CHRISTMAS! COULD THIS BE THE LAST CHRISTMAS BEFORE THE RAPTURE AND JESUS'S RETURN

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YES!!! AFTER THE RAPTURE AND MILLIONS SEE THAT THEY WERE LEFT BEHIND MANY WILL CONFESS,REPENT AND ACCEPT JESUS AS LORD AND SAVIOR BUT THEY THEN MUST TRY TO LIVE UNDER ANTICHRIST RULE IN THE YEARS OF THE GREAT TRIBULATION. WHY NOT BELIEVE NOW AND BE CAUGHT UP(RAPTURED) AND MISS ALL THE JUDGMENTS ON A EVIL SIN LOVING GOD REJECTING WORLD!!!! BEWARE AND BE WARNED!!!
not for nothing........but when the Eastern Sky splits........and the Lion of Judah returns.......it will be waaayyyyyy to late to do any confessing and/or repenting...........all that will be left is weeping and gnashing of teeth......time will be no more.......THE END! well, of this world
 

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YES!!! AFTER THE RAPTURE AND MILLIONS SEE THAT THEY WERE LEFT BEHIND MANY WILL CONFESS,REPENT AND ACCEPT JESUS AS LORD AND SAVIOR BUT THEY THEN MUST TRY TO LIVE UNDER ANTICHRIST RULE IN THE YEARS OF THE GREAT TRIBULATION. WHY NOT BELIEVE NOW AND BE CAUGHT UP(RAPTURED) AND MISS ALL THE JUDGMENTS ON A EVIL SIN LOVING GOD REJECTING WORLD!!!! BEWARE AND BE WARNED!!!
Your teaching is FALSE. We were warned about False Prophets coming in the latter days. There is no Rapture before the Tribulation. I challenge you to show me one scripture that teaches the Lord returns BEFORE the Tribulation. Just one!!!
 
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YES!!! MANY WILL DIE AS THE ANTICHRIST HUNTS DOWN AND KILLS THOSE THAT TURN TO GOD IN THE YEARS OF THE GREAT TRIBULATION!!!==REVELATION 6:9-11===I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held. [SUP]10 [/SUP]And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” [SUP]11 [/SUP]Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed.
 
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YES!!! SATAN AND DEMONS HATE THE TRUTH OF THE CATCHING UP(RAPTURE). WHY NOT BELIEVE NOW AND BE CAUGHT UP(RAPTURED) AND MISS ALL THE JUDGMENTS ON A EVIL SIN LOVING GOD REJECTING WORLD!!!! BEWARE AND BE WARNED!!! [SUP]JESUS SAYS TO BELIEVERS==36 [/SUP]Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy [SUP] [/SUP]to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.” LUKE 21:36
 

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[SUP]36 [/SUP]Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy[SUP][ [/SUP]to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.” LUKE 21:36
This is one of the most mis-understood passages by Pre-Tribbers along with John 14:1-2.

In the above passage do you see anything that says we are taken to heaven?

Does "ESCAPE" = "RAPTURED OFF TO HEAVEN"???

What "things" are we to escape? What is the subject matter here? The passages says, "all these things." So, which are "all these things?" Are we to escape the wars and commotions of verse 9 or the nations rising up against nation in verse 10? How about the great earthquakes in diverse places, the famines and pestilences of verse 11? Clearly not as we see these every day. Are we to escape persecution for our faith in verse 12 or being betrayed by family in verse 16? Are we to avoid being hated by all men in verse 17? Clearly not because if we were raptured, we wouldn't be here to be hated. I ask again, at what point in all the events Jesus listed do we escape? Could it be that to be worthy to escape means you will escape God's wrath when Jesus returns?

Lastly, where will the Son of Man be? He returns to earth. Nothing says He comes then leaves again. So if you are counted worthy to be standing with the Son of Man, you are one of the few who lived through the tribulation and were caught up and gathered. You are the remnant.
 
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WOW!!! HOW SATAN AND DEMONS HATE THE RETURN OF JESUS!!!! YES!!! BELIEVERS ARE CAUGHT UP(RAPTURED) 1 THESSALOIANS 4:13-18==But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. [SUP]14 [/SUP]For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.[SUP]15 [/SUP]For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. [SUP]16 [/SUP]For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. [SUP]17 [/SUP]Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. [SUP]18 [/SUP]Therefore comfort one another with these words.
 
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THINK!!! NO ONE HAS SEEN THE YEARS OF THE "GREAT TRIBULATION" YET!!! AND BELIEVERS(THE BRIDE OF CHRIST) WILL BE COUNTED WORTHY TO ESCAPE THESE TRIBULATION YEARS. THE GREAT TRIBULATION YEARS ARE THE WRATH OF GOD POURED OUT ON A EVIL,SIN LOVING,GOD HATING WORLD NOT HIS CHURCH(BRIDE) TRY TO THINK!!
 

