Equal Pocket Rights!

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seoulsearch

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Cristen,

I haven't read any "official" word, but I highly suspect that women's pockets have been shrinking and going the way of the dinosaurs in order to save the manufacturers money: smaller and/or no pockets equals less fabric and less thread, which in turn lowers production costs.

I was also shocked to find that when I bought a pair of pants a few years ago, the back pockets WERE SEWN SHUT!! "What kind of of nonsense is THIS?" I thought, and gleefully plotted to myself as to how I was going to beat the big clothing manufacturer's at their own game. Little did I know.

You should have seen my smug mug as I proceeded to wield one of my favorite weapons (my always ready-for-action, locked-and-loaded seam ripper, of course!) and tore the stitching right out of those supposedly "forbidden pockets."

You can then imagine how dismayed I was when I discovered that the doggone manufacturer actually got the last laugh: the pockets were PURPOSELY sewn shut, because it was a softer-style fabric that couldn't hold the shape of the pocket, and so with the stitching ripped out, the pockets looked half-open and sagged like a hound dog's face when I actually wore the pants.

And nothing is more flattering to a woman's behind than a couple of dragging, sagging sacks hanging down from her backside, right? :rolleyes: Sigh. As you can imagine, I wound up SEWING THE STUPID POCKETS SHUT AGAIN, shaking my fist at the makers the whole time. :mad:

For the past several years, I've been trying to come up with my own prototype with which to make my own pants and shorts. My biggest "wish list" would be a whole heap of pockets in varying sizes with zip closures and the grand finale would be a waterproof cargo pocket that's big enough to safely carry my phone should I get caught in a rainstorm (or on the latest water ride at a theme park!) :D

Alas. Fitting is a bear, seeing as patterns (like ready-to-wear clothes) are designed for rail-thin models, and as you can see from the picture below, four tries (and counting)... and I still haven't quite mastered it.

You can also see the evolution of the back pockets (going from rectangular to what I feel is a more flattering, rounded shape), because the original pattern didn't have back pockets (of course!!!) so I have had to design my own.

Never mind that on the red pair, I accidentally sewed the pockets shut (it must some kind of curse put onto my by the manufacturer of those store-bought pants!) SIGH. Last year I finally finished a 5th and somewhat wearable navy-colored pair--at least no one has stoned me for wearing them in public (yet), so maybe when I (hopefully) get around to it, the 6th pair just might finally be the charm I'm looking for.

All this, just to get a pair of decent back pockets in the way that I wanted them. Sigh.

P.S. If I lived closer to you, we could experiment with adding a little extra room to those short-sighted pockets in that perfect pair of jeans. ;)


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Miri

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You ladies have caused your own misfortune in this area. Men's clothing has real pockets because we USE THEM whereas most women have a love for carrying around large totes instead of utilizing the pockets that God gave them. Just like unused muscles atrophy and wither away, women's pockets have all but vanished.

Use it or lose it baby!!!
Be warned men are next - man bags are becoming very popular :p


 
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You would think it shouldn't have to be said. But, you NEVER purchase ANYTHING, "sight unseen." And that is exactly what buying something online is.
 
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MissCris

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Kim! You understand so well! I’m so glad, because I *think* there are some folks around here who *might* feel like I’m overreacting just a little.

You know, that’s how it first started for me, too- back pockets sewn shut on a couple of very comfortable capris that my mother-in-law bought for me to wear for doing yard work and gardening. The first time I noticed the problem was when I tried to stick my gloves in the back pocket, only to discover what I now consider to be a serious crime. I have zero sewing skills, however, so I simply gritted my teeth, grumbled about it, and went about my work.

How much can a couple of pockets really cost, anyway? A few cents? I would gladly pay even a few extra dollars for pants with proper pockets! I mean, I don’t like to pay more than $30 for any single clothing item, but I would happily pay $35 if my preferred cheap brands would add pockets.

I like your idea, making your own shorts. And they look nice! I was given a sewing machine last spring, I have no idea why because sewing has always been a hill I couldn’t climb, but I’m thinking I should practice...yes, we should get together and design our own comfortable, pocketful clothing :D
 

seoulsearch

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Kim! You understand so well! I’m so glad, because I *think* there are some folks around here who *might* feel like I’m overreacting just a little.

You know, that’s how it first started for me, too- back pockets sewn shut on a couple of very comfortable capris that my mother-in-law bought for me to wear for doing yard work and gardening. The first time I noticed the problem was when I tried to stick my gloves in the back pocket, only to discover what I now consider to be a serious crime. I have zero sewing skills, however, so I simply gritted my teeth, grumbled about it, and went about my work.

