Should people who don’t live in that country, have an opinion on that country’s problem?

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I was just thinking about it, since most of us are from a variety of places, should we have opinions on different countries?

Like should someone who doesn’t live in Texas, should they have an opinion on Texas’s huge illegal immigration problem? Like I know Illegal immigration occurs everywhere, with any place that share a border, but I know situations are different everywhere, because God made us all unique and we are human, we are flawed because we live in fallen world.

This could also work on the flip side of “Should Americans be concerned about stuff that happens in Europe, like Brexit?”, I know Brexit already happen but just showing how this could be applied the other way around.

Overall, I think it’s a very gray issue, like a person can research and stay informed, but someone could argue they don’t truly know, if they haven’t experienced going down to the Mexican market in San Antonio, or having to deal with a customer that doesn’t know English, etc. It can also be argued that those people are thinking of emotions first rather than facts, I agree facts matter over emotion, but I think living through a difficult state problem, is a lot more different than seeing what experts say. Both sides have there pros and cons, which is why I think this is a gray issue.

Post what you think and remember, please be civil, if you see someone you don’t agree with, maybe just leave a dislike and move on. Most of us on here already know, most people on here are too stubborn to change opinions, but I honestly like hearing what everyone has to say ^_^
 

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I prefer not to "should" on myself, or on anyone else.

Given the international nature of commerce, entertainment, media, and even the gospel, I think it's natural that we have opinions about other places and their problems. Whether we choose to share those opinions is a different matter. We are all armchair generals (or quarterbacks) to some degree, and occasionally, distance provides valuable perspective.

This is a discussion site, so it's appropriate to share opinions (respectfully, that is). We can all learn something from others, and usually we learn the most when we listen to those who think differently than we do.
 

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To the title: are we not all family in Yeshua? I welcome all opinions based on the love of our Savior. Our Kingdom has no borders.
 
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To the title: are we not all family in Yeshua? I welcome all opinions based on the love of our Savior. Our Kingdom has no borders.
I agree, I just know how I think, might be different from a Christian living in a different country. I can’t imagine myself living in Africa, but someone contacted me on Instagram saying he talks to other Christians at the local Internet cafe, and his life looks rough. But that’s what is normal for him, but I can’t imagine having such a rough living style to get by in life. That’s what I was trying to lean more towards.

Our differences don’t matter, for as Christians we are together and heading for Heaven, but you can’t help where you grow up, who raises you, and what you end up liking as hobbies, for everyone is different, wonderfully so might I add ^_^

Oh and how that relates to the topic, is that it will be hard to completely understand something you are not effected by, I just noticed we have a lot of opinions on immigration on here, and I thought some of those opinions might not be from USA people, cause all countries are on C.C., which got me thinking and I made this thread.
 

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I was just thinking about it, since most of us are from a variety of places, should we have opinions on different countries?

Like should someone who doesn’t live in Texas, should they have an opinion on Texas’s huge illegal immigration problem? Like I know Illegal immigration occurs everywhere, with any place that share a border, but I know situations are different everywhere, because God made us all unique and we are human, we are flawed because we live in fallen world.

This could also work on the flip side of “Should Americans be concerned about stuff that happens in Europe, like Brexit?”, I know Brexit already happen but just showing how this could be applied the other way around.

Overall, I think it’s a very gray issue, like a person can research and stay informed, but someone could argue they don’t truly know, if they haven’t experienced going down to the Mexican market in San Antonio, or having to deal with a customer that doesn’t know English, etc. It can also be argued that those people are thinking of emotions first rather than facts, I agree facts matter over emotion, but I think living through a difficult state problem, is a lot more different than seeing what experts say. Both sides have there pros and cons, which is why I think this is a gray issue.

Post what you think and remember, please be civil, if you see someone you don’t agree with, maybe just leave a dislike and move on. Most of us on here already know, most people on here are too stubborn to change opinions, but I honestly like hearing what everyone has to say ^_^
I enjoy free speech and will defend it for others.

but someone could argue they don’t truly know, if they haven’t experienced going down to the Mexican market in San Antonio, or having to deal with a customer that doesn’t know English, etc. It can also be argued that those people are thinking of emotions first rather than facts, I agree facts matter over emotion, but I think living through a difficult state problem, is a lot more different than seeing what experts say.
I have this happen all the time with abortion or civil rights issues. Obviously, I will never know all the feelings of pregnancy. I will never know the feeling of a woman who thinks she is being paid less than her male employees. I will never be black either. Facts vs feelings vs morality. The thing about feelings is without the facts they can be misguided. And without morality, both can be misguided. You may not want a child due to fear, you may push for womens equality, you may advocate for African American equality, Hispanic equality, etc. But are those fears, concerns, or issues based on fact, feelings, or morality. Is it amoral, immoral, or moral? Of course, this involves an objective standard for morality. Or else morality is just dictated by mob rule. Who is the loudest and most forceful? The minority or weak gets ruled out if mob rules.

