Philippians 2:13 FOR IT IS GOD WHO IS AT WORK IN YOU...

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joaniemarie

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For those interested in hearing about the new heart we have in Christ here is an excellent video that speaks to this truth. If you have a different view - you are free in Christ to have it. The truth is an awesome thing and it sets us free and keeps us from bitterness and bickering.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oahYm5ucj6g


This pastor touches on so many aspects of this topic of our hearts even in this short video... he answered many of the concerns that most of us have questions on. So I'm very thankful to have been introduced to him and able to post this video. It helps me each day to be learning from such excellent teachers and preachers that God has given the church.
 
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Question: "What does it mean to work out salvation with fear and trembling (Philippians 2:12)?"

Answer: In Philippians 2:12-13, Paul writes, “Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed – not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence – continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you to will and to act according to his purpose.”

This text is often misused to instill fear into people, warning them that it means that they can lose salvation. What does it mean to work out our salvation with fear and trembling? Paul can hardly be encouraging believers to live in a continuous condition of nervousness and anxiety. That would contradict his many other exhortations to peace of mind, courage, and confidence in the God who authors our salvation. The Greek word translated "fear" in this context can equally mean "reverence" or "respect." Paul uses the same phrase in (2 Corinthians 7:15) where he refers to Titus as being encouraged by the Corinthians’ reception of him “with fear and trembling,” that is, with great humility and respect for his position as a minister of the gospel of Jesus Christ. Paul himself came to the Corinthian church in “weakness and fear, and with much trembling” (1 Corinthians 2:3), mindful of the great and awesome nature of the work in which he was engaged.

The sense in which we are to work out our salvation in fear and trembling is twofold. First, the Greek verb rendered “work out” means "to continually work to bring something to completion or fruition." We do this by actively pursuing obedience in the process of sanctification, which Paul explains further in the next chapter of Philippians. He describes himself as “straining” and “pressing on” toward the goal of Christlikeness (Philippians 3:13-14). The “trembling” he experiences is the attitude Christians are to have in pursuing this goal—a healthy fear of offending God through disobedience and an awe and respect for His majesty and holiness. "Trembling" can also refer to a shaking due to weakness, but this is a weakness of higher purpose, one which brings us to a state of dependency on God. Obedience and submission to the God we revere and respect is our “reasonable service” (Romans 12:1-2) and brings great joy. Psalm 2:11 sums it up perfectly: “Serve the LORD with fear and rejoice with trembling.” We work out our salvation by going to the very source of our salvation—the Word of God—wherein we renew our hearts and minds (Romans 12:1-2), coming into His presence with a spirit of reverence and awe.

https://www.gotquestions.org/fear-and-trembling.html
You fergot sumthin.

Recommended Resource: Eternal Security by Charles Stanley
 

joaniemarie

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For those interested in hearing about the new heart we have in Christ here is an excellent video that speaks to this truth. If you have a different view - you are free in Christ to have it. The truth is an awesome thing and it sets us free and keeps us from bitterness and bickering.


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Notice that Paul said to "work out" our salvation and not "work for" our salvation. When we "work out" at the gym, we exercise to develop our body that we already have and not to get a body. Farmers "work" the land, not in order to get the land, but to develop the land they already have.

The Greek verb rendered "work out" means "to continually work to bring something to completion or fruition." We do this by actively pursuing the process of ongoing sanctification, which is the result of being set apart for God's work and involves the process of being conformed to the image of Christ. This conforming to Christ involves the work of the person, but it is still God working in the believer to produce more of a godly character and life in the person who has already been justified by faith.


The justified person is actively involved in submitting to God's will, resisting sin, seeking holiness, and working to be more godly (1 Thessalonians 4:3,4; 5:14-18; James 4:7; Titus 2:12 etc..). Ongoing sanctification has no bearing on justification. That is, even if we don't live a sinless, perfect life (which we won't) we are still justified by faith in Christ (Romans 5:1). Where justification is a legal declaration that is instantaneous, ongoing sanctification is a process.


