CHRISTMAS! COULD THIS BE THE LAST CHRISTMAS BEFORE THE RAPTURE AND JESUS'S RETURN

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GOD GIVES BELIEVERS HIS INSTRUCTIONS== BELIEVERS ARE TOLD TO ==1 THESSALOIANS 1:10==Wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come. WE BELIEVERS ARE CAUGHT UP SO THAT WE DELIVERED FROM WRATH TO COME.
 

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For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, [SUP]10 [/SUP]who died for us, that whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with Him. 1 THESSALOIANS 5:9-10
Correct. We will not face God's wrath but we are not exempted from Satan's wrath or Satan's temptation.

Satan tempted the first man. He tempted Christ. He will tempt us. Then after he is released when the 1,000 years are up He will be let loose to tempt again. It is what He does.

Who is behind the 5th and 6th trumpets? Is it God or Satan??

11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.
 

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GOD GIVES BELIEVERS HIS INSTRUCTIONS== BELIEVERS ARE TOLD TO ==Wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come. WE BELIEVERS ARE CAUGHT UP SO THAT WE DELIVERED FROM WRATH TO COME.
Exactly, but again you have the timing all wrong. When Jesus comes, he brings his wrath. We are not subject to it. That is probably why he gathers his remnant in the clouds first. Then we are with him and safe before he goes out with the sword from his mouth and slaughters all those who are his enemies.
 

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7 Behold , he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Now we are gathered. Then He executes his wrath.
 
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GOD'S INSTRUCTION IS FOR BELIEVERS TO PRAY THAT WE BE COUNTED WORTHY TO ESCAPE THE WRATH,NOT TO TRY TO LIVE THROUGH IT!!!! BUT THOSE THAT ARE LEFT BEHIND ON RAPTURE DAY THAT CONFESS AND REPENT AND ACCEPT JESUS AS THEIR LORD AND SAVIOR MUST TRY TO STAY ALIVE UNDER ANTICHRIST RULE!! WHY DO THINGS THE HARD WAY?? GOD WANTS YOU TO ESCAPE THE GREAT TRIBULATION.
 
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IMHO. THOSE POOR SOULS THAT DO NOT LOOK FOR THE CATCHING UP (RAPTURE) MAY WELL BE LEFT BEHIND. YOUR CHOICE!
 

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AT THE RAPTURE(CATCHING UP)==We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— [SUP]52 [/SUP]in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. [SUP]53 [/SUP]For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. [SUP]54 [/SUP]So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.”[SUP]55 [/SUP]“O Death, where is your sting?
O Hades, where is your victory?”

[SUP]56 [/SUP]The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law. [SUP]57 [/SUP]But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
[SUP]58 [/SUP]Therefore, my beloved brethren, be steadfast, immovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, knowing that your labor is not in vain in the Lord. 1 CORINTHIANS 15:51-58
This passage is totally unrelated to the Rapture or Tribulation period. This happens at the end of the 1,000 year reign. Here is a chart that shows how different this is to 1 Thes 4:

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GOD'S INSTRUCTION IS FOR BELIEVERS TO PRAY THAT WE BE COUNTED WORTHY TO ESCAPE THE WRATH,NOT TO TRY TO LIVE THROUGH IT!!!! BUT THOSE THAT ARE LEFT BEHIND ON RAPTURE DAY THAT CONFESS AND REPENT AND ACCEPT JESUS AS THEIR LORD AND SAVIOR MUST TRY TO STAY ALIVE UNDER ANTICHRIST RULE!! WHY DO THINGS THE HARD WAY?? GOD WANTS YOU TO ESCAPE THE GREAT TRIBULATION.
Whose wrath? God's or Satan's??? The actual Great Tribulation again is Satan's wrath. Trumpets 5-6. God's wrath are the Bowls which are poured out in one hour after we are caught up/gathered. Again it will only be a small remnant of believers left on earth when Christ appears. Satan slaughters the vast majority of them at the 6th trumpet.
 
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LOL!!! SO YOU IGNORE THE INSTRUCTION JESUS GIVES YOU AND YOU CHOOSE TO FOLLOW YOUR DEMONATION DOCTRIN!!! TOO BAD. I WOULD WAVE GOODBY BUT I WON'T HAVE TIME!!!
 

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IMHO. THOSE POOR SOULS THAT DO NOT LOOK FOR THE CATCHING UP (RAPTURE) MAY WELL BE LEFT BEHIND. YOUR CHOICE!
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold , he is in the desert; go not forth : behold , he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

Jesus has warned you!! Don't go out for the first Christ. Wait for him. Have patience and faith.
 

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Learn the lesson of the Great Multitude who get deceived.

12 Therefore will I number you to the sword, and ye shall all bow down to the slaughter: because when I called , ye did not answer ; when I spake , ye did not hear ; but did evil before mine eyes, and did choose that wherein I delighted not.

13 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, my servants shall eat , but ye shall be hungry : behold, my servants shall drink , but ye shall be thirsty : behold, my servants shall rejoice , but ye shall be ashamed :

14 Behold, my servants shall sing for joy of heart, but ye shall cry for sorrow of heart, and shall howl for vexation of spirit.

There are two groups here. Which one will you be in?
 
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NO WORRIES!!! ON RAPTURE DAY JESUS CALLS OUT TO ALL BELIEVERS ""COME UP HERE"" THERE WILL BE NO DOUBTS AS TO HIS VOICE!! BUT YOU???
 

