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Miri

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Actually I have prayed and asked God to make sure I know and believe the right things. I came with this question to find out if there was something in Scripture that I was missing and so far there has been no Scriptural evidence given that justifies the view that transgender surgery, after years of therapy to make sure they are making the right decision for the right reason, is wrong. God has given us the technology and knowledge to help people. The attacks on me are unwarranted and disagreeing with you doesn't make me wrong, or bad.

There are many things not in the bible, it’s God word for spiritual life it’s not an instruction manual
for every single eventually.

Like should I or should I not use a computer.
Should I or should I not be vaccinated.
Should I or should I not fly in an aircraft.

Your reply makes no sense. How about we turn that around and ask you for
scriptural evidence that transgender surgery is permitted and it’s permitted to
change your sex. Is that in the bible? No because even as corrupt as people
were back then, not even they had thought of changing a person’s sex.
Unochs don’t count by the way. That’s a different aspect, young boys mutilated
to serve a specific purpose.

There is plenty the bible says against homosexuality, and let’s face it, transgender
is just another version of homosexuality, changing bits here and there doesn’t change
your genetic make up and the sex you were born with. It’s just another version
of homosexuality.

Of im honest I cannot understand what might lead a person to think they have been born
in the wrong body, other than they hate their body (see my post about body dismorphia
i would be interested to know what you thought about it). Or that young children are
being confused and decieved by the very adults around the, who should be protecting them
and helping them.
 

Mobiosity

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I will be 62 soon. I used to be young. I (kind of) wish I could be young again. If I were to have a face lift and inject my muscles with silicone so it looked like I were strong, that would not make me any younger or stronger.

My chromosomes are male. If I went through the surgery to change how I look, I would still be male, I would just look different.

Looking different does not change the fact that you are who you are. Having surgery to look like your fantasy does not change the truth of who you are. (I have seen photos of people doing some pretty drastic things to their body, like implanting horns, or getting tattoos that make them look like a cat.) This only changes the way you look. It has nothing to do with who you really are.

Some people are old, some are young, some are tall, some are short, some are smart, some not so, some have one color of skin, others have another. God even designs people born blind to honor Him. (See John Ch 9.) God designed all of us to fit within His plan and we best honor Him when we accept the way He made us and live our lives to honor Him.

Nick Vujicic was born with no arms or legs. (lifewithoutlimbs.com) He has spoken to far more people about Christ that I ever expect to. He is honoring God as he was made. Everyone is responsible to honor God the way God made them.

Living in denial of who we are and in fantasy about how we wish were different does not draw us closer to God. It separates us further from Him

But again (as I posted previously), non-Christians, as a whole, have no interest in drawing closer to God through the death, burial, and resurrection of God's one and only Son, Messiah Jesus, or honoring Him with their lives.

So how can we expect them to be willing to conform to God's plan for their lives? (If they did, they would start by accepting Messiah Jesus as their Savior and Lord.)

It is regrettable that our world has fallen into such delusion and deception, but, it IMO is not likely to change anytime soon.

So, our response to "trans-gendered" people should be to show them how God loves them and to lead them to accept that God loves them so much that He sent His one and only human born Son to die in their place and that three days later, God raised Him from the dead.

Indeed, that should be our attitude toward everyone.
I see that you are sincere in your views and kind in your presentation of them.
I too will be 62 soon, (a couple of months from now). I'm fat, 5'9" 225, I diet so I can look and feel better. I don't see it as any different from those who dye their hair, or get tattoos. God want's us to take care of ourselves, mentally and physically and if changing our appearance helps us to feel better mentally, I believe He's okay with that. The outside changes throughout our lives as does the inside. I'm not the woman I was at 20, 30 or 40 (Thank You Good Lord!) I've been healed of anger through prayer and anointing by one of my pastors and continue to try to be and do what He wants. That includes telling people just how much God loves them, regardless of what they've done. His death and resurrection proves that. To remind them that the outside isn't as important as the inside. I think God's pleased when we honor Him from our hearts, as you are trying to do.
 

Mobiosity

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Again, all you've seen is what you wanted to see, not reality.

And you don't know because you don't want to know.

[video=youtube;fkv7O_mOn_E]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkv7O_mOn_E[/video]
And you know this because I don't agree with you?
 