I know abortion is wrong and womens choice is wrong when it includes murder. That is a moral truth. A fact is that the child is living from conception. A fact is most women who have abortions regret it. Fact is many abortion cases involved death, health problems, or reproduction problems of the mother from a botched abortion.

So, feelings are not as important as the top two morality and facts. Feelings can be helped but not by sacrificing morality and truth.
 

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Opinions are like farts. Nobody can tell his own opinions stink because he has been around them so long he can't smell them any more, but he sure can tell that other people's opinions stink.

This includes me, which is why I (usually) try to keep mine to myself, lest I stink up the place and not even know it.
 

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Talking about opinions on things happening in other countries, this reminds me of something that happened one day at w*rk. Somebody said, "Hey Isaac (that's me) you know computers. What's a good kind of computer to buy?"

I'm not exactly an expert, but I know a bit more than the average end-user. The answer to that question is another question, "What are you going to do with the computer?" But none of that matters, because before I could get one word out everybody in the vicinity started voicing his own opinion about "Oh I got this computer and liked it" or "I got that kind of computer and it was total junk!" and the "expert" was left standing there unable to get a word in edgewise.

I have lots of opinions about things happening in other countries. But I don't trust most of the information sources available to me because almost all news sources are biased, so I know my opinions are wrong. On matters like Brexit, natural disasters in Haiti, the population problem in Japan, etc, etc I try to listen a lot more than I talk because I don't know enough to have a useful opinion. Even if I did have one, I don't know how I would be able to use it to change anything.

Besides, almost all the people I know have opinions about all this stuff, talk about them loudly and don't really care what anybody else's opinions are as long as they can get their own opinions voiced. They don't need my voice adding to the noise.
 
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I agree, I just know how I think, might be different from a Christian living in a different country. I can’t imagine myself living in Africa, but someone contacted me on Instagram saying he talks to other Christians at the local Internet cafe, and his life looks rough. But that’s what is normal for him, but I can’t imagine having such a rough living style to get by in life. That’s what I was trying to lean more towards.

Our differences don’t matter, for as Christians we are together and heading for Heaven, but you can’t help where you grow up, who raises you, and what you end up liking as hobbies, for everyone is different, wonderfully so might I add
I enjoy free speech and will defend it for others.



I have this happen all the time with abortion or civil rights issues. Obviously, I will never know all the feelings of pregnancy. I will never know the feeling of a woman who thinks she is being paid less than her male employees. I will never be black either. Facts vs feelings vs morality. The thing about feelings is without the facts they can be misguided. And without morality, both can be misguided. You may not want a child due to fear, you may push for womens equality, you may advocate for African American equality, Hispanic equality, etc. But are those fears, concerns, or issues based on fact, feelings, or morality. Is it amoral, immoral, or moral? Of course, this involves an objective standard for morality. Or else morality is just dictated by mob rule. Who is the loudest and most forceful? The minority or weak gets ruled out if mob rules.

I know abortion is wrong and womens choice is wrong when it includes murder. That is a moral truth. A fact is that the child is living from conception. A fact is most women who have abortions regret it. Fact is many abortion cases involved death, health problems, or reproduction problems of the mother from a botched abortion.

So, feelings are not as important as the top two morality and facts. Feelings can be helped but not by sacrificing morality and truth.
I’m sorry if you thought I was against free speech, but I was thinking about it, I guess what I said could be taken like that. I believe in Free speech, and hate speech does not exist. I just know people really like their viewpoints and opinions, and just wondering if someone who is not native to a country, like the USA, should have opinions on the USA. But as someone said already in here, we learn by hearing those opinions on people living in that country, going through that problem.

