Revelation 14:4

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The 144,000 are innocents from the 12 tribes of Israel who where not in need of cleaning..
The great mulitiude which no man could number are from all the nations and are washed by the blood of the lamb.. Meaning they where not innocents but forgiven Christians..
That cannot be true for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God,so the 144,000 would of had to sin,and in need of a savior,and they are not the angels that did not rebel against God.

The Bible says that God will restore the kingdom on earth to Israel in the future,in which there will be no operating Gentile government.

Christ is the firstfruits to the spiritual kingdom of God.

The Bible says the 144,000 are firstfruits unto God and the Lamb,which they might be the firstfruits to the restoration of the kingdom of Israel in the future,which will include more Jews than them that Jesus saved at the battle of Armageddon,for all Israel shall be saved,and God turned the nation of Israel to the truth,and Jesus and the saints,Jew and Gentile,shall rule over those that God spared.

But they would of had to sin,for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God that has been born of women.

Also Jesus said that of those born of women there has not been a greater than John the Baptist,and he would of sinned at one time,for all born of women will sin before they are right with God.

They were virgins,and have not been defiled with women,might mean in the spiritual sense concerning religious ways,and a married man is not defiled,for the bed is undefiled,but they might be actual virgins,but they would of had to sin at one time before they were right with God.

The only way a human can be sinless is if they are God manifest in the flesh,which they are not.

Unless you are saying they are innocents that they have been Messianic Jews their whole lives when they did turn to Christ,and did not fall for any deception of the world.
 

EarsToHear

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Revelation 14:4 These are they that were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.


This is presenting the 144,000 of Israel, along with the many others who did not take the Antichrist's mark of the beast. They come from all races and peoples, and they did not defile themselves. "Defiled with women" is in reference to being deceived by other religions, as well as Satan and his system.

A "virgin" is "a pure, undefiled bride, that upon marriage presents herself pure and chaste to their husband". In Isaiah 62:5, and 6 foretold of what Revelation 14:4 is saying.


Isaiah 62:5 For as a young man marrieth a virgin, so shall thy sons marry thee [Christ]: and as the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, so shall thy God rejoice over thee.

Isaiah 62:6 I have set watchmen upon the walls, O Jerusalem [referring to Christ's church today] which shall never hold their peace day or night: they make mention of the Lord, keep not silent.

Spiritually, these virgins are Christ's church, His elect, with no reference to gender. They were the "watchmen on the wall" who knew when the enemy was to come and went not into the false Christ's chambers [churches]. They knew their husband and waited for Him, and His appointed time.

There is no secret when this wedding is, for it will be at the sounding of the seventh trumpet.

God gave us His Bible, and it is our instructions, to keep us from attending the wrong wedding. However, most Christians simply don't care to know when the wedding date is set for.

This "virgin", or bride of Christ will "follow the Lamb", by their study of God's Word, and will know the voice of the true Lamb; not the lamb that has the voice of the dragon as we saw in Revelation 13:11. This virgin bride, or 144,000 of Israel, are the firstfruits, even before those who allowed the Holy Spirit to speak through them. The "firstfruits" are not those taken in any rapture, because there is no rapture, and those relying on a rapture will be taken by the Antichrist, the wrong husband.


The "elect" of God are the firstfruits in the age that was; that first earth age that ended with the flood of Genesis 1:2. The "elect" will stand also for Christ in this earth age, however, the 144,000 sealed of God are overcomers only from and in this earth age of the flesh.

They are not the only overcomers, but they are the firstfruits of God, and the Lamb [Christ]. They were lost souls in the first earth age.