The Brexit Thread

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This is quite sensationalistic. You only have to look at Jeremy Corbyn's voting record and political history to see he is made in the mold of Atlee and Bevan, for whom we have to thank for the NHS; the Welfare system; labour rights; union powers; the minimum wage; women's rights and a plethora of other positive advancements in society.

Corbyn is an everyman, not a rich socialite.

By comparison, both Gove and Johnson have an appalling disinterest and even disdain for poor people.

Unfortunately, we live in a time now where those working class folks who would have voted for a Bevan or an Atlee in times gone by, and who worked alongside the Pakistani and Indian immigrants who rebuilt this country, are now the same class of people who have been seduced by the idea that if only they scapegoat immigrants for their own problems and vote for the upper class Tories, they too can join the exclusive socialite club and share the wealth.

It is like handing people a noose to hang themselves with.

I use to vote labour, but not since
Corbyn became the leader. He really needs to move over for someone else.
He is so wishy washy and indecisive that
I’m surprised he can decide what colour
socks to wear every morning.

He goes where the wind blows - that’s
very dangerous and he changes his mind
just as the wind blows and changes direction.

It’s all a mute point anyway, as the Tories are in power.
 

cv5

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Complete and utter fantasy!
By your statement I declare that you do not have eyes to see with. Nothing could be more obvious than the occult imagery on that poster. Nothing. And what you do not recognize is that there is a universe of difference between and unbeliever (for example the EU technocratic leadership) and a believer.

Believers see all of this and understand it. Clearly.
 

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Corbyn will never get in. Everyone seems to be abandoning the Labour Party because of
him. I don’t know why they don’t kick him out.
Abandoning?

Labour has the highest current membership numbers in its entire history.
 

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Miri

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Abandoning?

Labour has the highest current membership numbers in its entire history.
Membership of a party is immaterial
if they can’t rack up the public vote.
 

shittim

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In America we have a large group who consider themselves "independent" whose shift can determine which candidate wins.
 

tanakh

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This is quite sensationalistic. You only have to look at Jeremy Corbyn's voting record and political history to see he is made in the mold of Atlee and Bevan, for whom we have to thank for the NHS; the Welfare system; labour rights; union powers; the minimum wage; women's rights and a plethora of other positive advancements in society.

Corbyn is an everyman, not a rich socialite.

By comparison, both Gove and Johnson have an appalling disinterest and even disdain for poor people.

Unfortunately, we live in a time now where those working class folks who would have voted for a Bevan or an Atlee in times gone by, and who worked alongside the Pakistani and Indian immigrants who rebuilt this country, are now the same class of people who have been seduced by the idea that if only they scapegoat immigrants for their own problems and vote for the upper class Tories, they too can join the exclusive socialite club and share the wealth.

It is like handing people a noose to hang themselves with.
So according to you its all a conservative plot, and those who voted to leave the EU are brainwashed racists. Check out the Pakistani
and Indian immigrants who own businesses and find out how many are Labour voters. Name one country where there are no controls
on immigration. Try jumping in a lorry or boat and landing in one to see how you get on. '' Everyman'' wants to improve his or her
lot in life. Socialists like Corbyn want equality for all. We can all be equally poor under his Marxist view of life. When I was in my late teens and early twenties I was very left wing I went on marches and had posters of Che Guevara on my bedroom wall and owned
an English translation of the thoughts of chairman Mao. Then I grew up.
 

tanakh

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I use to vote labour, but not since
Corbyn became the leader. He really needs to move over for someone else.
He is so wishy washy and indecisive that
I’m surprised he can decide what colour
socks to wear every morning.

He goes where the wind blows - that’s
very dangerous and he changes his mind
just as the wind blows and changes direction.

It’s all a mute point anyway, as the Tories are in power.
My guess is that he doesn't decide his sock colours just sticks to red or at least wears a red one on his left foot which narrows his choice a little bit :)
 

cv5

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CuttingEdge

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He's a bit like Trump with a brain.​
Hmm. Someone hasn't been doing his research.
At A-level (university/college entrance level exam) Corbyn managed 2 Es (40-50%).
Then a took a course in "Trade Union Studies" at North London Polytechnic (on the **** university/college scale that one ranked right at the bottom). And he left after a year.

Like I said above.
Thick as pig----.
 
