So all of arguments against transgender surgery are of the eww variety. There is nothing in scripture to deny those people the change they need to feel whole. I realize there are lots of non-Christians who are disgusted by transgenders, no difference between us and them. How about a little sympathy for the folks who feel like they need the surgery to be "whole"?
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There is a condition called body dysmorphia where people feel
uncomfortable about their body.
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/body-dysmorphia/
It can get so bad that for example, a person hates their
own arm or leg and tries to cut or off or asks for it to be removed.
https://nypost.com/2015/09/06/this-strange-condition-makes-people-want-to-hack-off-a-healthy-limb/
Just imagine if we said to these people that it’s perfectly normal and
completely acceptable to society if they hate their arm and want to cut
it off. Not only that but they can get specialist treatment to remove
their arm and a doctor willing to carry it out and everyone is suppose to
treat them as normal and as if it’s perfectly acceptable to cut off an
arm or a leg.
They need help not someone to say “yes do it that’s perfectly
normal”.
Now try applying the same thinking to a women or a man who hates
their body so much they want parts removed, added, changed etc.
Whats the difference?
Its not surgery they need it’s help and setting free.
uncomfortable about their body.
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/body-dysmorphia/
It can get so bad that for example, a person hates their
own arm or leg and tries to cut or off or asks for it to be removed.
https://nypost.com/2015/09/06/this-strange-condition-makes-people-want-to-hack-off-a-healthy-limb/
Just imagine if we said to these people that it’s perfectly normal and
completely acceptable to society if they hate their arm and want to cut
it off. Not only that but they can get specialist treatment to remove
their arm and a doctor willing to carry it out and everyone is suppose to
treat them as normal and as if it’s perfectly acceptable to cut off an
arm or a leg.
They need help not someone to say “yes do it that’s perfectly
normal”.
Now try applying the same thinking to a women or a man who hates
their body so much they want parts removed, added, changed etc.
Whats the difference?
Its not surgery they need it’s help and setting free.
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Do you serve hip boots with your manure, because you've been serving enough manure with your post to fertilize a wheat farm the size of Iowa. Here is the manure you've been serving:
1. That you even care. (One visit per week to stir the pot, and off you go to disappear for another week.)
2. That all you were given was "eww."
3. That there is no scripture evidence.
4. That you're lack of opinion or empathy makes you superior. (You're clueless on empathy or knowledge. You can't even produce sympathy.)
5. And that it is no different than a nose job.
There is a word for people like you -- Troll!
1. That you even care. (One visit per week to stir the pot, and off you go to disappear for another week.)
2. That all you were given was "eww."
3. That there is no scripture evidence.
4. That you're lack of opinion or empathy makes you superior. (You're clueless on empathy or knowledge. You can't even produce sympathy.)
5. And that it is no different than a nose job.
There is a word for people like you -- Troll!
I will add my views on this.
The problem is with this kind of surgery is that all it does is to further encourage said person to live in a lifestyle that is not real. It does not fix the problem. People who are confused about their gender need treatment, real proper treatment. And I don't mean the type of treatment that involves taking pills, like anti-depressants. The type of treatment that can help the confused person to see clearly and be set on the straight path.
But in the world we live in today, instead the person is encouraged to go ahead and do whatever they want that will allow said person to live in a fantasy land so they don't have to deal with real life, because after all, from the point of view of these so called experts, it is better to let a person do what they want if it means avoiding hurting their feelings.
The problem is with this kind of surgery is that all it does is to further encourage said person to live in a lifestyle that is not real. It does not fix the problem. People who are confused about their gender need treatment, real proper treatment. And I don't mean the type of treatment that involves taking pills, like anti-depressants. The type of treatment that can help the confused person to see clearly and be set on the straight path.
But in the world we live in today, instead the person is encouraged to go ahead and do whatever they want that will allow said person to live in a fantasy land so they don't have to deal with real life, because after all, from the point of view of these so called experts, it is better to let a person do what they want if it means avoiding hurting their feelings.
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Transgender Surgery is making a statement.. That statement is God made a mistake.. God does not make mistakes.. If God put a person in a female body at birth then thats the gender that God intended that person to live their life as.. Same goes for people placed in male bodies..
So transgender surgery is declaring God to be wrong.. This is 100% anti-christ..
So transgender surgery is declaring God to be wrong.. This is 100% anti-christ..
Excellent post.
