GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

I responded to ALL your scripture saying that none of it addresses the issue and all of it is a verbose scam, deception, and mis-direction!

In other words, put very simply, you are a long-winded liar!!!!

There is nothing hidden that shall not be revealed come Judgement day my friend. SIN will keep all who practice it out of God's KINGDOM. You have indeed ignored the scriptures and have not answered the post and the scriptures in them. Light has come to your darkness but you close the door so you can follow your tradition.

There is no presumption my side my friend the post was directed at your presumption in thinking that God's LAW and SIN did not exist before Exodus 16 as the scripture in my post show. "


the law came through Moses, it was not given until sinai. before the flood, there was a different priesthood. clearly the bible says that the levitical priesthood, is where the law came from. the reason the law came, was to make man aware that satan made us sinners, and sinners are dead according to the law. before the flood the only priest Mentioned, is melchezidek. hebrews establishes the temproal nature of the levitical priesthood. a preisthood, is a s good as its priests.

Melchezidek does not preach the law to abraham, he offers Him bread and wine, and blesses Him. abraham, Lied about sarah on His journey, there was no Law then, so it was not accounted to Him. if the law had been already instituted, the levites would have been the priests. they are the sons of aaron. the covenant of the Mosaic Law, was given after God delivered them from egypt and led them top the Mount where He descended in fire and thinder spoke the ten commandments to them. the law of Moses, came by Moses because until man is aware of our sin, we will never accept a savior from it. the laws purpose is to show us our sin to show us God is Holy and we are not.


this was not so in the beginning. the law came, because satan corrupted us with the knoweldge and will of evil in our flesh. before this we were made in Gods image, and His Likeness. look at How he relates to adam before genesis 3, and then How adam withdraws from His presence," because Gods word now declared adam must surely die" adam ate the fruit God had warned Him would bring death. you see a totally different relationship between God and adam before and after He sins.


the reason is that God had said " if you do this one thing, you will surely die" Gods word will always be true and must come to pass because he is the creator whos words become. when He said that, it was certain death when adam ate the fruit. thats what satan knew, that Gods word would surely come to pass. so them iys as simple as " How can I deceive them, and get them to eat the fruit of certain death" and that is why Jesus had to die, because God decreed that the Knowledge of Evil, is death. God doesnt just say " well , nevermind, i heal you instantly" because then He would have Lied and satan would have been telling the truth when He had said " you will not surely die! God knows it will make you as gods knowing good and evil"

satan used the power of Gods word, against mankind to yoke the sentance of death, to all who partake of sin. the Mosaic Law, comes as a response to satans work in eden which led to the result in Genesis chapter 6 when God is greived in His Heart that He ever created us and vows to destroy all but noahs 8 and enough animals to carry thier species as well. there was no law then and sin, took us over and made what God sees in Genesis chapter 6 he makes adam good, and satan introduces the knowledge of evil into man, and this seperates mankind from Gods presence, and that is the very reason we die, Because God is the source of eternal Life,

the law is put in place long after the flood destroys the fruits of satans deception, and the law is given 400 plus years after through Noahs descendant abrahams...descendant Moses. it comes to restrain the evil within man, to preserve us from destruction as they got, until Gods plan of salvation would be revealed through the messiah and the Gospel of the reconciliation of the relationship between God and Man, in "the Body" of Jesus Christ, or " the church" the law is meant to convince us we need salvation because we become aware of sin and its punishment.

to just see how they under the law see a powerful, destructive storm of fire and smoke and thunder, a God whos voice terrifies them that they beg not to hear another word. and How adam relates to God, God blessing Him, giving him stewardship over all the earth and all the life on earth. giving Him the authority and dominion that adam names the creatures, adam names eve, and adam sets the law of marriage. <<<< by the way the same law Jesus preaches, and moses did not, because they were hard hearted and ignorant of righteousness because the Gospel Hadnt yet come. the law is a bridge for sinful mankind to learn and survive by, until the messiah came with the new covenant and His Law of the spirit of Life. the Gospel, His word , His teachings that are not the same at all as the mosaic Law. the law was to teach an ignorant fallen mankind, right from Wrong so we would then see the difference in Good, and evil. and understand were not holy, God is, and were not what He made us to be, because we sinned. we lied or cheated, we stole or gossiped, spread a rumor, we worked on a sabbath, we bore grudges in our hearts. all of us if we measure ourself against the letter of the mosaic Law, will if we are honest, come to the conclusion How far from right, we really are.

we have to realize man is lost without Jesus the savior, or well never grasp How much we need Him. we still have use for the mosaic Law, it helps us understand the new covenant, and teaches us right and wrong and life and death. all that had to happen, in order for Gods offer of " salvation" " redemption" " reconciliation" if we didnt Know we had fallen and lost our inheritance, we would never have turned back Home to where it is waiting for us

Hello FJ, there is a lot you have written but very little scripture has been provided. God's laws were indeed practiced and followed before Sinai to think otherwise with no scripture is indeed presumption...

