God, History, Science

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Okay, so I was having a discussion with someone online about their culture. They mentioned something about karma, to which I pointed out comes directly out of the bible. But they said history says that the vedas book was written long before the scriptures. Now, to me in my head since everything was spoken into existence by God nothing existed before he spoke except him of course! So I guess im wondering what is the exact history (dates, times, etc..) and where do I find accurate information?

Also, does anyone else believe that all other "religions" come from the Bible in one way or another their just completely corrupted by the devils lies? For example, the Vedas teaches three paths to salvation knowledge, devotion, and action which sound a lot like Christianity except of course Christ has been taken out and replaced with a false God.
 

Didymous

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To me, it doesn't matter where they come from-just that they're all wrong.
 
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To me, it doesn't matter where they come from-just that they're all wrong.
I agree with that but ignorance is not bliss so its vital to know just in what way the enemy has tricked people in these other "religions".
 

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Okay, so I was having a discussion with someone online about their culture. They mentioned something about karma, to which I pointed out comes directly out of the bible. But they said history says that the vedas book was written long before the scriptures. Now, to me in my head since everything was spoken into existence by God nothing existed before he spoke except him of course! So I guess im wondering what is the exact history (dates, times, etc..) and where do I find accurate information?

Also, does anyone else believe that all other "religions" come from the Bible in one way or another their just completely corrupted by the devils lies? For example, the Vedas teaches three paths to salvation knowledge, devotion, and action which sound a lot like Christianity except of course Christ has been taken out and replaced with a false God.
Karma & The Bible

1. First of all, karma isn't in the Bible, but there is a principle in the bible which is SOMEWHAT SIMILAR to karma (but without the doctrine of reincarnation, and the other mystical trappings of Eastern religion).

2. The principle in the bible that is a "somewhat similar" to karma would be the simple principle that ACTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES.

In science or philosophy we would call this the principle of causation, or cause and effect.
Although scientists only apply this principle to the physical world, even children know this principle is more broad, and at least affects things which are more abstract, like emotions and relationships.

3. Many principles we find in the Bible (such as causation) are also built into nature, and built into our own conscience... so a lost man, without God, and without the Bible, can still arrive at many Biblical principles.

4. Because a lost man can arrive at many Biblical principles without a Bible, as they are attested in both nature and conscience, it is therefore IRRELEVANT to argue which religious book first contained a COMMONLY OBSERVABLE PRINCIPLE. It is irrelevant whether or not the Vedas were written before the Old Testament.

You do not need the Bible, or the Vedas, or any other book to observe certain principles which God created.
I would NOT argue about this issue of chronology.
It is totally irrelevant.

5. This principle of causation, that "ACTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES" is a principle built into nature, and science, and even our conscience - it is a true and observable principle whether you have a Bible or not.

6. To reiterate, this principle is NOT IDENTICAL to karma, but it is "somewhat similar"... and this principle which God created is probably the basis for karma. The idea of "Karma" probably resulted from something like the following natural progression:
a. Lost men observed this principle of causation in the physical world
b. Lost men attributed this principle to something other than God
c. Finally, lost men began to mire this principle in mystical beliefs, and embue it with forces and meanings which were alien to God.



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4. Because a lost man can arrive at many Biblical principles without a Bible, as they are attested in both nature and conscience, it is therefore IRRELEVANT to argue which religious book first contained a COMMONLY OBSERVABLE PRINCIPLE. It is irrelevant whether or not the Vedas were written before the Old Testament.
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One I always took karma to mean "what goes around comes around" which is essentially you reap what you sow. Secondly, I dont waste my time arguing with people especially when I dont have all the factual information. I wanted to know how on earth something was ever written before God spoke the world into existence? But maybe thats one of the secret things that belong to God and I'll never really know for certain. But thanks for the info.
 

Didymous

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Mankind-in general-puts far to much faith in the 'god' of science.
 
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One I always took karma to mean "what goes around comes around" which is essentially you reap what you sow. Secondly, I dont waste my time arguing with people especially when I dont have all the factual information. I wanted to know how on earth something was ever written before God spoke the world into existence? But maybe thats one of the secret things that belong to God and I'll never really know for certain. But thanks for the info.
To answer you directly the first books were written by Moses around 1500 BC. The vedas wouldn’t have been written before that. Although Moses’ starts in a Garden, Egyptian writings (stories) precede them. Even many stories are handed down from the Sumerians who have the earliest evidence of written language. There is probably more historical stories adapted from them. Karma is like your spiritual bank account. When you die, whether you have an abundance or a debt, will determine your reincarnated form or status. That is not taken from the Bible or any previous Hebrew belief.
 

maxwel

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I can't believe in God and not believe in science since God created everything he created science as well.

I agree, there's nothing wrong with science.

The problem with science is that not everything called science is necessarly good science.


Once I debated a scientist, and gave him examples of scientists making all kinds of errors, sometimes intentionally.
He got very angry, and began to shout that scientists were VIRTUOUS, and TRUTH SEEKING, and ALWAYS ABOVE REPROACH.
I said, "Well, maybe we should start with the sin of pride."
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I agree, there's nothing wrong with science.

The problem with science is that not everything called science is necessarly good science.


Once I debated a scientist, and gave him examples of scientists making all kinds of errors, sometimes intentionally.
He got very angry, and began to shout that scientists were VIRTUOUS, and TRUTH SEEKING, and ALWAYS ABOVE REPROACH.
I said, "Well, maybe we should start with the sin of pride."
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Lol, thats true they used a beautiful flower God created and turned into heroin; and obviously the biggest lie ever the Big Bang theory!
 

Didymous

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I agree with that but ignorance is not bliss so its vital to know just in what way the enemy has tricked people in these other "religions".
I can't believe in God and not believe in science since God created everything he created science as well.
I agree with that. I think some people have made science their god, and that's what I meant.