Susceptibility of Evangelical Groups to Abusive Leaders

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inukubo

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Couldn't exactly find a forum where I thought this would fit, but this trend I've been noticing in our churches in the US has been troubling me and I wanted to vent.

There has been a long list of prominent Evangelical pastors, leaders, and other public figures in the past few years who have been forced to resign from their ministries due to scandals. For reference, I've linked to a recent story about an ongoing issue at Cedarville University by Julie Roys. There are many stories of other examples on her website.

https://julieroys.com/cedarville-pr...-sex-abuser-to-campus-as-more-details-emerge/

Sometimes these scandals are sexual, sometimes not, but they all have a common thread of abusive leadership, bullying, lying, and manipulation tactics. And then a lot of these pastors end up getting "restored" to ministry elsewhere after a short "vacation" and slap on the wrist. My biggest questions about this trend are:

1) Why do we Evangelicals seem to enable so many of these kinds of abusers to get into church leadership? and...
2) Why do we insist on putting them back into leadership after having evidence that they have committed abuse?

So I have a few observations about why we are such easy targets for these people. I hope to generate some awareness and discussion on this issue, since I don't hear many in the church talking about it.

1. We are ignorant of traits of chronic abusers.
Most people aren't aware of the existence of anti-social personality disorders (Narcissistic, Sociopathic, etc.), how destructive they can be, and how difficult it is for these people to actually be repentant and change. I would say church-going Evangelicals are especially unaware.

2. We are generally "nice" people.
If we experience difficulties in interpersonal relationships, our first move is to assume we are doing something wrong or there is a problem with us. When you are dealing with someone with an anti-social personality disorder, there is nothing you can do that will appease them. They are playing by different emotional and social rules than the rest of us.

3. We are Gospel-centered.
Which means we are focused on grace, forgiveness, and restoration. This leads us to be easily fooled when someone tells us with tears in their eyes that they have repented, "seen the light," will do better next time, etc. And we forgive them and give the benefit of the doubt. Unfortunately, we often just place abusers back in places of authority where they can destroy more lives.

4. Megachurches make accountability hard.
While abusers can and do get into leadership positions in smaller churches, it seems these scandals are much more prevalent in large organizations. In large churches, it is much easier for pastors to avoid a lot of contact with small groups or individuals where their anti-social and abusive traits would be more evident. It is also easier for them to evade accountability, because every staff member or elder assumes someone else is holding the pastor accountable. Often, we also see these abusers have actually started the churches themselves (ie: Bill Hybels), so their word is treated as gospel within the organization and no one dares question their authority.

5. Pastoral hiring process.
The typical hiring process for Evangelical churches also lends itself to abuse. Given two candidates with roughly equal qualifications, search committees will almost always prefer the more "flashy" candidate. (Who wouldn't?) Unfortunately, the probabilities are much higher that the flashy candidates will exhibit an anti-social personality disorder -- especially grandiose narcissism -- than the more unassuming candidates. Narcissists especially tend to make good first impressions: they project confidence, grand visions, and ambitions; they seem like people-persons and others are initially drawn to them; they usually have all the "right" answers for canned interview questions; they can spin great stories and are often great public speakers. But they lack Biblical character and integrity. And the vanilla candidates with impeccable character don't get hired or tend to end up in the smaller churches.

6. Celebrity pastor groupie syndrome.
Evangelicals idolize "successful" megachurch pastors, authors, conference speakers, worship leaders, Christian comedians, etc. Often these people have nothing of Biblical substance to offer the Church. Just pop psychology, silly cliches, and a slick resume or Instagram account. This type of fanatical personality worship only serves to pump up narcissistic egos even further and make leadership positions in our churches even more attractive to abusers.

I will likely post my thoughts about some remedies for these blind spots later on, but would love to hear others' thoughts. Have you noticed or been aware of any of these scandals? Have you personally witnessed examples of abusive leadership in churches? Are there any other factors you can think of that may contribute to our churches being prime targets for abusers?
 
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If the scriptures would be read more frequently by more people, without the leaven of men, many of these issues probably would not be so prevalent.

But the reality is that, many professing Christians let the words of non biblical sources direct their heart; not the pure unadulterated word of God. They allow rudiments of this world to alter their course away from sound, biblical, doctrine; and run straight into error. And worse; they teach these errors to others as well. So many theological books, so many Bibles; and yet, so much error.

