christ comes first. Anyone who "goes out" after the first "Christ" will have been deceived, they will worship the Antichrist thinking he is the real Christ all because they believed in a doctrine that was not taught and failed to heed the direct warnings of our Lord and Savoir.

We are given the correct order and clearly warned NOT to go out after the false Christ. We are told to be patient!! Wait for the real Messiah.


Luke 21:

19 By your patience possess your souls.


Rev 13:10

Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

2 Cor 6:4

But in all things we commend ourselves as ministers of God: in much patience, in tribulations, in needs, in distresses,

Heb 6:12

that you do not become sluggish, but imitate those who through faith and patience inherit the promises.

Jam 1:3

knowing that the testing of your faith produces patience.

Rev 1:9

I, John, both your brother and companion in the tribulation and kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ,

Rev 2:2

I know your works, your labor, your patience, and that you cannot bear those who are evil. And you have tested those who say they are apostles and are not, and have found them liars;

Rev 14:12

Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.


In other words, have patience and WAIT for the real Lord and Savior who comes AFTER the False Messiah. If the real Jesus comes first, there would be no need for patience. I mean would there be a choice? We can't rush the Lord's return so it matters not if we are patient. But if the False Messiah, claiming to be Christ, comes first, you better believe we need to be PATIENT and not go out after him. The False Messiah coming first is the only way we would have a choice to be patient or not to be patient. "By your patience possess your souls" this implies if you are not patient, you will lose your souls!!!

Wake up Pre-Tribbers before it's too late. The False Christ Comes First. Satan isn't interested in deceiving the non-believer. He already owns them. He is interested in deceiving the believer!! Satan has done more harm from the pulpit than he has from other media.
 

PlainWord

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"THAT" would be the BEST CHRISTMAS PRESENT EVER!!!! AMEN!!!
"HE will appear a second time to those who are 'looking' for HIS appearing."
Are YOU looking, or will YOU be left behind??? And yes....He IS coming very soon for His "bride". And NO, there is "NO" scripture that denies the "Trinity"....God bless. \o/
You have been drinking the Tim LaHaye Kool Aide too much. Tim LaHaye has made a fortune on this fairy tale.

There is no passage in the Bible that teaches any of these Pre-Trib Ideas:

A return of Christ BEFORE the Tribulation
Christ returning twice
Christ doing a u-turn and taking those he's caught up or gathered to heaven
Anyone who is caught up or gathered receiving glorified bodies

All of the above is pieced together using scripture taken out of context and combined with other passages that are unrelated. The main rapture passage is totally taken out of context. Here it is in context!!

13 But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus. 15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words. 1 But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. 2 For you yourselves know perfectly that the Day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. 3 For when they say, "Peace and safety!" then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. 4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. 5 You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness. 6 Therefore let us not sleep, as others do, but let us watch and be sober.

The above 1 Thes 4-5 passage clearly identifies this return as the Day of the Lord which is AKA the Second Coming, not some made up Rapture doctrine which didn't even exist until 1830. Rapture teaches, PEACE and SAFETY. What happens to those who think PEACE and SAFETY??

Paul goes on to say in 2 Thes 1:

6 since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with tribulation those who trouble you, 7 and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, 8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe, because our testimony among you was believed.


If there was a Rapture, we'd be given rest BEFORE the Lord is revealed from heaven with his mighty angels. The timing is always AFTER the tribulation and NEVER before!!
 

PlainWord

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YES!!! AFTER THE RAPTURE AND MILLIONS SEE THAT THEY WERE LEFT BEHIND MANY WILL CONFESS,REPENT AND ACCEPT JESUS AS LORD AND SAVIOR BUT THEY THEN MUST TRY TO LIVE UNDER ANTICHRIST RULE IN THE YEARS OF THE GREAT TRIBULATION. WHY NOT BELIEVE NOW AND BE CAUGHT UP(RAPTURED) AND MISS ALL THE JUDGMENTS ON A EVIL SIN LOVING GOD REJECTING WORLD!!!! BEWARE AND BE WARNED!!!
 
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[SUP]36 [/SUP]Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy[SUP][ [/SUP]to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.” LUKE 21:36