In agreement:

We can only work out what God has worked in. Now that we are saved we are not supposed to sit around waiting for heaven or continue our old lives as if nothing has changed. No works of ours can contribute anything to our receiving or continuing in Salvation. Eph 2:8-9 tell us that our Salvation is strictly God's work. But Eph 2:10 tells us that God has work that He wants to do through us after we are saved. This is also God's work done by His empowerment; but our bodies and are cheerful willingness are involved.
 

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In agreement:

We can only work out what God has worked in. Now that we are saved we are not supposed to sit around waiting for heaven or continue our old lives as if nothing has changed. No works of ours can contribute anything to our receiving or continuing in Salvation. Eph 2:8-9 tell us that our Salvation is strictly God's work. But Eph 2:10 tells us that God has work that He wants to do through us after we are saved. This is also God's work done by His empowerment; but our bodies and are cheerful willingness are involved.
Amen brother! Well said. :)
 

joaniemarie

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In agreement:

We can only work out what God has worked in. Now that we are saved we are not supposed to sit around waiting for heaven or continue our old lives as if nothing has changed. No works of ours can contribute anything to our receiving or continuing in Salvation. Eph 2:8-9 tell us that our Salvation is strictly God's work. But Eph 2:10 tells us that God has work that He wants to do through us after we are saved. This is also God's work done by His empowerment; but our bodies and are cheerful willingness are involved.
Exactly., And so the verses come together. We learn to distrust the flesh but to walk in our new spirit man.,the new heart we were given. For it is that heart that responds to and does the will of God vs.13 This is our daily calling., to walk in the spirit so we do not fulfill the lusts of our flesh.

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12 [/SUP]Therefore, my dear ones, as you have always obeyed [my suggestions], so now, not only [with the enthusiasm you would show] in my presence but much more because I am absent, work out (cultivate, carry out to the goal, and fully complete) your own salvation with reverence and awe and trembling (self-distrust, [SUP][a][/SUP]with serious caution, tenderness of conscience, watchfulness against temptation, timidly shrinking from whatever might offend God and discredit the name of Christ).
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13 [/SUP][Not in your own strength] for it is God Who is all the while [SUP][b][/SUP]effectually at work in you [energizing and creating in you the power and desire], both to will and to work for His good pleasure and satisfaction and [SUP][c][/SUP]delight.
 

joaniemarie

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The lie/deceit begins when one replaces "work out" your salvation with "work for" your salvation. "Obtaining or maintaining salvation" by works isn't mentioned anywhere. That is eisegesis. Roman Catholics make the same error.

W A Criswell emphasizes that Philippians 2:12-13 "must be read together for a proper understanding. “Work out your own salvation” means to “work out,” not “work for.” A “works salvation” is not being taught. The idea is to progress to the finish or completion in spiritual growth and maturity. This process is what the Bible calls “sanctification.” It should be noted that Phil 2:12 makes it clear we are to be active, not passive, in this process. However, though we are active, we are not alone. Phil 2:13 reminds us again that the entire salvation process is the work of a sovereign God and the result of His grace (Ed: Ministered by the indwelling Holy Spirit).. (Criswell, W A. Believer's Study Bible: New King James Version. 1991. Thomas Nelson)

Kenneth Wuest writes in regard to "your own salvation" that...When Paul was with them, his teaching instructed them, his example inspired them, his encouragement urged them on in their growth in grace. Now in his absence they were thrown upon their own initiative. They must learn to paddle their own canoe. Thus Paul sets before them their human responsibility in their growth in grace, for sanctification is in the apostle’s mind. They have their justification. Their glorification will be theirs in eternity. Their growth in Christ-likeness is the salvation concerning which Paul is speaking. Thus, the saints are exhorted to carry their growth in grace to its ultimate goal, Christ-likeness.