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...arly-contact-Brussels-focus-taking-UK-EU.html

Britain will break off most contact with EU in NINE DAYS to 'focus on leaving'

  • Prime Minister Boris Johnson has told the EU that plans for an Irish backstop are 'unviable' and 'undemocratic'
  • In an open letter to Donald Tusk he said it risked the 'delicate balance' struck in the Good Friday agreement
  • Mr Johnson will fly to Berlin tomorrow for dinner with Angela Merkel before heading on to Paris the next day
  • Outgoing Council President Mr Tusk was dismissive and said there was no 'realistic' alternative to backstop
  • Brexit Secretary Steve Barclay said today UK officials will now only attend EU meetings 'that really matter'
 

shittim

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No longer being linked to the revived Holy Roman Empire seems to be a good thing.
 

tanakh

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...arly-contact-Brussels-focus-taking-UK-EU.html

Britain will break off most contact with EU in NINE DAYS to 'focus on leaving'

  • Prime Minister Boris Johnson has told the EU that plans for an Irish backstop are 'unviable' and 'undemocratic'
  • In an open letter to Donald Tusk he said it risked the 'delicate balance' struck in the Good Friday agreement
  • Mr Johnson will fly to Berlin tomorrow for dinner with Angela Merkel before heading on to Paris the next day
  • Outgoing Council President Mr Tusk was dismissive and said there was no 'realistic' alternative to backstop
  • Brexit Secretary Steve Barclay said today UK officials will now only attend EU meetings 'that really matter'
The whole thing is a mess. I expect there to be a general election very soon which could give Corbyn and co a good hammering
if the present poll results reflect what people really think. I hope they are and that it will finish him and his cronies. How an
election would change the Brexit situation is anyone's guess. We may still be talking about it in a year from now!!
 

JaumeJ

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Are all aware that Margaret Thatcher's administration did dask to enter the EU? It will be interesting to watch as this saga of Brexit comes to its grand finale.
 
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JaumeJ

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Yes it was the CM with the projected ECU to have been the common currency. Yes the names changed but the proposed purposes remained the same. It was a unity for mutual strength and autonomy. Still watching the outcome….
 

tanakh

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Current one line joke from Edinburgh Festival

Jeremy Corbyn Prime Minister!

You have to see the funny side or maybe not
 

cv5

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Current one line joke from Edinburgh Festival

Jeremy Corbyn Prime Minister!

You have to see the funny side or maybe not

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Before you septics get your knickers in a twist, just understand that BoJo has to be seen to be going through the conciliatory notions so he can then claim he tried to arrange an orderly departure, but the intransigent EU wouldn't negotiate, therefore it's damn the torpedoes and full speed ahead to a clean Brexit.
 

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Dogspurt

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Before you septics get your knickers in a twist, just understand that BoJo has to be seen to be going through the conciliatory notions so he can then claim he tried to arrange an orderly departure, but the intransigent EU wouldn't negotiate, therefore it's damn the torpedoes and full speed ahead to a clean Brexit.
Your knickers appear to be already twisted. What your saying is Boris Johnson is damned whatever he does. If he does nothing he
is accused of promoting a no deal and if he tries to negotiate he is only looking for an excuse for a no deal. Fact is the EU will not negotiate supported and encouraged by remainers who have done all they can to sabotage the referendum result since it was announced. This issue goes beyond Brexit. It calls into question the value of our Democratic system. Corbyn and the rest bang on about a peoples vote. Since the people had a vote in 2016 and Parliament appears to ignore it I question whether a peoples vote any longer has any value.
 

JaumeJ

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Do you know what the negotiations are about? the UK has a monetary debt to the EU. The UK is attmpting to Breexit without paying….
If the UK was willing to assume the reponsibilities it has taken, it would pay up.

Bottom line, it is all about money owed.
 

tanakh

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Do you know what the negotiations are about? the UK has a monetary debt to the EU. The UK is attmpting to Breexit without paying….
If the UK was willing to assume the reponsibilities it has taken, it would pay up.

Bottom line, it is all about money owed.
Now I've stopped laughing I will reply to your comments. Do you think that our politicians are so morally pure that they have tried to prevent us leaving for the past three years all because there is a query regarding exactly how much we owe if anything? Many are
getting a good living from the new Roman Empire just as the leaders of client states did as members of the old one while us ''peasants''
have to pay the price. In 2016 the peasants revolted.