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YES!!! MANY WILL DIE AS THE ANTICHRIST HUNTS DOWN AND KILLS THOSE THAT TURN TO GOD IN THE YEARS OF THE GREAT TRIBULATION!!!==REVELATION 6:9-11===I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held. [SUP]10 [/SUP]And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” [SUP]11 [/SUP]Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed.
Dear friend, the souls under the alter at the 5th seal were NOT killed during the Tribulation. They were killed throughout church history. The Tribulation hasn't even started by the 5th seal. If the Tribulation had started these martyrs would not be impatient and be told to wait because they would know that the 7 years were underway.

So many people make the mistake in thinking that the Seals, Trumpets and Bowls are all contained within a 7 year Great Tribulation period. This is false. Nowhere is this stated. If you understand the meaning of the seals, trumpets and bowls you then understand that the 4th seal was opened on 9/11/01.

You need to understand Biblical numbers and what they represent. If you understand that the number 4 deals with EARTH - the 4 Winds, the 4 directions of a compass, etc, then you can know that the first four seals are all dealing with belief systems of man. The White Horse is Catholicism, the Red is Communism and Socialism, the Black it unfettered Capitalism and the Green (Chloros which is improperly translated Pale) represents radical Islam. The first 4 seals have absolutely nothing to do with God's wrath or judgment.

The next thing Pre-Tribbers fail to see is that Satan has a little wrath of his own. Trumpets 1-4 are directed at the earth but this time by Satan. Trumpets 5-6 are the actual Great Tribulation period where the antichrist deceives and kills 1/3 of mankind (mostly Christian). This is so clear from the text.

The Bowls are God's wrath. If you read Rev 18:6 you see that God repays DOUBLE to "HER" Babylon. Study the trumpets. 1/3 of things are being affected. This means 2/3 remain. If God then affects the "all" that's left, he is affecting 2/3 which is DOUBLE what Babylon did.
 

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WOW!!! HOW SATAN AND DEMONS HATE THE RETURN OF JESUS!!!! YES!!! BELIEVERS ARE CAUGHT UP(RAPTURED) 1 THESSALOIANS 4:13-18==But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. [SUP]14 [/SUP]For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.[SUP]15 [/SUP]For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. [SUP]16 [/SUP]For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. [SUP]17 [/SUP]Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. [SUP]18 [/SUP]Therefore comfort one another with these words.
Again you stopped too soon. Wait for it!! Get the context. Paul defines this just two verses later. It is the Day of the Lord.

1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.

2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

Do you see the Lord comes as a thief in the night? But this is only to those who are not watching. You are taking only the verses you like and assigning them to some fictitious pre-Trib return while ignoring the context where Paul identifies this as the Day of the Lord. CONTEXT, CONTEXT, CONTEXT. It's everything.
 
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YES!!! CONTEX!! WHO HATES THE RAPTURE(CATCHING UP) MORE THAN SATAN AND DEMONS???
 

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It is Satan who is behind the Pre-Trib Rapture!! Christ NEVER taught it. Paul NEVER taught it. John NEVER taught it. Everywhere the timing is given it is always AFTER the Tribulation, not before.

Again, you don't even know what the Great Tribulation is. It is the temptation of Satan, coming as Christ, claiming to be Christ. It isn't all the Bowls, Trumpets and Seals. It is only the 5th and 6th trumpet. The Great Tribulation will be the biggest temptation of Satan the earth has ever seen. Jesus teaches this himself. Read it!!

Mat 24:

GREAT TRIBULATION STARTS

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be .

22 And except those days should be shortened , there should no flesh be saved : but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened .

23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo , here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

25 Behold , I have told you before .

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold , he is in the desert; go not forth : behold , he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

GREAT TRIBULATION ENDS

27For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be .
ARMAGEDDON STARTS

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For wheresoever the carcase is , there will the eagles be gathered together .

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened , and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken :

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven:

THE LORD RETURNS
 
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THE RAPTURE (CATCHING UP) IS NOT THE SAME AS THE RETURN OF JESUS TO SET UP HIS KINGDOM. MATTHEW 24:27 [SUP] [/SUP]For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. EVERYONE ON EARTH WILL SEE JESUS RETURNS TO SET UP HIS KINGDOM.
 
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JESUS RETURNS TO EARTH AFTER THE RAPTURE AND THE GREAT TRIBULATION TO SET UP HIS KINGDOM! Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened , and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken :

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: THE RAPTURE (CATCHING UP) IS NOT THE SAME AS THE RETURN OF JESUS TO SET UP HIS KINGDOM. MATTHEW 24:27 For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. EVERYONE ON EARTH WILL SEE JESUS RETURNS TO SET UP HIS KINGDOM.
 

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Look closely at the events between the start and end of the Great Tribulation. It is all about Satanic deception.


GREAT TRIBULATION STARTS

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be .

22 And except those days should be shortened , there should no flesh be saved : but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened .

