Population Decline and Low Birth Rates

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MsMediator

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Why do many Christians care about population decline and low birth rate? The world is eventually going to end (also in a bad way). I understand people caring about the state of the world, such as morality, war, crime, etc and trying to improve those issues. However, caring too much about population decline, to the point of bashing the unmarried/singles/those without children seems wrong. I think it also shows lack of faith in God. Thoughts?
 

Lynx

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I don't hear any bashing like that though, not where I live in West Tennessee.


I mean, I see a lot of bashing about it online, but everybody bashes everybody about everything online.

If you get a lot of bashing about that where you live, maybe you should move over here.
 

MsMediator

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I hear it mostly online, including unfortunately in sermons/from pastors.
 

Tall_Timbers

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Don't think I've ever caught wind of anyone bashing the birth rate. I think about the younger generations sometimes and wonder how they might find a spouse since so many of them interact with others mainly through devices. Thinking of my own children, I know at least half of them are lonely and there are many lonely people in their generation who don't have the social experience to work on meeting someone they might eventually marry.
 

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Why do many Christians care about population decline and low birth rate? The world is eventually going to end (also in a bad way). I understand people caring about the state of the world, such as morality, war, crime, etc and trying to improve those issues. However, caring too much about population decline, to the point of bashing the unmarried/singles/those without children seems wrong. I think it also shows lack of faith in God. Thoughts?
it seems wrong because it is wrong.
 

notmyown

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Why do many Christians care about population decline and low birth rate? The world is eventually going to end (also in a bad way). I understand people caring about the state of the world, such as morality, war, crime, etc and trying to improve those issues. However, caring too much about population decline, to the point of bashing the unmarried/singles/those without children seems wrong. I think it also shows lack of faith in God. Thoughts?
why on earth would married believers trash their brothers and sisters for being single?? o_O

you're right, it shows a lack of faith that God knows what He's doing in their lives.

i just want to mention it takes a great deal of faith in God to have children, especially in this day. i'm very thankful for my kiddos making me a nana. :)
 

Karlon

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Why do many Christians care about population decline and low birth rate? The world is eventually going to end (also in a bad way). I understand people caring about the state of the world, such as morality, war, crime, etc and trying to improve those issues. However, caring too much about population decline, to the point of bashing the unmarried/singles/those without children seems wrong. I think it also shows lack of faith in God. Thoughts?
is there an official statistic saying christians care about population decline & low birth rate? in my own thoughts, starting decades ago, i wished for population decline because of godless parenting, lazy parents, criminal & selfish parents & the like. by far, i know too many people who should not have had kids. i myself do not have any & never wanted any. also, i have seen just about every set of parents i know failing to teach they're kids about life.
 

HeIsHere

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Why do many Christians care about population decline and low birth rate? The world is eventually going to end (also in a bad way). I understand people caring about the state of the world, such as morality, war, crime, etc and trying to improve those issues. However, caring too much about population decline, to the point of bashing the unmarried/singles/those without children seems wrong. I think it also shows lack of faith in God. Thoughts?
Population decline is a serious issue. Thinking the world is going to end does not justify not wanting to have children.

I think the church should be encouraging marriage, children and family life not guilt tripping people that typically creates backlash and resentment.

If you are single, that is one thing, but I find it a challenge when married "Christians" decide to not have children.

Sadly, the cultural Marxists, bent on destroying the family, the back bone of society have had great success, then of course we have the doomsday prophets telling us we have been in the last days since how long now?????
 

MsMediator

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[QUOTE="If you are single, that is one thing, but I find it a challenge when married "Christians" decide to not have children.
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If the couple doesn't enough funds/unemployed or they think they will be bad parents, I don't think they should have kids. It is commonly accepted that couples need to have their issues sorted before marriage, same with kids.
 

MsMediator

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is there an official statistic saying christians care about population decline & low birth rate? in my own thoughts, starting decades ago, i wished for population decline because of godless parenting, lazy parents, criminal & selfish parents & the like. by far, i know too many people who should not have had kids. i myself do not have any & never wanted any. also, i have seen just about every set of parents i know failing to teach they're kids about life.
No parent is "perfect" and they do not cover all bases on preparing/teaching their kid about life, or meet all of their child's needs. Just about all of my friends complain about their parents about something. Every human relationship is not holy and is broken. That said, there are some obvious examples who should not be parents.
 