For the time has come that many do not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts they have heaped to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they have turned their ears away from the truth (2 Timothy 4:3-4).
 
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They are worshipping Baal, not God and Jesus. And as stated in the previous post, they are there for the nice words, the loud music, and to have there ears tickled . They are not in the truth, are not travelling north and more likely they are travelling north west to there impending doom.
 
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Let's not forget the Catholics. Its not just one set of church that this happens with.

The trouble is people blindly following their leaders without questioning things. And being afraid of voicing their opinions.

And people are not on the same page when it comes to how to deal with people in leadership position.

Some will feel that they should continue in their position after doing wrong, and these supporters will help them maintain their position. It does not matter what the rest say, who are seen as unforgiving and harsh.

For these corrupt leaders, Jesus say we must do what they preach but not what they do, for what they preach is not what they do.
 

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They are worshipping Baal, not God and Jesus. And as stated in the previous post, they are there for the nice words, the loud music, and to have there ears tickled . They are not in the truth, are not travelling north and more likely they are travelling north west to there impending doom.
What do compass points/directions have to do with it? :unsure:
That might be a reference to the movie North By Northwest. It's one of my favorite flicks.
 

Roughsoul1991

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Couldn't exactly find a forum where I thought this would fit, but this trend I've been noticing in our churches in the US has been troubling me and I wanted to vent.

There has been a long list of prominent Evangelical pastors, leaders, and other public figures in the past few years who have been forced to resign from their ministries due to scandals. For reference, I've linked to a recent story about an ongoing issue at Cedarville University by Julie Roys. There are many stories of other examples on her website.

https://julieroys.com/cedarville-pr...-sex-abuser-to-campus-as-more-details-emerge/

Sometimes these scandals are sexual, sometimes not, but they all have a common thread of abusive leadership, bullying, lying, and manipulation tactics. And then a lot of these pastors end up getting "restored" to ministry elsewhere after a short "vacation" and slap on the wrist. My biggest questions about this trend are:

1) Why do we Evangelicals seem to enable so many of these kinds of abusers to get into church leadership? and...
2) Why do we insist on putting them back into leadership after having evidence that they have committed abuse?

So I have a few observations about why we are such easy targets for these people. I hope to generate some awareness and discussion on this issue, since I don't hear many in the church talking about it.

1. We are ignorant of traits of chronic abusers.
Most people aren't aware of the existence of anti-social personality disorders (Narcissistic, Sociopathic, etc.), how destructive they can be, and how difficult it is for these people to actually be repentant and change. I would say church-going Evangelicals are especially unaware.

2. We are generally "nice" people.
If we experience difficulties in interpersonal relationships, our first move is to assume we are doing something wrong or there is a problem with us. When you are dealing with someone with an anti-social personality disorder, there is nothing you can do that will appease them. They are playing by different emotional and social rules than the rest of us.

3. We are Gospel-centered.
Which means we are focused on grace, forgiveness, and restoration. This leads us to be easily fooled when someone tells us with tears in their eyes that they have repented, "seen the light," will do better next time, etc. And we forgive them and give the benefit of the doubt. Unfortunately, we often just place abusers back in places of authority where they can destroy more lives.

4. Megachurches make accountability hard.
While abusers can and do get into leadership positions in smaller churches, it seems these scandals are much more prevalent in large organizations. In large churches, it is much easier for pastors to avoid a lot of contact with small groups or individuals where their anti-social and abusive traits would be more evident. It is also easier for them to evade accountability, because every staff member or elder assumes someone else is holding the pastor accountable. Often, we also see these abusers have actually started the churches themselves (ie: Bill Hybels), so their word is treated as gospel within the organization and no one dares question their authority.

5. Pastoral hiring process.
The typical hiring process for Evangelical churches also lends itself to abuse. Given two candidates with roughly equal qualifications, search committees will almost always prefer the more "flashy" candidate. (Who wouldn't?) Unfortunately, the probabilities are much higher that the flashy candidates will exhibit an anti-social personality disorder -- especially grandiose narcissism -- than the more unassuming candidates. Narcissists especially tend to make good first impressions: they project confidence, grand visions, and ambitions; they seem like people-persons and others are initially drawn to them; they usually have all the "right" answers for canned interview questions; they can spin great stories and are often great public speakers. But they lack Biblical character and integrity. And the vanilla candidates with impeccable character don't get hired or tend to end up in the smaller churches.