John Walvoord - These verses have been subject to considerable misunderstanding in that the emphasis seems to be upon self-effort. What does it mean to work out one’s own salvation? Some have attempted to support the idea that when God saves a soul it is then up to the individual to possess and achieve the ultimate goals of salvation in Christ. They view Christianity as a step-ladder which reaches from earth to heaven which it is our duty to climb. A careful examination of this passage, however, will not justify this immature conclusion. First of all, the salvation which is in view in this passage is not salvation from the guilt of sin. This is accomplished once and for all when a sinner receives Jesus Christ by faith as the One who bore his sins in His own body on the cross. In this sense, salvation is accomplished once and for all. The salvation that is in view in this passage, therefore, is deliverance from the power of sin, and the experience and manifestation of the new life in Christ. Like all other forms of salvation, it is a work of God but involving to a larger degree the element of individual experience and participation. It is therefore described as a human work in the expression: “Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.” What does this mean? As many have pointed out, it is not possible to work out something which is not already possessed. In other words, having received Christ as our Savior and having become a child of God, one has received many things which relate to his salvation which are true of every Christian, such as the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit, eternal life, and the new possibility of serving God acceptably. The exhortation is to the point that this manifestation of salvation (Ed: progressive sanctification, growth in Christ-likeness) in life is one of the supreme goals of Christian experience, the details and realization of which is of such importance that one should approach the task with fear (cf 1 Pe 1:17, 2 Cor 7:1) and trembling. The exhortation to accomplish this is couched in most loving terms by the apostle. He reminds the the Philippians of their past experience of always obeying, a yieldedness to God that was manifested not only when he was there but also in his absence. Now without his presence in their midst they were to give themselves all the more to a diligent working out of their salvation. In a word, it is an exhortation to realize the whole program of God in sanctification, testimony, and growth in grace.

Harry A. Ironside has an interesting introductory note on this next section applying the truth more to the entire body of believers rather than to individual believers writing that...Philippians 2:12 has often perplexed those who thought they saw clearly from Scripture the simplicity of salvation by grace, apart from works. Here, in seeming contrast to that doctrine, the apostle told the saints to work out their own salvation with fear and trembling, as though there were a possibility that salvation might be forfeited because of failure to work it out properly. Notice first, however, that the apostle did not speak of working for salvation. He spoke of working it out, which is very different.

You still cannot seem to grasp that there are 3 tenses to salvation. 1. We have been saved from the PENALTY of sin (justification) 2. We are being saved from the POWER of sin (ongoing sanctification) 3. We will be saved from the PRESENCE of sin (glorification)


This is an excellent post. I didn't read it for the difficulty of the lack of paragraphs. So much gets said on these threads. You should put more paragraphs in because this is a VERY good explanation. We have been saved from the power of sin but not the presence of sin. Walking in the spirit causes us to walk in the victory Jesus already won for us and no power can withstand it. But when we walk in our flesh., we are weak and confused human beings unable to work out the things Jesus has given us. Because they are spiritually discerned.
 

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This is an excerpt from an article from a young lady named Judi. I thought it applied to this topic too. It's only a short part of her article but discusses how we are given new hearts to work from. Her topic is on "Patience"


Some believe God puts us through various situations in order to teach us to have certain qualities like patience. I think that is backwards. Jesus came to give us something we did not already have. He gave us the Holy Spirit (and as a result, all the fruit of the Spirit) to enable us to thrive and find fulfillment in this crazy, imperfect, and sometimes frustrating world. To do so, He knew we would need patience beyond ourselves.
Patience flows out of knowing the Truth about God’s goodness and His unlimited love for you. If you believe things that aren't true, your ability to operate in patience will be limited.