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LOL!!! SO YOU IGNORE THE INSTRUCTION JESUS GIVES YOU AND YOU CHOOSE TO FOLLOW YOUR DEMONATION DOCTRIN!!! TOO BAD. I WOULD WAVE GOODBY BUT I WON'T HAVE TIME!!!
I would gladly believe your doctrine if you can show me any scripture where this can be found. So far you've showed me verses that you interpret into saying things, but I want a clear teaching, not some man-made read-between-the-lines, can see if you close your eyes and look real hard and imagine it.

Any return of Christ BEFORE the Trib
Any u-turn to heaven
Any changing of the living for those gathered or caught up
Any passage where two distinct and separate returns are discussed

John Nelson Darby was credited with this doctrine in 1830. He was criticized by many because he thought he was wiser than the rest of us. He wanted credit and fame for finding something new. The 1800s were an incredible period of Satanic activity. Evolution, Communism, many new and false denominations and of course the Pre-Trib Rapture.
 
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IMHO the 'loud command' will be 'Come up here!" Why? Because...

In
Revelation 4:1, Jesus
said it when He called to John, "After this I looked, and behold, a door
standing open in heaven! And the first voice, which I had heard speaking to me
like a trumpet, said, “Come up here, and I will show you what must take place
after this.”

In Revelation 11:12, the
Lord commands His two witnesses who had lain dead in the street of Jerusalem for
three and a half days to "come up here!"

"Then they heard a loud voice
from heaven saying to them, “Come up here!” And they went up to heaven in a
cloud, and their enemies watched them."

How exciting it will be when
Jesus calls with the voice of an archangel and a trumpet and many waters (in
other words, LOUD!) "Come up here!"

Transcending gravity, hurtling
through space in a glorified perfect body, we WILL come up there, and we will
meet our Groom.

"It will be good for those servants whose master finds
them ready, even if he comes in the second or third watch of the night."
 

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NO WORRIES!!! ON RAPTURE DAY JESUS CALLS OUT TO ALL BELIEVERS ""COME UP HERE"" THERE WILL BE NO DOUBTS AS TO HIS VOICE!! BUT YOU???
If you go, you will be in this group.

14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest . And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.

16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.

17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

The Lord always prefers a small group of faithful solders to do battle so that he gets the glory. Gideon started out with 32,000 men. God narrowed it to 300. This was .94% of the original number. There are 15.3 million Jews (children of Israel) in the world today. 144,000 represent exactly .94%.

1/3 of the world is Christian. Satan slaughters 1/3 of the world at the 6th Trumpet. The coffee is brewing my friend, wake up and smell it before it's too late.
 

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IMHO the 'loud command' will be 'Come up here!" Why? Because...

In
Revelation 4:1, Jesus
said it when He called to John, "After this I looked, and behold, a door
standing open in heaven! And the first voice, which I had heard speaking to me
like a trumpet, said, “Come up here, and I will show you what must take place
after this.”

In Revelation 11:12, the
Lord commands His two witnesses who had lain dead in the street of Jerusalem for
three and a half days to "come up here!"

"Then they heard a loud voice
from heaven saying to them, “Come up here!” And they went up to heaven in a
cloud, and their enemies watched them."

How exciting it will be when
Jesus calls with the voice of an archangel and a trumpet and many waters (in
other words, LOUD!) "Come up here!"

Transcending gravity, hurtling
through space in a glorified perfect body, we WILL come up there, and we will
meet our Groom.

"It will be good for those servants whose master finds
them ready, even if he comes in the second or third watch of the night."
The COME UP HERE was directed at John!!!! Not the entire Christian church. You are so reaching...
 
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CATCHING UP (RAPTURE)(JOHN 14:3) AND IF I GO AND PREPARE A PLACE FOR YOU, I WILL COME AGAIN, AND
RECEIVE YOU UNTO MYSELF; THAT WHERE I AM, THERE YE MAY BE ALSO.
 
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HEY!!!!AGAIN!! NO SKIN OFF MY NOSE IF YOU CHOOSE TO BE LEFT BEHIND!!! THAT IS YOUR FREE CHOICE!!!
 
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GOD GIVES BELIEVERS HIS INSTRUCTIONS== BELIEVERS ARE TOLD TO ==1 THESSALOIANS 1:10==Wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come. WE BELIEVERS ARE CAUGHT UP SO THAT WE ARE DELIVERED FROM WRATH TO COME. [SUP]36 [/SUP]Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.” LUKE 21:36==CATCHING UP (RAPTURE)(JOHN 14:3) AND IF I GO AND PREPARE A PLACE FOR YOU, I WILL COME AGAIN, AND
RECEIVE YOU UNTO MYSELF; THAT WHERE I AM, THERE YE MAY BE ALSO.
 
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GOD GIVES BELIEVERS HIS INSTRUCTIONS== BELIEVERS ARE TOLD TO ==1 THESSALOIANS 1:10==Wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come. WE BELIEVERS ARE CAUGHT UP SO THAT WE ARE DELIVERED FROM WRATH TO COME. [SUP]36 [/SUP]Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.” LUKE 21:36==CATCHING UP (RAPTURE)(JOHN 14:3) AND IF I GO AND PREPARE A PLACE FOR YOU, I WILL COME AGAIN, AND
RECEIVE YOU UNTO MYSELF; THAT WHERE I AM, THERE YE MAY BE ALSO.
God gives us instructions in the bible, Does he instruct you to shout? I mean were in the tells you to use caps everytime you reply to a thread? Seriously is it really that neccesary? Normal people will write in lowercase unless they are shouting. wanting to be heard. Bit like how your doing. Don't give GYSMYS a microphone what ever you do people.