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So all of arguments against transgender surgery are of the eww variety. There is nothing in scripture to deny those people the change they need to feel whole. I realize there are lots of non-Christians who are disgusted by transgenders, no difference between us and them. How about a little sympathy for the folks who feel like they need the surgery to be "whole"?
Php 4:11 Not that I speak in respect of want: for I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content.
1Ti 6:8 And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.
Heb 13:5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.

Christ Jesus makes us whole, satisfies and we should all be content with that and what He provides.
 

Mobiosity

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God makes u man or woman how he sees you fit. You spit on God and his ability to create with your logic
I disagree with this view wholeheartedly. There is no reason for anyone to suffer unnecessarily and He doesn't ask us to live in constant pain, mental or physical.
 
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NoNameMcgee

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I'm sorry I'm not here enough for you.
All I've seen is "it's wrong". Hence the "eww".
I've been shown no scriptural evidence.
I don't see myself as superior in any way. I don't understand the problem that folks have with people being treated to match their minds with their bodies.
if someone has a mental issue

you dont mutilate their body....

you purify their mind

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1 cor 6

19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.


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Psalms 55:22 - Cast thy burden upon the LORD, and he shall sustain thee: he shall never suffer the righteous to be moved


Romans 12:2 - And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

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does this mean one of these lost souls who have this surgery could not be forgiven?


NO.


1 John 1:9 - If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

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but you need to see sin as sin....
in order to ask for forgiveness.....


Ezekiel 36:26
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.


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this comes with a transformation....

and that initial mental issue that made them so confused they felt pain because God made them a man or woman will now be replaced

because their new heart will desire Him and His will

not their own pleasures or fleshly wants....
 
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NoNameMcgee

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if someone has a mental issue

you dont mutilate their body....

you purify their mind

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1 cor 6

19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.


___________



Psalms 55:22 - Cast thy burden upon the LORD, and he shall sustain thee: he shall never suffer the righteous to be moved


Romans 12:2 - And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

______________

does this mean one of these lost souls who have this surgery could not be forgiven?


NO.


1 John 1:9 - If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

_________

but you need to see sin as sin....
in order to ask for forgiveness.....


Ezekiel 36:26
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.


_________

this comes with a transformation....

and that initial mental issue that made them so confused they felt pain because God made them a man or woman will now be replaced

because their new heart will desire Him and His will

not their own pleasures or fleshly wants....
now notice

hebrews 10


35 Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward.

36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.

37 For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.

38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.

39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.
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john 6


28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?

29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

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1 John 2:19
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

those who were not of us (not born again saved children of God)

stop believing

but they also

Romans 1:27-29
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,


Isaiah 5:20
20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

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they also do not acknowledge sin as sin

they switch good and evil around in their minds

denying Gods order and place as the one who decides what is just

and what is wicked
 
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Actually I have prayed and asked God to make sure I know and believe the right things. I came with this question to find out if there was something in Scripture that I was missing and so far there has been no Scriptural evidence given that justifies the view that transgender surgery, after years of therapy to make sure they are making the right decision for the right reason, is wrong. God has given us the technology and knowledge to help people. The attacks on me are unwarranted and disagreeing with you doesn't make me wrong, or bad.
You prayed? Sure, you have. "Oh, Lord, make me right."

The same scriptures that renounce homosexuality also renounce changing genders, (because, once again, you canNOT change gender. It's biologically impossible.)

So, you're both right and wrong with your last sentence. You're right in that disagreeing with me doesn't mean you're wrong or bad. However, disagreeing that God hasn't said a thing about this makes you both wrong AND bad!
 

Mobiosity

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Php 4:11 Not that I speak in respect of want: for I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content.
1Ti 6:8 And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.
Heb 13:5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.

Christ Jesus makes us whole, satisfies and we should all be content with that and what He provides.
Paul was a greater Christian than I could ever be. He was especially blessed by God to go through what he did so that God's Good News could be spread throughout the world and down the ages. God will provide and he expects us to work with Him to have that. He sees the birds are fed, but He doesn't throw the seed into the nests. Covetousness or envy of other's accomplishments or possessions is wrong, contentedness with what we have is a special blessing. I don't have everything but I'm blessed by being a Christian, an American, I have a car, a home, food in the fridge, and wonderful Christian friends. I keep my eyes on Him and continue to ask Him to guide my thoughts, words, deeds steps.
 