Patience flows out of knowing the Truth about God’s goodness and His unlimited love for you. If you believe things that aren't true, your ability to operate in patience will be limited. You will think you are threatened when others disagree with you. Frustration will be your normal. You will find that life is overwhelming you rather than you overcoming it. If, for example, you believe God is only happy with you when you behave well or have the right theology or the right politics, the patience you extend towards yourself and others will be limited in direct correlation to that belief. Truly, the supernatural fruit of patience can only grow out of an unlimited supply of God’s love for you.


 
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What about all the people I have seen in the church have extramarital adulterous sex because they said in their heart it was God leading them?

its because people take a verse and then explain salvation according to that 1 verse. doing that will always lead astray. like this op " follow your heart " it will never lead you astray"

yet Jesus the Lord

matthe 15 " For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: 20These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man."

the idea Jesus sets forth is to let His word shape our hearts and follow the new heart shaped By Hos Gospel. were not supposed to follow our heart that again is a completely unbiblical idea. we are actually suppose to follow JESUS Heart that He shopwed us perfectly and taught us perfectly in the Gospel. Until people learn what the Bible says and stop taking a verse and explaining thoier version based on that verse excluding and omitting everythoing around the verse in order to explain their salvation it will always be a circular discussion. the idea of grace being its own gospel apart from the true Gospel is just the biggest straw man ever created.
 
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​2 Cor.5:21

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I'm not seeing your Roman Catholic interpretation of Philippians 2:12 according to Strong's concordance or Thayer's Greek Lexicon and the four Bible versions all say "work out" your salvation and NOT "work for" your salvation.

The words "ongoing sanctification" do not need to be specifically spelled out in Philippians 2:12 in order to figure out that
progressive sanctification, growth in Christ-likeness is in view here, just as the commentaries that I quoted pointed out.

This is NOT more evidence that "work out" your salvation actually means "work for" your salvation.

*Notice the word progressive. "Unto perfection" is not unto sinless perfection in this life, but growth in Christ-likeness/maturity. Once we obtain "entire sanctification" or glorification, then we will be saved from the PRESENCE of sin.

I'm not arguing against working out what has been placed within us by Christ through the Holy Spirit. As John MacArthur correctly points out - this refers to the believer's
responsibility for active pursuit of obedience in the process of sanctification.

On the justforcatholics website, Joe Mizzi (former Roman Catholic who is now a believer that witnesses to Roman Catholics through his website) correctly points out - The context makes it clear that Paul is here speaking about sanctification and not about justification. He exhorts the believers to be united together, humbly serving one another (2:1-11), and living blameless and innocent lives in the midst of an evil world (2:14,15). He is not telling them how to become right with God, but how to live righteously and thus fulfill God’s purpose for them. - Work out your salvation

Many commentaries point out that "work out your own salvation" (Philippians 2:12) does not suggest, "work for your salvation" and that is my main point and you will NEVER convince me to believe otherwise. Ultimately, pitting commentary against commentary is not going to settle the issue anyway.

Ongoing sanctification.

Heb 10: 14 For by one sacrifice he has PERFECTED FOREVER, those who are being (ongoing) sanctified.

We also see it in Heb 2, where it says both he who sanctifies and he who is being (ongoing) sanctified are one.


 
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Work out, taken from the greek word Katorgazomai - Which was actually a mining term, it is the process of mining for a gem (which was already there) and working out so it is usefull.

Jesus is telling us to work out ourt salvation, so it becomes usefull to the world. Ie we do nto do somethign that trhge world could use against us, or another term used alot, is to be above reproach.

What it does not mean, Is work to earn salvation.
 

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For those interested in hearing about the new heart we have in Christ here is an excellent video that speaks to this truth. If you have a different view - you are free in Christ to have it. The truth is an awesome thing and it sets us free and keeps us from bitterness and bickering.


<font color="#000000"><span style="font-family: Calibri"><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oahYm5ucj6g" target="_blank">[video=youtube;oahYm5ucj6g]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oahYm5ucj6g[/video]



This answers the questions about the born again man's heart very clearly. Has anyone taken the time to listen?
If you do., please give your view., I'd be interested in hearing it.