How much can a couple of pockets really cost, anyway? A few cents? I would gladly pay even a few extra dollars for pants with proper pockets! I mean, I don’t like to pay more than $30 for any single clothing item, but I would happily pay $35 if my preferred cheap brands would add pockets.

I like your idea, making your own shorts. And they look nice! I was given a sewing machine last spring, I have no idea why because sewing has always been a hill I couldn’t climb, but I’m thinking I should practice...yes, we should get together and design our own comfortable, pocketful clothing :D
Girl, we have "sew" got this... :)

Securely tucked away--right into our (open and fully functional) back pockets! :p
 
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MissCris

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You would think it shouldn't have to be said. But, you NEVER purchase ANYTHING, "sight unseen." And that is exactly what buying something online is.
Of course there’s always the risk of being completely hoodwinked when you shop online...but aside from a few sad pocket experiences, this mostly hasn’t happened to me. In fact, I do most of my shopping online- clothes, shoes, even half of my groceries. It’s a risk I’m willing to take because the rural area I live in requires a long drive in any direction and precious few decent stores in which to purchase pocketless pants :D
 

Magenta

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Jul 3, 2015
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#27
I wear 5.11 pants..... I can fit a jar of pickles in one of the cargo pockets.
That's the thing, Tommy. Women are being deprived of their pockets because we are not supposed to be ruining the "sight-lines" with any unattractive bulges :mad::p;)
 
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Ugly

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#28
Cristen,

I haven't read any "official" word, but I highly suspect that women's pockets have been shrinking and going the way of the dinosaurs in order to save the manufacturers money: smaller and/or no pockets equals less fabric and less thread, which in turn lowers production costs.

I was also shocked to find that when I bought a pair of pants a few years ago, the back pockets WERE SEWN SHUT!! "What kind of of nonsense is THIS?" I thought, and gleefully plotted to myself as to how I was going to beat the big clothing manufacturer's at their own game. Little did I know.

You should have seen my smug mug as I proceeded to wield one of my favorite weapons (my always ready-for-action, locked-and-loaded seam ripper, of course!) and tore the stitching right out of those supposedly "forbidden pockets."

You can then imagine how dismayed I was when I discovered that the doggone manufacturer actually got the last laugh: the pockets were PURPOSELY sewn shut, because it was a softer-style fabric that couldn't hold the shape of the pocket, and so with the stitching ripped out, the pockets looked half-open and sagged like a hound dog's face when I actually wore the pants.

And nothing is more flattering to a woman's behind than a couple of dragging, sagging sacks hanging down from her backside, right? :rolleyes: Sigh. As you can imagine, I wound up SEWING THE STUPID POCKETS SHUT AGAIN, shaking my fist at the makers the whole time. :mad:

For the past several years, I've been trying to come up with my own prototype with which to make my own pants and shorts. My biggest "wish list" would be a whole heap of pockets in varying sizes with zip closures and the grand finale would be a waterproof cargo pocket that's big enough to safely carry my phone should I get caught in a rainstorm (or on the latest water ride at a theme park!) :D

Alas. Fitting is a bear, seeing as patterns (like ready-to-wear clothes) are designed for rail-thin models, and as you can see from the picture below, four tries (and counting)... and I still haven't quite mastered it.

You can also see the evolution of the back pockets (going from rectangular to what I feel is a more flattering, rounded shape), because the original pattern didn't have back pockets (of course!!!) so I have had to design my own.

Never mind that on the red pair, I accidentally sewed the pockets shut (it must some kind of curse put onto my by the manufacturer of those store-bought pants!) SIGH. Last year I finally finished a 5th and somewhat wearable navy-colored pair--at least no one has stoned me for wearing them in public (yet), so maybe when I (hopefully) get around to it, the 6th pair just might finally be the charm I'm looking for.

All this, just to get a pair of decent back pockets in the way that I wanted them. Sigh.

P.S. If I lived closer to you, we could experiment with adding a little extra room to those short-sighted pockets in that perfect pair of jeans. ;)


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Those shorts remind me if the ones Jim Carrey wore in the Truman Show while gardening.
 

seoulsearch

OutWrite Trouble
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Those shorts remind me if the ones Jim Carrey wore in the Truman Show while gardening.
I'm not sure if that's a compliment or an insult, but thank you! :p

The red shorts here actually weren't quite done yet. I still had to add the waistband, belt loops, and turn the bottom edges in and then out again to form a "clean" cuff (no unfinished edges like when you just roll regular pant/short legs up.)