PennEd

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Actually I have prayed and asked God to make sure I know and believe the right things. I came with this question to find out if there was something in Scripture that I was missing and so far there has been no Scriptural evidence given that justifies the view that transgender surgery, after years of therapy to make sure they are making the right decision for the right reason, is wrong. God has given us the technology and knowledge to help people. The attacks on me are unwarranted and disagreeing with you doesn't make me wrong, or bad.
How come when someone disagrees with you it's an attack, but you disagreeing with others is NOT an attack?

The poster that spoke about enabling, and actually help feeding, a mental illness is exactly right.

Would you help an anorexic starve because they thought they were fat? Or would you recognize that they are mentally ill in need of love, prayer, and Jesus? So why would anyone support and cheer on people chopping off or cutting up their body to become something they NEVER can be?

A man can cut off his genitals, add breasts, take hormones, and even try and remove strictly male inner parts, like his prostate. A woman can do the same radicalness to her body. But EVERY cell in their bodies gives testimony that the Lord created them MALE AND FEMALE! You cannot hide that truth no matter even if the whole world thought as you.

The simplest thing DNA can tell you is whether someone is male or female. Apart from some very rare cases, that doesn't even involve looking at their DNA sequence - all you need to know is whether they have X and Y chromosomes (making them male) or a pair of Xs (which makes them female). A foetus will, by default, develop as female unless the SRY gene on the Y chromosome is turned on.

Here is some Scripture for you. Transgenders are in this mix somewhere. And remember, it's not so much the sin, because we ALL have sinned, it's the ACCEPTANCE of sin that's at issue:

1 Corinthians 6:9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals,[a] nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

In closing, I'd like to say that I'm sorry this reality is hard for you, and also if it comes off as harsh. You may not believe it, but every person here loves you. If they didn't, they'd be saying things like " Sure! Changing your sex is perfectly fine and natural!"

But you came here seeking what. Approval? Or, Lord willing, a chance to reevaluate this tragic mistake you made, or are about to make, or know someone who has or will about to.
 
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Mobiosity

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You prayed? Sure, you have. "Oh, Lord, make me right."

Close, but no cigar, I've asked God to make it clear to me what He wants me to think, do and say.

The same scriptures that renounce homosexuality also renounce changing genders, (because, once again, you canNOT change gender. It's biologically impossible.)

So, you're both right and wrong with your last sentence. You're right in that disagreeing with me doesn't mean you're wrong or bad. However, disagreeing that God hasn't said a thing about this makes you both wrong AND bad!
You are assuming that transgender surgery is entirely about having sex. Why would that be the only reason for it?
 

Mobiosity

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How come when someone disagrees with you it's an attack, but you disagreeing with others is NOT an attack?

The poster that spoke about enabling, and actually help feeding, a mental illness is exactly right.

Would you help an anorexic starve because they thought they were fat? Or would you recognize that they are mentally ill in need of love, prayer, and Jesus? So why would anyone support and cheer on people chopping off or cutting up their body to become something they NEVER can be?

A man can cut off his genitals, add breasts, take hormones, and even try and remove strictly male inner parts, like his prostate. A woman can do the same radicalness to her body. But EVERY cell in their bodies gives testimony that the Lord created them MALE AND FEMALE! You cannot hide that truth no matter even if the whole world thought as you.

The simplest thing DNA can tell you is whether someone is male or female. Apart from some very rare cases, that doesn't even involve looking at their DNA sequence - all you need to know is whether they have X and Y chromosomes (making them male) or a pair of Xs (which makes them female). A foetus will, by default, develop as female unless the SRY gene on the Y chromosome is turned on.

Here is some Scripture for you. Transgenders are in this mix somewhere. And remember, it's not so much the sin, because we ALL have sinned, it's the ACCEPTANCE of sin that's at issue:

1 Corinthians 6:9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals,[a] nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

In closing, I'd like to say that I'm sorry this reality is hard for you, and also if it comes off as harsh. You may not believe it, but every person here loves you. If they didn't, they'd be saying things like " Sure! Changing your sex is perfectly fine and natural!"