HeIsHere

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[QUOTE="If you are single, that is one thing, but I find it a challenge when married "Christians" decide to not have children.
If the couple doesn't enough funds/unemployed or they think they will be bad parents, I don't think they should have kids. It is commonly accepted that couples need to have their issues sorted before marriage, same with kids.[/QUOTE]

All issues should be sorted before marriage for a Christian couple.
 

Lynx

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Population decline is a serious issue. Thinking the world is going to end does not justify not wanting to have children.

I think the church should be encouraging marriage, children and family life not guilt tripping people that typically creates backlash and resentment.

If you are single, that is one thing, but I find it a challenge when married "Christians" decide to not have children.

Sadly, the cultural Marxists, bent on destroying the family, the back bone of society have had great success, then of course we have the doomsday prophets telling us we have been in the last days since how long now?????
Wait, what?

Maybe I misread what you wrote, but it seems your second and third paragraphs contradict each other.
 

HeIsHere

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Wait, what?

Maybe I misread what you wrote, but it seems your second and third paragraphs contradict each other.

Single Christians should not be having children, married Christians should be having children.
 

Lynx

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Single Christians should not be having children, married Christians should be having children.
But doesn't that directly contradict the part about not guilt tripping people?
 

JohnDB

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Why do many Christians care about population decline and low birth rate? The world is eventually going to end (also in a bad way). I understand people caring about the state of the world, such as morality, war, crime, etc and trying to improve those issues. However, caring too much about population decline, to the point of bashing the unmarried/singles/those without children seems wrong. I think it also shows lack of faith in God. Thoughts?
Because of several things that you are NOT addressing.
Legacy descended people tend to understand how to function in a society in ways that are not obvious and how the environment of working and living should be. Something that immigrants do not understand.

Immigrants tend to behave in the manner and customs from the country they left (which was impoverished, war torn, and ruled by petty tyrants)

Live births are a way to overcome the immigrants that move here.

Wages, polite society, and understanding how the systems work and what is available to people are all becoming degraded by this rampant immigration. Not in a direct manner but in an indirect manner as often low skill jobs are way below the poverty line in wages and actually accepted by everyone as "that's just what they pay". But these low skill, low wage "jobs" are actually a result of immigrant ideals being actualized.

On top of this....
There currently exists a marriage penalty in our society and a fear of having children during our economic uncertain future. We all love children as long as we can afford them. Having children that you can't afford is viewed as "hell on earth" with such things as child support and unreasonable daycare costs.

We have an increasing scale for taxes....where a married couple will pay more taxes at higher rates due to having two incomes...again making children dependents viewed as too expensive to have despite the tax deductions/credits they provide.

If you receive government benefits....being married can greatly reduce or eliminate these benefits...and if a divorce happens then you must go through the two year process to re-apply for benefits again. Meanwhile you get to live in homeless shelters or under a bridge somewhere.

Marriage and children are just extremely expensive anymore. A three bedroom apartment shared between three incomes is easy...but between two incomes with extra expenses of daycare, diapers, formula, doctors and clothes....it's very scary.
 

HeIsHere

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But doesn't that directly contradict the part about not guilt tripping people?
No, I do not think so, married Christian couples should be encouraged from a biblical perspective to have children..

People can be taught about what God intended a marriage to be from a biblical perspective without laying on guilt.

If they feel guilty then maybe it is because they are not aligned with God's purpose for marriage.
 

Billyd

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I'm going to stir the pot a little.

Unless a couple can live on one income, they should not have children. IMHO, every child deserves a stay at home mother, and two parents.
 

HeIsHere

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I'm going to stir the pot a little.

Unless a couple can live on one income, they should not have children. IMHO, every child deserves a stay at home mother, and two parents.
And I would add they should hold off on getting married.
 

Cameron143

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Or, people can just follow how God is working in their lives, trusting Him to meet their needs as they walk with Him.
 

Lynx

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No, I do not think so, married Christian couples should be encouraged from a biblical perspective to have children..

People can be taught about what God intended a marriage to be from a biblical perspective without laying on guilt.

If they feel guilty then maybe it is because they are not aligned with God's purpose for marriage.
So it's okay to guilt MARRIED people because they don't have kids? Just because you are married means you have an OBLIGATION to make babies?

Sure am glad I'm single. That sounds rough.