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Somebody sent me rep once. OK, maybe twice. Actually, you are an interesting person.

Thank you tourist, I go where God sends me and I speak His truth as He guides me ... I don't mean to offend anyone, but when I see they are wrong about something I will tell them ... I am not perfect and also make many mistakes myself ... I try to correct them the best that I can ... I realize people don't like being convicted, but I also realize they must know the truth if they are to change for the better ... Sometimes somebody has to look out to be the bad guy and tell them ... I guess God somehow picked me for that because my armor usually prevents the returning insults from bothering me much ...

Well, this ramble, with all the ellipses, is quite something! So, what is missing in all those places? Trailing off because you forgot what you were saying? Incoherent and couldn’t finish the sentence? Besides making it more difficult to read the text, you have overused a punctuation technique you know nothing about.

Let’s start with this:

Let’s start with - Jesus is God. That means he, even in his human body, had access to all knowledge and wisdom, besides power and glory and honour.

YOU are not God. Not even close. Do not presume to compare yourself to Jesus. Do not pretend you know the Bible as well as Jesus - like all the other young Jewish boys, growing up in Palestine in the 1st century, Jesus had memorized the Torah. Feel free to get yourself started on that project. And he also knew large tracts of other parts of the OT, as evidenced by his quotes throughout the gospels.

But even more important, he was able to apply that wisdom, because he was the unique and only Son of God!

It is almost blasphemy when you compare yourself to Jesus. It is blasphemy when you claim you can do the same things as Jesus did.

No, you did not offer sound Biblical advice on parenting. Why? Because you have not had to test your “theories” in the crucible of actually raising children. My husband thought he knew all there was to know about parenting, when our children were born. He admitted after a few years, that his application of Biblical principles were wrong! The Bible was not wrong, but his personal application was. Four children taught him that. But, fortunately, in spite of mistakes we might have made, our children knew how much we loved them, and that is one of the Biblical things that helped them thrive.

Perhaps if you had trained as a teacher or psychologist or some other profession that worked with children, your opinions might have more weight, simply because of your experience and training. But no, you choose to sit in an ivory tower, dictating to the poor OP what he MUST do, and then attacking everyone else for pages with your semi-automatic machine gun. Even if you were right, your lack of love for other Christians, and your lack of love for children shines through your massive amount of posts.

As for quoting the Bible, perhaps you need to look at how few times you quoted the Bible, compared to say, Marc, or others. Another telling sign, is you only threw a few isolated verses down from the OT. The NT is the covenant we are under. The words of Jesus would be more appropriate. Perhaps this one might have been a better choice.

”Then people brought little children to Jesus for him to place his hands on them and pray for them. But the disciples rebuked them.14 Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.” 15 When he had placed his hands on them, he went on from there.” Mat 19:13-14

The only blessing I can really find, is that you actually do not have children, and so didn’t damage them with your ridiculous ideas and your ungodly character. You tried to assasinate numerous people on this thread. You diverted attention from the original poster, and literally NEVER came back to addressing him, and what he was going through. In fact, I think it would be fair to say that YOU, and you alone drove the OP away.

I’ll let you in on a little secret. When you set yourself up as a demagogue, declare yourself to have all knowledge and application for the Bible, you have established yourself as a want-to-be petty dictator and cult leader. When people disagreed with you, you jumped down their throats. You kept screaming “me, me, me! I know it all!”

Now, if you had exegeted the Hebrew of the OT and the Greek of the NT, and given a cultural and historical background, plus how your children grew up well, using your principles (they really stopped being Biblical principles when you claimed exclusivity with those verses), and got to know people before posting over 50 posts on one thread, trying to prove your superiority, we would not be having this conversation. It would not have mattered so much whether you were a newbie or not, had you offered sound advice in love, on the issue.

Instead, I have to question if you have ever read the Bible or studied. I question whether you go to church, or don’t because people won’t accept that you are right on whatever you choose to pronounce yourself right, because “Jesus didn’t have children!” Do you even read what you write?

Finally, this is a mellow forum where people help people, who are going through crises in their lives. It is not a forum for rigid and inflexible pronouncements from someone who has NOT “been there, done that!” If I may direct you to the BDF, the Bible Discussion Forum, which is one level above this forum on the home page. There, you can fight with people for 100’s of pages on a variety of topics. Instead of trashing the poor OP who just wanted help with his son, and every other person who offered him advice that wasn’t identical to yours.

I can hardly wait to meet you in the BDF, where I will go toe to toe with you about exegeting the Bible correctly, and doctrine as well as application of that doctrine and all aspects of the Bible.

The ellipses, as you call them, are placed at the end of my sentences on purpose ... It is how I write to more separate the sentences to make the ending more clear ... If it bothers you or others I am sorry that it agitates you so ... But not sorry enough to change it ...