This is in reality what it is. So the confused person going ahead with such a surgery, for example, a man wants to be a woman, because said man apparently knows more than The Creator. The man goes ahead with this surgery to get it done, because this man is too proud. All the surgeons and other health professionals involved are in reality agreeing with the said person, and approving this delusional mindset. It is all about "pride" and "money".
This is what it is about. Doing transgender surgery is in the category of rebellion/apostasy.
This is in reality what it is. So the confused person going ahead with such a surgery, for example, a man wants to be a woman, because said man apparently knows more than The Creator. The man goes ahead with this surgery to get it done, because this man is too proud. All the surgeons and other health professionals involved are in reality agreeing with the said person, and approving this delusional mindset. It is all about "pride" and "money".
This is what it is about. Doing transgender surgery is in the category of rebellion/apostasy.
I will be 62 soon. I used to be young. I (kind of) wish I could be young again. If I were to have a face lift and inject my muscles with silicone so it looked like I were strong, that would not make me any younger or stronger.
My chromosomes are male. If I went through the surgery to change how I look, I would still be male, I would just look different.
Looking different does not change the fact that you are who you are. Having surgery to look like your fantasy does not change the truth of who you are. (I have seen photos of people doing some pretty drastic things to their body, like implanting horns, or getting tattoos that make them look like a cat.) This only changes the way you look. It has nothing to do with who you really are.
Some people are old, some are young, some are tall, some are short, some are smart, some not so, some have one color of skin, others have another. God even designs people born blind to honor Him. (See John Ch 9.) God designed all of us to fit within His plan and we best honor Him when we accept the way He made us and live our lives to honor Him.
Nick Vujicic was born with no arms or legs. (lifewithoutlimbs.com) He has spoken to far more people about Christ that I ever expect to. He is honoring God as he was made. Everyone is responsible to honor God the way God made them.
Living in denial of who we are and in fantasy about how we wish were different does not draw us closer to God. It separates us further from Him
But again (as I posted previously), non-Christians, as a whole, have no interest in drawing closer to God through the death, burial, and resurrection of God's one and only Son, Messiah Jesus, or honoring Him with their lives.
So how can we expect them to be willing to conform to God's plan for their lives? (If they did, they would start by accepting Messiah Jesus as their Savior and Lord.)
It is regrettable that our world has fallen into such delusion and deception, but, it IMO is not likely to change anytime soon.
So, our response to "trans-gendered" people should be to show them how God loves them and to lead them to accept that God loves them so much that He sent His one and only human born Son to die in their place and that three days later, God raised Him from the dead.
Indeed, that should be our attitude toward everyone.
My chromosomes are male. If I went through the surgery to change how I look, I would still be male, I would just look different.
Looking different does not change the fact that you are who you are. Having surgery to look like your fantasy does not change the truth of who you are. (I have seen photos of people doing some pretty drastic things to their body, like implanting horns, or getting tattoos that make them look like a cat.) This only changes the way you look. It has nothing to do with who you really are.
Some people are old, some are young, some are tall, some are short, some are smart, some not so, some have one color of skin, others have another. God even designs people born blind to honor Him. (See John Ch 9.) God designed all of us to fit within His plan and we best honor Him when we accept the way He made us and live our lives to honor Him.
Nick Vujicic was born with no arms or legs. (lifewithoutlimbs.com) He has spoken to far more people about Christ that I ever expect to. He is honoring God as he was made. Everyone is responsible to honor God the way God made them.
Living in denial of who we are and in fantasy about how we wish were different does not draw us closer to God. It separates us further from Him
But again (as I posted previously), non-Christians, as a whole, have no interest in drawing closer to God through the death, burial, and resurrection of God's one and only Son, Messiah Jesus, or honoring Him with their lives.
So how can we expect them to be willing to conform to God's plan for their lives? (If they did, they would start by accepting Messiah Jesus as their Savior and Lord.)
It is regrettable that our world has fallen into such delusion and deception, but, it IMO is not likely to change anytime soon.
So, our response to "trans-gendered" people should be to show them how God loves them and to lead them to accept that God loves them so much that He sent His one and only human born Son to die in their place and that three days later, God raised Him from the dead.
Indeed, that should be our attitude toward everyone.
Actually I have prayed and asked God to make sure I know and believe the right things. I came with this question to find out if there was something in Scripture that I was missing and so far there has been no Scriptural evidence given that justifies the view that transgender surgery, after years of therapy to make sure they are making the right decision for the right reason, is wrong. God has given us the technology and knowledge to help people. The attacks on me are unwarranted and disagreeing with you doesn't make me wrong, or bad.