23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo , here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

25 Behold , I have told you before .

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold , he is in the desert; go not forth : behold , he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

GREAT TRIBULATION ENDS

It is this deception that you have to worry about. Satan isn't afraid of the Pre-Trib Rapture. It is his invention!!! Satan has to rid the world of most of the Christians in order to convince the rest of the World that Christ (in this case False Christ) is real. Right now 1/3 of the World is considered Christian in that they believe there is a God and Jesus. What part of the world is killed at the 6th trumpet? 1/3. Again, what part of the world is represented by Christianity?



Wake up before it's too late. 1/3 of the world isn't getting raptured, they are going to be slaughtered for believing that the False Messiah is the real Christ. They go out and get slaughtered. Satan stages a fake Rapture.

Read Isaiah 65 and Rev 7. The Great Multitude is deceived and killed. That's why they are hungry, thirsty, ashamed and crying in heaven. That's why there is no church on earth during the end and only a remnant left for the real Rapture.

Rev 9:

18 By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.
 
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HEY!! IF YOU REALLY WEANT TO BE LEFT BEHIND FOR THE WRATH OF GOD ON THIS EVIL,SIN LOVING GOD HATING WORLD, THEN MAYBE YOU CAN PRAY AND ASK GOD TO LEAVE YOU BEHIND!!!!!!!!!!! BUT WHY???
 

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JESUS RETURNS TO EARTH AFTER THE RAPTURE AND THE GREAT TRIBULATION TO SET UP HIS KINGDOM! Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened , and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken :

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: THE RAPTURE (CATCHING UP) IS NOT THE SAME AS THE RETURN OF JESUS TO SET UP HIS KINGDOM. MATTHEW 24:27 For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. EVERYONE ON EARTH WILL SEE JESUS RETURNS TO SET UP HIS KINGDOM.
Jesus NEVER teaches that He comes back before the Tribulation!!!! PERIOD. HE doesn't teach it. But what does Jesus say in John 15:15?

15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth : but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.

What does he say in Mark 13:

23 But take ye heed : behold , I have foretold you all things.

Since Jesus has told us all things and has NEVER taught in a Pre-Trib visit to earth to remove the Church, than either Jesus is lying, didn't know (and remember He is GOD), or the Pre-Trib rapture is FALSE. I cannot believe Jesus lied or didn't know so that leaves us with one choice.

If Jesus didn't teach a Pre-Trib Rapture, then Who DID? Who benefits most by convincing people that the Messiah comes first?
 
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AT THE RAPTURE(CATCHING UP)==We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— [SUP]52 [/SUP]in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. [SUP]53 [/SUP]For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. [SUP]54 [/SUP]So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.”[SUP]55 [/SUP]“O Death, where is your sting?
O Hades, where is your victory?”

[SUP]56 [/SUP]The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law. [SUP]57 [/SUP]But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
[SUP]58 [/SUP]Therefore, my beloved brethren, be steadfast, immovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, knowing that your labor is not in vain in the Lord. 1 CORINTHIANS 15:51-58
 
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[SUP] JESUS SAYS TO BELIEVERS AT THE RAPTURE (CATCHING UP) [/SUP]Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth. [SUP]11 [/SUP]Behold, I am coming quickly! Hold fast what you have, that no one may take your crown. [SUP]12 [/SUP]He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go out no more. I will write on him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God. And I will write on him My new name. REVELATION 3:10-12
 

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HEY!! IF YOU REALLY WEANT TO BE LEFT BEHIND FOR THE WRATH OF GOD ON THIS EVIL,SIN LOVING GOD HATING WORLD, THEN MAYBE YOU CAN PRAY AND ASK GOD TO LEAVE YOU BEHIND!!!!!!!!!!! BUT WHY???
THERE IS NO RAPTURE BEFORE THE GREAT TRIBULATION AKA TEMPTATION OF SATAN. We all must be tested, except those represented by the Church of Philadelphia. They know the truth and avoid the trial that awaits the WHOLE EARTH.

Rev 3:10:

10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

It says ALL THE WORLD.

If the church is supposed to be gone, why is Jesus threatening one of the churches with Great Tribulation in Rev 2:22?

22 Behold , I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.

Clearly the 7 churches are on earth when the tribulation starts or there would be no mention of them being cast into it. The phrase GREAT TRIBULATION appears just 3 times in the Bible. Mat 24, Rev 2:22 and in Rev 7 to describe the Great Multitude.

You have already been deceived my friend. The false Christ appears in about 33 months from now. The False Prophet is already here and is leading the First Beast from the Sea of Rev 13. DO NOT GO OUT for HIM!!! Wait for the real messiah who comes when He says He comes and that is AFTER the Tribulation of those days>
 
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[SUP] [/SUP]For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, [SUP]10 [/SUP]who died for us, that whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with Him. 1 THESSALOIANS 5:9-10