But you came here seeking what. Approval? Or, Lord willing, a chance to reevaluate this tragic mistake you made, or are about to make, or know someone who has or will about to.
I came here to see if there was something I was missing in Scripture concerning transgender surgery. I am a woman never wanted to be a man and I don't know anyone personally who has done this or is contemplating this. I get concerned when I see Christians acting in a very vicious way to those who believe other than we do. I understand that homosexuality is wrong, so is lying, stealing, murder, etc. Screaming at women going into abortion clinics isn't the way to change their minds, praying for them is. Letting the Love of God and our love wash over them in prayer is the way to change their minds. I don't see transgender surgery as being strictly about having sex. It's not to enable anyone to sin, it's to make them more comfortable in their own skins. If they wanted to keep the same genitalia and dress like the other gender it would be no more wrong than wearing linen and cotton together.
 

Mobiosity

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How come when someone disagrees with you it's an attack, but you disagreeing with others is NOT an attack?
Depleted calls me bad for disagreeing with her. That is an attack.
 
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I came here to see if there was something I was missing in Scripture concerning transgender surgery. I am a woman never wanted to be a man and I don't know anyone personally who has done this or is contemplating this. I get concerned when I see Christians acting in a very vicious way to those who believe other than we do. I understand that homosexuality is wrong, so is lying, stealing, murder, etc. Screaming at women going into abortion clinics isn't the way to change their minds, praying for them is. Letting the Love of God and our love wash over them in prayer is the way to change their minds. I don't see transgender surgery as being strictly about having sex. It's not to enable anyone to sin, it's to make them more comfortable in their own skins. If they wanted to keep the same genitalia and dress like the other gender it would be no more wrong than wearing linen and cotton together.
My back itches all the time, should I remove all the skin off my back to "be comfortable in my own skin?" That's not comfortable! It will never be comfortable. It's mutilation.

Unlike you, who presumes gentleness and loving care, when you give neither, I feel very sorry for Bruce Jenner. He thought he would feel more comfortable if he were a woman. People lauded him for going through all that surgery, and yet, where is he today? Do you know why you don't hear much from him anymore? Because he realized mutilating his body never did make him comfortable. And now he's stuck there with no one to talk to. And why is there no one? Because there never was anyone beside him that cared enough about him to really talk to him. Instead, he was surrounded by idiots who had their own agendas, and "no skin off their back," if he did that.

The man was hurting. Hurting enough that he was willing to look a part without any ability to be the part. (No amount of hormones will ever turn that pouch into a vagina. And, if you lose a leg and can still feel it decades later, what is it like to lose a penis and scrotum?)

Now he knows this. And now he suffers with this knowledge. So what do you want? You want him to be happy with him, when he was never happy with himself.

There was someone who could give him joy. One you dismissed more than once. (You pray to God, but you don't seek him in his word.) And you? You are just out to play with a what-if, as if that makes you sympathetic. Not even close to compassionate. Let's skip empathy at all.

This was nothing more to you that a momentary thought and something to prove how much you shine in your own personal opinion, with no evidence, with no thought, with no stakes!

You've got the sympathetic levels of a water bug.
 

becc

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Sorry all, just been busy. I believe that God has given us the capability to fix errors in our make-up. I don't understand the difference between getting your nose fixed and having gender reassignment surgery. Both are changing the way we were made. It seems like the problem a lot of Christians have is that the surgery is being done on sex organs.
Hey mobiosity. As a former homosexual (gradually) I don't think i'm in the right place to answer this but I feel compelled to do so, so I would do just that.

Being transgender is just a forward stage of being homosexual (to me), it's more like saying i'm dating a girl and I feel like the man in the relationship so I might just as well be one. I for one think homosexual and the forward version comes to a person due to their surroundings and what they are faced with... somehow like a psychological problem (not necessarily a mental illness). I ended up a homosexual by mistake, I was very young and I didn't even know what I was doing... if I was cautioned at that time I could have seen the wrong but I wasn't and it affected my thinking.