For example, most of everything I knew about Brexit was from YouTube and hearing stuff on TV, I don’t think that’s enough to fully understand Brexit. I could do my research, but then I would not understand how it would effect economically from an everyday life viewpoint, cause people in UK actually have to worry Brexit cause it will effect them, I know the U.K. is a major on the trade of goods to other countries, but I mean more towards the everyday life aspect. I know when I was living in Houston and when I drive out to San Antonio/Austin, my everyday life is certainly effected by illegal immigration, cause I see a lot of Spanish everything everywhere, which I can understand cause of we share a border with Mexico, I’m not against culture, but when I remember how my school handouts always had a Spanish section on the back...I actually don’t know what to think maybe, lol. Just realized maybe my thought process is wrong, hmm I’ll need to pray/think about this one.

I definitely agree abortion is bad because the baby is considered alive, even if not born yet, but I just wanna throw this out there, should a rape victim get an abortion? My mindset is that she should give birth, and then put the baby up for adoption, but then I realized is that right? What if the baby ends up raised by a Gay couple? From what I know, Gay couples do adopt children, as they cannot produce their own. So I would just like to hear your thoughts, and possibly other thoughts, on how a rape victim should view abortion.
 

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That's one of those areas where I can't even have an opinion... I am neither a rape victim nor likely to ever give birth.

I'm not much help... But you did ask for our opinions on it.
 
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That's one of those areas where I can't even have an opinion... I am neither a rape victim nor likely to ever give birth.

I'm not much help... But you did ask for our opinions on it.
Agreed, like I can’t even imagine. Like I can research, and from what I know anyone who experiences, be they man or woman, cause men can be raped/sexually abused/harassed as well, it is supposed to be very emotionally damaging. So that’s the my only problem with the abortion thing, what about rape victims?

I’ll always remember this, but I remember watching a video where Ben Sharpio was talking at a college, and some girl, in favor of abortion said: “Isn’t just a mass of cells?”, Ben gave her the GREATEST comeback and debate back, I always remember that when it comes to the topic of abortion. I just can’t but wonder what do rape victims think, not because I’ve been rapped or anyone in my family, but just because I know it’s a real and tragic issue.
 
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I was just thinking about it, since most of us are from a variety of places, should we have opinions on different countries?
I don't have a problem with it, as long as the exchanges are factual and not based on personal prejudices or dislike

with so much access to information available to everyone, information and news travels very fast

with regards to some topics, like politics, I guess people will have a party they prefer and post positively about it and vice versa

with regards to say illegals coming into TX or any state, I would definitely say that is not a state issue only. that would be an issue for the entire country IMO

I think we all should pay attention to world events and not live in a local bubble.
 
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I should add, you did use the word 'opinion', so that's different then 'facts' ;)

plenty of opinions to go around I would say.
 

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I’m sorry if you thought I was against free speech, but I was thinking about it, I guess what I said could be taken like that. I believe in Free speech, and hate speech does not exist. I just know people really like their viewpoints and opinions, and just wondering if someone who is not native to a country, like the USA, should have opinions on the USA. But as someone said already in here, we learn by hearing those opinions on people living in that country, going through that problem.

For example, most of everything I knew about Brexit was from YouTube and hearing stuff on TV, I don’t think that’s enough to fully understand Brexit. I could do my research, but then I would not understand how it would effect economically from an everyday life viewpoint, cause people in UK actually have to worry Brexit cause it will effect them, I know the U.K. is a major on the trade of goods to other countries, but I mean more towards the everyday life aspect. I know when I was living in Houston and when I drive out to San Antonio/Austin, my everyday life is certainly effected by illegal immigration, cause I see a lot of Spanish everything everywhere, which I can understand cause of we share a border with Mexico, I’m not against culture, but when I remember how my school handouts always had a Spanish section on the back...I actually don’t know what to think maybe, lol. Just realized maybe my thought process is wrong, hmm I’ll need to pray/think about this one.

I definitely agree abortion is bad because the baby is considered alive, even if not born yet, but I just wanna throw this out there, should a rape victim get an abortion? My mindset is that she should give birth, and then put the baby up for adoption, but then I realized is that right? What if the baby ends up raised by a Gay couple? From what I know, Gay couples do adopt children, as they cannot produce their own. So I would just like to hear your thoughts, and possibly other thoughts, on how a rape victim should view abortion.
No, I wasn't implying you were against free speech. I simply was stating I support it for everyone no matter what country you come from. Of course, it can still mean the individual is wrong but that also means they can be corrected.