Thinking that God's Sabbath was not kept before Exodus 16 is a presumption that has no basis in scripture. There is more scripture supporting the existence of all of God's laws being practiced(10 Commandments and Mosaic Sin offerings) BEFORE Sinai in Exodus 20 then the theory that they only appeard at Sinai.

Let's have a look at the scriptures.....

GODS LAWS BEFORE EXODUS 20

Genesis 26
5, Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Genesis 5
24, And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.

Genesis 6
8, But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. 9, These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.

God destroys mankind because of sin......

Genesis 6
5, And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only EVIL CONTINUALLY.
6, And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
7, And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
8, But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.

What are these CONTINUAL EVIL THOUGHTS?

Matthew 15
19, For out of the heart proceed EVIL THOUGHTS, MURDERS, ADULTERIES, FORNICATION, THEFTS, FALSE WITNESS, BLASPHEMIES
20, These are the things which defile a man:

Evil is breaking God's Commandments in thought and actions.

Cain was punished by God for Murder......

Genesis 4
8, And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.
9, And the LORD said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper?
10, And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground.
11, And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand;
12, When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth.
13, And Cain said unto the LORD, My punishment is greater than I can bear.

links to....

1 John 3
12, Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
13, Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.
14, We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
15, Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

The Mosaic laws for remission of sin (SACRIFICIAL SIN OFFERINGS) were also practiced BEFORE Sinai....

Genesis 4
4, And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering.

Genesis 8
20, And Noah builded an altar unto the LORD; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar

SIN is the transgression of God's LAW (10 Commandments) please read Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and James 2:11. God's LAW gives us a KNOWLEDGE of SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS (Romans 3:20) SIN offereings were only practiced in the OLD Covenant for the remission or forgiveness of SIN (Breaking God's 10 Commandments) If God's people did not have God's LAW why are they offering SIN offereings to God if these laws were only known about in Mt Sinai?

Abraham and his son practiced and knew about sin offerings...

Genesis 22
7, And Isaac spake unto Abraham his father, and said, My father: and he said, Here am I, my son. And he said, Behold the fire and the wood: but where is the lamb for a burnt offering?
8, And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.

Exodus 10
25, And Moses said, Thou must give us also sacrifices and burnt offerings, that we may sacrifice unto the LORD our God.

Yep once again before Sinai...

LETS LOOK NOW SPECIFICALLY AT THE 4th COMMANDMENT SABBATH

The Sabbath was also kept by our first parents and also others BEFORE Sinai. The reason God gave the 10 Commandments again was being His people had been slaves in Egypt for 430 years (Exodus 12:40). God delivered his people from Egypt (the World) and needed to re-teach them his ways which were mostly forgotten by this time.

So yep God's LAW and the laws for remission of sin and burnt offerings of the OLD Covenant were indeed practiced BEFORE Sinai.

The Sabbath was made at the 7th Day of the creation week and given to Adam and Eve. Let's look at the scriptures........

Genesis 2
1, Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2, And ON THE SEVENTH DAY God ended his work which he had made; and he RESTED ON THE SEVENTH DAY from all his work which he had made.
3, And GOD BLESSED THE SEVENTH DAY, and made it HOLY <the 7th day>: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

RESTEDH7673שָׁבַת shabath (shaw-ɓath') v.to repose, i.e. to cease from exertion.
{used in many implied relations (causative, figurative or specific)}[a primitive root]KJV: (cause to, let, make to) cease, celebrate, cause (make) to fail, keep Sabbath, suffer to be lacking, leave, put away (down), (make to) rest, rid, still, take away. Some points to note from the scriptures...............

v1 God completed creation in 6 days and RESTED on the 7TH DAY
v2 God RESTED on the 7TH DAY
v3 God SET APART the 7TH DAY and made THE 7TH DAY a HOLY DAY
v2 The 7TH DAY is part of the FINISHED WORK of the CREATION WEEKLet's now look at God's 4th commandment............