So, let's us start with this ...

I never once said that I was God and for your information you also are not God ... So, no matter how long you have been on this site I would say that makes us even in that regard at least ... I did not compare myself to Jesus in any way other than we both have walked the earth ... However you will treat any newcomer here is the same way you would treat Jesus if He were to step into this forum because you would not know it was He if He did appear ... That is called simple logic and deductive reasoning ...

I have never in my entire life ever claimed to be able to do the things which Jesus did ... It is ludicrous and completely unfounded for you to even suggest that I offered that behavior or even suggested any such thing ... Once again, your philosophy that one must actually raise children in order to offer sound biblical advice on the raising of children is a false narrative ... Entirely your position on that subject is false ... Show me in scripture even one place where God says that a person must first raise children in order to offer sound advice on the subject ... You cannot do that, proving your assumption to be completely false ... Interesting how when you refer to your husband it is "that he was wrong" ... However, when you include yourself you refer to it "as mistakes we might have made" ... It is evident you are very reluctant to firmly admit any mistakes of your own, but I have news for you there are plenty ... In your words, in your suggestions and in your theories ...

Also, the Bible does not require for any man to have any humanly training in order for him to be able to teach ... That is another of your false assumptions as you look to earthly institutions to place some sort of honor upon a man ... All a man needs in order to be able to teach is for him to have God in his heart ... In that very instance, it is God speaking through his mouth and God doing the teaching ... That is 100% truth and you are free to either believe that or not to believe it ... Absolutely no humanly degree of education is necessary for any person to be able to teach honorably ... Only that they listen unto the spirit ...

A machine gun is an automatic weapon ... I believe it a semi-automatic rifle you are trying to refer to ... If you prefer to get highly technical Angela two can play that game as well ...

If you think I have any "lack of love" for children then you are extremely mistaken little lady ... I suggest you read my thread on abortion ... You will not find a man on this earth that stands in the protection of children any more than I will stand for them ... How dare you claim that I have any lack of love for children ... The very worst insult you could have ever thrown my way, but it has been diverted by my armor ... God knows that is a tremendous lie that you have just placed in front of this entire forum ...

Also, a great number of quotes from the Bible is not necessary as long as one stays on track with the meaning of those verses ... Instead of generalizing so much why don't you be more specific in your onslaught ? ... Why not point out the exact words where my claims were false ? ... Let us all know exactly where my words did not coincide with the verses in the Bible ...

I agree with your verse that Jesus loved the little children ... That is precisely why I began the thread opposing the murdering of them ...

As far as the OP on that thread, if you took the time to look, you would see that I offered him very good and Godly advice in the beginning ... I did not ignore his request for help as some others did ... And for your information little lady not once have I ever claimed to know "everything" ... I challenge for you to find those words and post them for everyone to see ... It cannot be done ... Your false accusations number in the many and you just continue adding to them ...

Another false assumption you make is that I claimed some sort of superiority over someone ... I never claimed any superiority over anyone ... I merely spoke the truth of God and I am more than happy to acknowledge He as the superior to myself and to you alike ... Another of your false claims is that I "trashed" the OP of that thread ... Wrong ... I offered him very good advice and was also one of the very first to do so ... Where were you when he asked for help, I might add ... Where was this self-appointed traffic cop of the forums ? ... I didn't notice any post of you helping him to good and sound advice ... The OP stopped responding to anything long before I took up the discussion with Marc ... It was rather apparent the poster had either left or was simply no longer responding ... And when you count the responses of myself you show heavy bias as you fail to count the responses of Marc or others ... There were several people responding numerous times on that post, but you single me out to attack on that ... You can do that, it is fine but it doesn't change the fact that Marc and others were also offering many posts ... As well was it their right to do so as it was rather evident the OP was no longer responding ...

Now, if you think you can intimidate me by writing a lengthy post then you will find that not to be the case ... For as many false and misleading accusations as you would like to post to this forum I will gladly be willing to post a much more accurate and precise rebuttal ... When you speak of my words and my intentions it would only be fair if you were less biased towards your friends and a lot more accurate with your assessments ... It would be nice if you actually obtained proof of your claims before you went spreading false information ... God is not in favor of gossip and falsity ...

No wonder the OP isn't responding. All you dingbats keep derailing his thread.. :/

Most Christians will not readily accept correction but will immediately become angry and strike back in fierce defense before ever humbling themselves and admitting an error. We see that on this site every single day in the Bible Discussion Forum. And yet some here in this thread expect a child to be able to accept and endure humiliation and abuse.