I’m not against culture, but when I remember how my school handouts always had a Spanish section on the back
Proper assimilation involves teaching the immigrant or refugee the American way of life. American civics, American history, English language, patriotism, and this process includes God to even understand American law or American history.

The oath of naturalization says,

"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."

So you see when an immigrant waves around their country's flag while spouting hate for America then they are not renouncing allegiance to their home country. They are not properly assimilated. They took an oath to defend the Constitution and the laws of the US. This includes knowing our rights come from God as inalienable. No government or man has the authority to take those rights in less, of course, you violate the rights of others, you will see the consequences of breaking the law. This has to be done by the individual's free will. Not forced which means they must truly want to be American. So help me God to remind the individual this nation was built with God as its foundation.

should a rape victim get an abortion? My mindset is that she should give birth, and then put the baby up for adoption, but then I realized is that right? What if the baby ends up raised by a Gay couple? From what I know, Gay couples do adopt children, as they cannot produce their own. So I would just like to hear your thoughts, and possibly other thoughts, on how a rape victim should view abortion.
In context, these are a very small percentage of abortions FB_IMG_1600228225573.jpg
But to address it we must ask did the child ask how it was to be born? Does the situation make the child any less than a life? Did the child sin and deserve death? Remember now we are talking about 2 lives.

For a pro-life stance, the women immediately would start receiving professional guidance which includes therapy, medical care, and spiritual care as in love and encouragement. Killing a child doesn't make your mental health any better. Reading the scriptures that speak on how God loved us and knew us before conception.

For example,
Russell Saltzman
Conceived in step-sibling incest.
Fought in the US Senate to stop the use of baby fetal cell research.

Since I am an adopted child, you might guess, accurately, that the circumstances of my conception were not ideal. In the summer of 1946, I was an unplanned, unwanted pregnancy. My birth parents were members of the same family. In fact, they were step-siblings. Very possibly my conception was the result not only of step-sibling incest but step-sibling rape.

There is no question in my mind - given the circumstances, current these days - that my birth mother would have been urged to accept abortion and very likely would have sought one as the means of solving the dilemma I represented. I am unable to look at abortion in any light except those of my origin. When I say that appearing here is a privilege, I hope I also convey my sense of the miraculous, for had my conception occurred after 1972, I would not be here at all.

And suddenly it comes to mind that - having been aborted - the fetal parts that were once me might have become research material for somebody's investigation into the very disease I have come here to discuss.

Adoption is possible, adoptees can also come along the mother to love and encourage her.
Of course, the government needs to step more out of the way and let faith based groups take over. Fund pro-life groups and promote life not death as a national message.

Homosexuality is still like 3% of the nation and if adoption occurs that is still better than death. Moses was adopted and yet he chose not to follow the ways of his family. The child could still grow up straight and find God.
 
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I was just thinking about it, since most of us are from a variety of places, should we have opinions on different countries?

Like should someone who doesn’t live in Texas, should they have an opinion on Texas’s huge illegal immigration problem? Like I know Illegal immigration occurs everywhere, with any place that share a border, but I know situations are different everywhere, because God made us all unique and we are human, we are flawed because we live in fallen world.

This could also work on the flip side of “Should Americans be concerned about stuff that happens in Europe, like Brexit?”, I know Brexit already happen but just showing how this could be applied the other way around.

Overall, I think it’s a very gray issue, like a person can research and stay informed, but someone could argue they don’t truly know, if they haven’t experienced going down to the Mexican market in San Antonio, or having to deal with a customer that doesn’t know English, etc. It can also be argued that those people are thinking of emotions first rather than facts, I agree facts matter over emotion, but I think living through a difficult state problem, is a lot more different than seeing what experts say. Both sides have there pros and cons, which is why I think this is a gray issue.

Post what you think and remember, please be civil, if you see someone you don’t agree with, maybe just leave a dislike and move on. Most of us on here already know, most people on here are too stubborn to change opinions, but I honestly like hearing what everyone has to say ^_^
My view is that not all opinions are created equally. I reserve the right to not respect someone else's opinion(s). I am comfortable with them feeling the same way about me.

That being said, how do people obtain opinions about things they haven't seen or experienced in real life? They don't. They get told what to think by other people that think they know how something really is when actually they've never experienced it. Maybe they saw something on the news or internet and are now suddenly subject matter experts. No shortage of activists with opinions in forums.
 