Exodus 20
8, Remember the SABBATH DAY, to KEEP IT HOLY. <Why?> Because God made it Holy for mankind and commands us to keep it as a Holy day)
9, Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work:
10, But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: <WHY>
11, For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested theSEVENTH DAY: wherefore the LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH, and HALLOWED IT.

SABBATH H7676 שַׁבָּת shabbath (shab-bawth') n-e. 1. intermission, a period of temporary rest.2. (specifically) the Sabbath, the seventh day being the day of rest.[intensive from H7673]KJV: (+ every) Sabbath. Root(s): H7673Now who did God make the 7th day a Holy day for? Is he making that day a Holy day for himself? Of course NOT God is already Holy. He has made the day for MANKIND as a HOLY DAY.

Let’s see what Jesus says…………

Mark 2
27, And he said unto them, THE SABBATH WAS MADE FOR MAN, and not man for the Sabbath.
The Sabbath was made for WHO? The Sabbath was made for MAN. So here we have the God of creation telling us why the 7th Day was made a Holy day. It was made for MANKIND

STRONGS Greek MAN G444 ἄνθρωποςanthropos (an'-thrō-pos) n.
1. (literally) man†-visage (i.e. a man-faced being, a man who has visibly come of age).
2. (concretely, in Hebrew) a clay being (a classification of beings made in the image of God, who made them male and female). 3. (generically, in English) a human being. 4. (indefinitely) a certain man (i.e. someone).
[from G435 and ops “the countenance” (from G3700)] KJV: certain, man Root(s): G435, G3700

So the Sabbath was made for Human beings; clay beings (we are made out of the dust); male and female

So God made the 7th day of the week a HOLY day and blessed it for MAN this now ties in very nicely with the 4th commandment (Exodus 20:8-11) God says that it is a specific day which is the 7TH DAY OF THE WEEK that he has made to be a HOLY DAY.

Jesus says it was made Holy in the creation week for mankind. All scriptures connect and are in harmony. Genesis where God made the Day a HOLY DAY;

God’s 4th commandment to His people that says to REMEMBER the Sabbath day to KEEP it a HOLY DAY and Jesus stating that the Sabbath was made for MANKIND (Human beings; male and female).

Now if God made the Sabbath for mankind then obviously Adam and Eve had the Sabbath the GREEK Word for MAN G444 ἄνθρωποςanthropos (an'-thrō-pos) n. is a clay being(a classification of beings made in the image of God, who made them male and female). There is only two people made out of clay (dust) and that is Adam and Eve.

Yep God's Sabbath given to mankind in the Garden of Eden and made in the Creation WEEK. Only God's Word is true and we should BELIEVE it. Those that do not BELIEVE God's Word are UNBELIVERS and UNBELIEVERS have no part in God's Kingdom.

Now I have taken some time to address all of your posts. Please if you disagree please state your case and your scriptures? Simply ignoring my posts does not make the scriptures go away that disagree with you.

The reason why the above post was written for you was to show you that it was presumption on your part to claim that God's Commandments were not a requirement BEFORE Sinai or in regards to the Sabbath before Exodus 16.

It is through God's LAW (10 Commandments) that we have a KNOWLEDGE of SIN.

If God's LAW was NOT kNOWN BEFORE Exodus 20 or Sinai how did God's people know about God's Sabbath in Exodus 16?

How did they know about SIN offererings since the begining of Genesis?

How did they KNOW what SIN was?

Why was the world and Sodom and Gomorrah destroyed because of SIN if they did NOT KNOW what SIN was?

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There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

so, do you believe that you have to observe sabbath for salvation or not.

Not only the sabbath, but apparently all 10 commandments.

what has come here is ellen white / sda propaganda. just plucking out verses , writing your own commentary , and producing something that is not there. Sabbath part of salvation of grace through faith? not in the Bible.

Hello MMD,

How can you teach God's Word when you do not KNOW what the Gospel is? What you fail to understand is that the Gospel is EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD. Not just the ones we want to hold on to so we can break God's Commandments.

The Gospel is JESUS <Jesus means Savior; John 1:29> and JESUS is THE WORD OF GOD (John 1:1-14; 17:17; 14:6). THE WORD OF GOD is the GOSPEL BECAUSE BY FAITH IT IS OUR SAVIOR and this the IS GOOD NEWS to those who BELIEVE. (John 1:1-14; John 1:29; John 17:17; 14:6; Matthew 4:4)

Those who do not BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's Word are NOT HIS people and do not KNOW him who calls them in LOVE to LOVE. Unbelievers have no part in the KINGDOM of HEAVEN because they reject the GIFT of God's dear son (Romans 6:23) as said many times now IF your FAITH does not have the FRUIT of OBEDIENCE then you are still in your SINS because you have rejected the GIFT of God's dear Son (James 2:18: 20: 26).