I'm sure Truman would be proud (and, in very high-fashion. :D)
 
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MissCris

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Those shorts remind me if the ones Jim Carrey wore in the Truman Show while gardening.
Which means they’re designed right- what’s good for Jim Carrey to garden in is good for women who are peeved that they have no pockets! :p
 
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I'd guess that these changes are accepted by most women, and that's why the company's get away with it.

And Cristen, did you really question how much it would cost a large corporation to add pockets? The kind of business where greed and cutting corners is a staple behavior?

If a pocket cost the company 5 cents each. And they make a million pairs of pants that's $50,000. That's enough to pay off their slave shop workers for a year and still have $49,500 left.
 
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MissCris

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I'd guess that these changes are accepted by most women, and that's why the company's get away with it.

And Cristen, did you really question how much it would cost a large corporation to add pockets? The kind of business where greed and cutting corners is a staple behavior?

If a pocket cost the company 5 cents each. And they make a million pairs of pants that's $50,000. That's enough to pay off their slave shop workers for a year and still have $49,500 left.

Yes! And this all just supports the many other reasons why women ought to be marching for pocket equality!
 

Magenta

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I'm not sure if that's a compliment or an insult, but thank you! :p

The red shorts here actually weren't quite done yet. I still had to add the waistband, belt loops, and turn the bottom edges in and then out again to form a "clean" cuff (no unfinished edges like when you just roll regular pant/short legs up.)

I'm sure Truman would be proud (and, in very high-fashion. :D)
I really like the rounded pockets! Good job well done, Kim :)
 

Magenta

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Pocket corners just collect lint, any ways :p;):)
 
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MissCris

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That's the thing, Tommy. Women are being deprived of their pockets because we are not supposed to be ruining the "sight-lines" with any unattractive bulges :mad::p;)
A pickle jar would certainly fall under the category of “unnattractive bulges”...however, I personally choose to look at it this way: if I had more pockets, I could store more things on my person, which would then obscure my “sight-lines” and camouflage any “unattractive bulges” that are actually a part of me. It’s a win/win!
 

seoulsearch

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I really like the rounded pockets! Good job well done, Kim :)
Thank you so much, Lady M!

Wish you lived close by... I would be happy to make you a pair.

I've actually made my Mom about 5 pairs from this pattern... But, unlike me, she has the perfect build for it, and the first try fit her almost perfectly with only like 2 adjustments.

Grrrr... :eek:

So if you wouldn't mind being a bit of a guinea pig (but a very well-dressed one ;)), I'd be happy to try. :D
 

Magenta

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A pickle jar would certainly fall under the category of “unnattractive bulges”...however, I personally choose to look at it this way: if I had more pockets, I could store more things on my person, which would then obscure my “sight-lines” and camouflage any “unattractive bulges” that are actually a part of me. It’s a win/win!
Pockets on the chest area of women's shirts or tops puzzle me :confused: A while ago I did notice that PJs are being made with pockets, which seemed a new thing to me, and my daughter (who does a lot of online shopping) said it was for e-devices (she would know, since her phone is never farther than arm's reach away :p).
 

seoulsearch

OutWrite Trouble
May 23, 2009
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#38
A pickle jar would certainly fall under the category of “unnattractive bulges”...however, I personally choose to look at it this way: if I had more pockets, I could store more things on my person, which would then obscure my “sight-lines” and camouflage any “unattractive bulges” that are actually a part of me. It’s a win/win!
Oh boy.

I can just see it now:

"Excuse me, ma'am... Are you carrying a pickle jar in your pocket, or have you just not worked out in a while?"

Knowing my luck... I could see someone asking me this on a first date. :rolleyes:
 

Magenta

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Thank you so much, Lady M!

Wish you lived close by... I would be happy to make you a pair.

I've actually made my Mom about 5 pairs from this pattern... But, unlike me, she has the perfect build for it, and the first try fit her almost perfectly with only like 2 adjustments.

Grrrr... :eek:

So if you wouldn't mind being a bit of a guinea pig (but a very well-dressed one ;)), I'd be happy to try. :D
Thank you so much for the offer, Kim!
However, I cannot remember the last time I wore shorts :eek:
I have a vague recollection of exposing my lower legs
sometime in the last couple of years, but I cannot imagine
what I was wearing at the time LOLOLOLOLOLOL
 

seoulsearch

OutWrite Trouble
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Thank you so much for the offer, Kim!
However, I cannot remember the last time I wore shorts :eek:
I have a vague recollection of exposing my lower legs
sometime in the last couple of years, but I cannot imagine
what I was wearing at the time LOLOLOLOLOLOL
No worries, Lady M!

We can just put sleeves on the shorts and...

I suppose then they would technically be called pants. :eek:

No wonder I get so confused. :p