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I was just thinking about it, since most of us are from a variety of places, should we have opinions on different countries?
Definitely.

Like should someone who doesn’t live in Texas, should they have an opinion on Texas’s huge illegal immigration problem? Like I know Illegal immigration occurs everywhere, with any place that share a border, but I know situations are different everywhere, because God made us all unique and we are human, we are flawed because we live in fallen world.
Yeah, Texas really needs to do something about its huge illegal immigration problem. And I should know, because I live in a country where we sorted ours out.

This could also work on the flip side of “Should Americans be concerned about stuff that happens in Europe, like Brexit?”, I know Brexit already happen but just showing how this could be applied the other way around.
Definitely. I mean, how are those poor Europeans going to learn independence, if their American brothers do not teach it to them? The short answer is that they are not.

Overall, I think it’s a very gray issue, like a person can research and stay informed, but someone could argue they don’t truly know, if they haven’t experienced going down to the Mexican market in San Antonio, or having to deal with a customer that doesn’t know English, etc. It can also be argued that those people are thinking of emotions first rather than facts, I agree facts matter over emotion, but I think living through a difficult state problem, is a lot more different than seeing what experts say. Both sides have there pros and cons, which is why I think this is a gray issue.
I think most of the time, the people best placed to judge an issue are those not directly involved in it. This way, they can speak with independence and without bias.

Post what you think and remember, please be civil, if you see someone you don’t agree with, maybe just leave a dislike and move on. Most of us on here already know, most people on here are too stubborn to change opinions, but I honestly like hearing what everyone has to say ^_^
I hope these comments were civil.
 

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My view is that not all opinions are created equally. I reserve the right to not respect someone else's opinion(s). I am comfortable with them feeling the same way about me.

That being said, how do people obtain opinions about things they haven't seen or experienced in real life? They don't. They get told what to think by other people that think they know how something really is when actually they've never experienced it. Maybe they saw something on the news or internet and are now suddenly subject matter experts. No shortage of activists with opinions in forums.
Did Abraham Lincoln need to experience slavery to know it was wrong?
 

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people can have opinions on anything, so I dont see how people can just stop having opinions, especially if someones ASKING for someone elses opinions on a forum and they know that people can come from anywhere lol.
 

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if you asked me for my opinion on immigration problems in texas I would say...Im sorry I dont live there but tell me some more about what the problems are and I can give you my honest opinion if you really want it.
 
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people can have opinions on anything, so I dont see how people can just stop having opinions, especially if someones ASKING for someone elses opinions on a forum and they know that people can come from anywhere lol.
Well I think opinions are different categories, there are opinions on politics, opinions on science, opinions on videogames, opinions on Muslim religion, etc.

I was only trying to ask of opinions on political/social matters of a different country. I think we can all have opinions on human things, like abortion, because we are all human and have known mothers, people expecting children, struggled with raising children, etc.

But when it comes to political/culture issues, then that’s where it can get muddy. Like I think seeing what happens in other countries is important, but it’s an outsider perspective, it’s not the same as a perspective as someone in that country, going through that issue.

That’s what I was trying to explain, because opinions are different from facts, opinions are usually formed on what we hear, look up, and watch. I just thought it would make for an interesting topic, but hey I’m a Asperger’s syndrome woman, my opinion is nothing but a “speck of rice”, you can chose to listen or don’t to me. As is the case with everyone, but viewpoints are hard cause we all grew up in different places, it’s all part of the human condition honestly.
 
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Definitely.

Yeah, Texas really needs to do something about its huge illegal immigration problem. And I should know, because I live in a country where we sorted ours out.

Definitely. I mean, how are those poor Europeans going to learn independence, if their American brothers do not teach it to them? The short answer is that they are not.

I think most of the time, the people best placed to judge an issue are those not directly involved in it. This way, they can speak with independence and without bias.

I hope these comments were civil.
Interesting opinion, yeah I wish we could handle our illegal immigration problem better, we really are too lax in Texas. Like we stand for what we believe in, but it’s been kind of a stereotype in Texas to say/believe: “The Mexicans who work on yard work that don’t speak English are probably illegal”.

Since a lot of these yard workers, create their own business, and they are more of the “family size”, in other words they run their business, not some big CEO or manager person. Not being mean, it’s just it is, what it is. It’s all part of the human flaw, that we judge before getting to know someone, that’s why we repent and hope to change, but no one will ever be truly perfect, only Jesus.