YES, ABUSE!! How can you possibly believe shaming a child for messing up is what God tells us to do? Strip a child naked?? Are you people for real!? It’s not only against the law to humiliate a child (emotional abuse), but to force a child to mimic the shame of the Cross of Christ is spiritual abuse. It’s also INSANE! God explicitly tells parents not to provoke your child to anger. In fact, the Word tells us to train a child, as a teacher would, as God is patient and kind with us. Not like a crazy third world prison guard.

God doesn't treat His children in that way.

Isaiah 54:
Do not fear, for you will not be ashamed: neither will you be confounded.

For this is like the days of Noah to Me, when I swore that the waters of Noah would no more flood the earth, So have I sworn that I will not be angry with you or rebuke you. For the mountains may disappear and the hills be removed, but My kindness will not depart from you, neither will the covenant of My peace be removed, says the LORD Who has mercy on you.

How about this one:

But whoever offends one of these little ones, which believe in me, it would be better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

And, you fathers, do not provoke your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture (training, reminding) and admonition (exhortation, encouragement) of the Lord.

A child will make wrong choices because they’re still KIDS! They deserve the opportunity to learn from their mistakes by seeing an example (set by parents, teachers, & guardians) of how to make the right choices. Can you imagine your boss disciplining you the way some of you have described discipline for a child? You would call the police and they’d be arrested for assault. Kids are people - they are not pets. You don’t treat a child any different than any other human being or take away their human rights.

What is the matter with you people? Man, it’s no wonder the world is screwed up when this kind of insanity is being propagated. And no wonder people won’t come to the Lord and atheists make a mockery of God when this bizarro cultish crap is being passed off as God’s grace and loving kindness. YOU ARE WRONG!

It is NOT against the law to embarass (or humiliate) a child. Not saying it should be done, but it's not illegal.

Hi! So this is tough! There are sites like Covenant Eyes that tell someone when your child has logged on to the site so you can be aware. There are other programs that block pornography but most kids can work around them. I would have a heart to heart talk with your son. I would talk not condemn him. I would say how this can hurt his life and hurt his someday wife and marriage. I would explain that for his protection you would give him the following guidelines. No computer or phone internet unless he is with you, so you can see what he is on. When you go to bed he gives the phone and computer to you for the night also turn off any cable he could watch. Philippians says "whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely whatsoever things are good report think on these things." 11 yr old is too young to be given freedom on the internet. Guidelines today will be boundaries for tomorrow. Praying for you and your son!
H

I can guarantee you it is unlawful to force-strip a child of their clothing in order to humiliate them for Christ.

Probably a bad thing to flip out on him. You should explain why it was wrong and not make him feel like a piece of crap for being curious. It's absolutely natural for him to be curious. If anything, you're making him want to be better at hiding it. It's humiliating enough you caught him...

At the age of 11 I suspect he got curious. But the question is how he was exposed to it. You may want to make sure someone hasn't tried molesting him or exposing him to pornography, because it sounds like that's what's happened. It may have been another kid who is being molested is showing him these things.It's difficult to say in the age of the internet as these things are in front of people readily in ways they never used to be. He may have happened on it quite innocently and got curious. Either way, don't attack him for it. He's 11. He doesn't likely understand what he's seeing.

When I was 11 I didn't even understand the sex act except in general man-on-woman terms. I was playing Barbie dolls at that age and decided to make them hump each other, not really knowing what I was doing, and right then my mom blundered in and loudly scolded me.

It's a bad thing to do here. For one thing, it means the kid isn't going to be likely to feel like he can come to the parent with problems, fearing the parent is going to have another hysterical outburst. Growing up raised by a single mother with the help of an older sibling, due to the older sibling's tendency to have extreme emotional reactions to things (IMO due to father abandonment issues), I never confided in her with deeply personal issues and learned to keep my conversations with her much more superficial, wary of her outbursts and behavior which could be controlling. CRYING over a kid looking at porn is an extreme reaction. At least discern what was going on first.

Been some absolute gems recently - this one is platinum with a sapphire insert!

Now that you have had your rant you might want to consider the facts:

Neither of my children considered themselves abused or mistreated. Both remarked often that being reminded of what their forgiveness cost Jesus really did help them make good decisions. Your post reflects the psychobabble that caused the academic decline of our schools and the lack of respect for human life resulting in mass murder in our schools and our public places. It does NOT reflect Biblical teachings on discipline. My daughter is not only an effective soul winner, she is one of the kindest most gracious people you will ever meet. Who is in fact messed up? YOU ARE WRONG!

It may well be illegal in some places now. It was certainly NOT when it was done. When it was done both the world and the country were a kinder more wholesome and more intelligent place than they are now.

Heb 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

The school probably taught this young man it was normal to view porn. It is how wicked people in the state schools influence children into all sorts of perversion and deviate behaviors.

The god of this world is busy destroying the future generations.

For the cause of Christ
Roger