If your tree has no FRUIT it will be cast down and thrown into the FIRE come judgement day (Matthew 7:12-23). Now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth NOT forth good fruit is CUT down, and cast into the fire (Matthew 3:10).

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There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

your definition that the word of God is every word that procedure of the mouth of God.

I agree.

The question is, do you believe every body must do every word If God?

"...that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live." Deut 8:3

"But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by ________________" Matt 4:4
"And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by _______________" Luke 4:4

so, do you believe that you have to observe sabbath for salvation or not.

That sounds innocently similar, but it is fundamentally very very different.

He saith of the new, 'it shall not be like the covenant I made with their ancestors'

Therefore how can the gospel of Jesus Christ dead and risen be the same as what was the covenant with those taken out of Egypt? If Sinai is the gospel as well as Christ crucified, God is a liar, for He said also 'behold I will do a new thing! Now it shall spring forth, shall ye not know it?'

Therefore LGF makes God out to be evil, as well as do those others who say it. Maybe they just don't comprehend what they've said; let's hope so

You are a funny one PH, Who said that the OLD Covenant is the same as the NEW? Not me. Now if we are in agreement that the OLD is not the same as the NEW then we are in agreement. If we are in agreement you have no argument because the argument you building is not true. The problem is that many do not know what the OLD Covenant is and how it teaches the new. The Shadows of the OLD point to the NEW but some are lost in Shadows and can't see the NEW because men loved darkeness rather then light because their deeds were evil.

It will be too late for some who cry Lord Lord when they did not KNOW him come judgement day.

EVERY Word of God is what we are to LIVE by if we do not we do not have LIFE because there is ONLY LIFE in the LIVING WORD.

Matthew 3
16, For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17, For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18, He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19, And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20, For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21, But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

Matthew 4
4, But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

from.....

Deuteronomy 8
3, And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.

The Gospel is the living WORD JESUS <Jesus means Savior; John 1:29> and JESUS is THE WORD OF GOD (John 1:1-14; 17:17; 14:6). THE WORD OF GOD is the GOSPEL BECAUSE BY FAITH IT IS OUR SAVIOR and this the IS GOOD NEWS to those who BELIEVE. (John 1:1-14; John 1:29; John 17:17; 14:6; Matthew 4:4)

Those who do not BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's Word are NOT HIS people and do not KNOW him who calls them in LOVE to LOVE. Unbelievers have no part in the KINGDOM of HEAVEN because they reject the GIFT of God's dear son (Romans 6:23) as said many times now IF your FAITH does not have the FRUIT of OBEDIENCE then you are still in your SINS because you have rejected the GIFT of God's dear Son (James 2:18: 20: 26).

If your tree has no FRUIT it will be cast down and thrown into the FIRE come judgement day (Matthew 7:12-23). Now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth NOT forth good fruit is CUT down, and cast into the fire (Matthew 3:10).

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There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

Romans 10:3-11

For, being ignorant of the righteousness of God, and seeking to establish their own, they did not submit to God's righteousness. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. For Moses writes about the righteousness that is based on the law, that the person who does the commandments shall live by them. But the righteousness based on faith says, "Do not say in your heart, 'Who will ascend into heaven?'" (that is, to bring Christ down) or "'Who will descend into the abyss?'" (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). But what does it say? "The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart" (that is, the word of faith that we proclaim); because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. For the Scripture says, "Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame."

Romans 10:19-21

But I ask, did Israel not understand? First Moses says, "I will make you jealous of those who are not a nation; with a foolish nation I will make you angry." Then Isaiah is so bold as to say, "I have been found by those who did not seek me; I have shown myself to those who did not ask for me." But of Israel he says, "All day long I have held out my hands to a disobedient and contrary people."



Where is condemnation for those who put their trust in Him?
But all who look to works of the law are condemned by it, and all who think to judge are judged by the same measure - shall they be guiltless?

Galatians 4:30

But what does the Scripture say?

"Cast out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman shall not inherit with the son of the free woman."

Deuteronomy 8:3

And he humbled you and let you hunger and fed you with manna, which you did not know, nor did your fathers know, that he might make you know that man does not live by bread alone, but man lives by every word that comes from the mouth of the LORD.

John 6:47-51

Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life. I AM the bread of life. Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died. This is the bread that comes down from heaven, so that one may eat of it and not die. I AM the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. And the bread that I will give for the life of the world is my flesh.