6. Celebrity pastor groupie syndrome.
Evangelicals idolize "successful" megachurch pastors, authors, conference speakers, worship leaders, Christian comedians, etc. Often these people have nothing of Biblical substance to offer the Church. Just pop psychology, silly cliches, and a slick resume or Instagram account. This type of fanatical personality worship only serves to pump up narcissistic egos even further and make leadership positions in our churches even more attractive to abusers.

I will likely post my thoughts about some remedies for these blind spots later on, but would love to hear others' thoughts. Have you noticed or been aware of any of these scandals? Have you personally witnessed examples of abusive leadership in churches? Are there any other factors you can think of that may contribute to our churches being prime targets for abusers?
I agree with everything you said. I believe in repentance and forgiveness for such Pastors or leaders but many things should be considered before quickly putting them back in leadership.

Of course leaders are human and imperfect but they are still held to a higher standard.

People must consider has the individual truly repented, have put in the effort to change, has their reputation been totally destroyed or not. Have they been in close contact with a fellow leader who could determine are they ready for such a task. And ultimately prayed over to seek spiritual guidance.

Sometimes you may feel it is okay, sometimes even if their reputation is destroyed you may feel it safe to allow them gain forgiveness from the congregation, but if all of these points are negative then they shouldn't be allowed to lead and may even be asked to leave.

It is a honor and high responsibility that no individual should take lightly. The ones who take it lightly, worry me the most.
 

inukubo

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I believe in repentance and forgiveness for such Pastors or leaders but many things should be considered before quickly putting them back in leadership.
Yes. Forgiveness and restoration to fellowship is critical when there is true repentance. Too often though, forgiveness and restoration are interpreted as returning them to a ministry position. We have to realize serving in full-time ministry is not a right and it is not a career -- it is a sacred trust. And like you mentioned, those in positions of authority over the church are to be held to a higher standard.

Unfortunately, even though some "leaders" demonstrate a long track record of abusive behavior, false repentances, and empty promises, we rush to believe their tears every time and plug them right back into ministry. I guess we prefer the image and prestige of the "cool pastor" over being true to the Bible and protective of Christ's flock. :(
 

Magenta

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That might be a reference to the movie North By Northwest. It's one of my favorite flicks.
Yes, quite the cast and crew, there :D

However, referring to compass points like that sounded more like some kind of pagan mumbo jumbo to me :oops:
 

inukubo

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Yes, quite the cast and crew, there :D

However, referring to compass points like that sounded more like some kind of pagan mumbo jumbo to me :oops:
Maybe he just meant that you only have to be a LITTLE bit off of the truth and it can take you a LOOOOONG way from where you thought you were going or wanted to be.
 
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I assume from some of these response, there are people here who do indeed enjoy a rock concert and ceremony in there church, complete with prosperity theology ?
 

JaumeJ

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Any music performed with our Maker only in mind and in praise is fine with me.

I suppose rap would be fine also providing they stick to the Word in their rapping..
 

inukubo

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https://www.craiggreenfield.com/blog/prosperitygospel this guy has saved me a lot of typing, but right here is the problem with said churches and is why there leaderships becomes infatuated with sex and wealth.
He makes some excellent points. Even churches that aren't fully into the prosperity theology can still fall into the trap of idolizing celebrity pastors and worship leaders. Too many of us are putting emphasis on the image and branding rather than the truth of the Gospel and Biblical character in our leaders.
 

Relic

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He makes some excellent points. Even churches that aren't fully into the prosperity theology can still fall into the trap of idolizing celebrity pastors and worship leaders. Too many of us are putting emphasis on the image and branding rather than the truth of the Gospel and Biblical character in our leaders.
Mainline churches are a bane to Christianity. They are like the money changers of old that
Jesus had to kick out of the temple. You have to pay to pray and watch the pastors drive
away in Porche cars or even more expensive. They stand there and bark out the same old
chestnuts Sunday after Sunday, make sure they get their tithes and oh by the way they
don't forget to remind people to pay. They do that under the guise of helping people, but
Shriners and organizations such as that do a better job without trying to kid the people.
We can do much better in small groups or small churches and at least feel the love of Christ
which escapes in the behemoth structures.