I was still contemplating whether or not homosexuality was actually a sin. I once tried to defend myself by thinking that God didn't punish Sodom and Gomorrah for homosexual practice but for adultery and fornication or for the wrong way of practising homosexuality. In a thread I made I unconsciously defended it and in the process a member felt attacked... Yes, that's how deep it affects people. The thing is when I got here I was convinced to push it aside cuz it was an abomination (emphasis on abomination) meaning that whatever logic you use it is still a sin. I still tried defending it but then I saw a post in on one of the bed forums... either the let's play bible trivia or not by works (not sure about this)..... one of the two and the person quoted a verse in the bible that even supporting it (not practising) is a sin and then I decided that no matter how normal it may seem.. As long it is blocking my way to eternal life it isn't good for me.


I still get a little vexed when someone just says something off key like depleted's post saying their murder rate is high... totally not true.

Not sure if you can call it a mental illness but who am I to comment on that. A mad person will never admit he is mad.


I rest my case.
 

Blanche

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I came here to see if there was something I was missing in Scripture concerning transgender surgery. I am a woman never wanted to be a man and I don't know anyone personally who has done this or is contemplating this. I get concerned when I see Christians acting in a very vicious way to those who believe other than we do. I understand that homosexuality is wrong, so is lying, stealing, murder, etc. Screaming at women going into abortion clinics isn't the way to change their minds, praying for them is. Letting the Love of God and our love wash over them in prayer is the way to change their minds. I don't see transgender surgery as being strictly about having sex. It's not to enable anyone to sin, it's to make them more comfortable in their own skins. If they wanted to keep the same genitalia and dress like the other gender it would be no more wrong than wearing linen and cotton together.
Moboiosity:
I agree. We are not to judge. ... there is no reason to say awful things. I have read about transgenderism and I dont understand it. It seems to me that it is an emotional/mental illness. But, I am no doctor. Still no reason to judge those poor souls. Must be awfully painful.
 

Demi777

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Depleted calls me bad for disagreeing with her. That is an attack.
Oh please just grow up
If she wants to attack you, u will know. Known her for a while
do you ever test the spirit when u pray?
God forms us in the womb of our mothers in his image and liking. He makes us beautiful in his sight and then ppl go through surgery to make them the opposite and u think that God likes that? Please take some time thinking about that
Ecclesiastes 3.11
11 He has made everything beautiful in its time. He has also set eternity in the human heart; yet[a] no one can fathom what God has done from beginning to end.
 

Mobiosity

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There was someone who could give him joy. One you dismissed more than once. (You pray to God, but you don't seek him in his word.)

If you saw me dismiss anything other than your anger, please show it to me. I pray to our Lord and read His Word every day. And I ask Him to reveal to me what He wants me to get out of His Word.

And you? You are just out to play with a what-if, as if that makes you sympathetic. Not even close to compassionate. Let's skip empathy at all.
Why would you assume that I am curious in some way that will make me sympathetic? Sympathetic to whom and why?

This was nothing more to you that a momentary thought and something to prove how much you shine in your own personal opinion, with no evidence, with no thought, with no stakes!

It proves nothing other than curiosity. My own personal opinion of my "shininess" would surprise you, but I doubt you'd be open to hearing it.
You've got the sympathetic levels of a water bug.
Judge much?
 

Mobiosity

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Oh please just grow up
If she wants to attack you, u will know. Known her for a while
do you ever test the spirit when u pray?
God forms us in the womb of our mothers in his image and liking. He makes us beautiful in his sight and then ppl go through surgery to make them the opposite and u think that God likes that? Please take some time thinking about that
Ecclesiastes 3.11
11 He has made everything beautiful in its time. He has also set eternity in the human heart; yet[a] no one can fathom what God has done from beginning to end.
If I wanted to be attacked, I'd have gone to an atheist site and proven to them that God has touched me. The level of anger coming from depleted is disheartening, if she's so nasty to a sister in Christ, how does she act around those who don't believe. If Holy Spirit reveals something to me in my Scripture reading, why should I test it further?
 

Blanche

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If I wanted to be attacked, I'd have gone to an atheist site and proven to them that God has touched me. The level of anger coming from depleted is disheartening, if she's so nasty to a sister in Christ, how does she act around those who don't believe. If Holy Spirit reveals something to me in my Scripture reading, why should I test it further?

Mobiosity: There seems to be a lot of attacking on this site. I would say it is intolerant and some things that are said are downright shocking like ... "I will pray that God sends an earthquake to California". Sounds more like the Taliban than Christianity in some cases. If you are one that refuses to discriminate against you are in deep trouble on this site. To not do that is the same as siding with.