Bill Johnson's Presuppositional Based Hermeneutic Is A Psychosis

1) Because he rejects sound doctrine
2) I've seen videos of his carnal church

All false teachers claim to be led by the spirit. If they reject sound doctrine they are being led by a spirit, but it's not the holy spirit.

There is nothing ungodly about exposing heresies and heretics. Bill Johnson has been identified as a false teacher who teaches heresies, you perhaps you should reconsider your estimation of this preacher.

1. He teaches that Jesus SET ASIDE HIS DIVINITY.

2. Bill Johnson incredibly teaches that Jesus was "born again" in the resurrection!

3. Bill Johnson promotes the false Prosperity Gospel

4. Bill Johnson teaches that it is always God's will to heal Christians

5. Bill Johnson teaches the Word of Faith heresy

6. Bill Johnson falsely teaches that all Christians can be prophets

I really don't want to get into posting stuff on the guy. Websearching Bill + Johnson + false will give you plenty of info to keep you busy.

1) Because he rejects sound doctrine
2) I've seen videos of his carnal church

All false teachers claim to be led by the spirit. If they reject sound doctrine they are being led by a spirit, but it's not the holy spirit.

You're taking him out of context. Here's what he actually said.

"... whatever my heart is set upon when I come to the Bible, will determine much of what I see in the Bible. That can be good or bad, depending on whether or not I have “watched over my heart with all diligence” (Prov. 4:23). Those with evil in their hearts can find the confirmation they are looking for through the misreading of Scripture. The problem is not the method or approach to the Bible; it is whether or not we are willing to stay humble, honest, and hungry before the Lord. Our desperation for truth makes us available for things that others seem to continually miss. Keeping a pure heart makes the journey to God’s Word a journey where nothing is impossible."

What Bill Johnson is saying is that we have to guard our hearts and keep them pure before God if we don't want to misread His Word. As for the roadrunner, there was a lot more to that story. The roadrunner had been showing up on a regular basis when they had prayer meetings, which was very strange. They saw some prophetic significance in this odd occurrence and kind of adopted it as their mascot. When it flew into a window and died one day, Bill Johnson didn't understand why this symbol of the prophetic would die. God told him that the prophetic is not for the church, it's for the world. They need to allow the prophetic out to give it life.



If you don't agree with his theology or his interpretation of this strange story, that's your prerogative. But don't take him out of context in order to brand him a heretic or make similar accusations. That's not of God.

You all ready did when you said....

Where did that sound doctrine come from? From the church leaders that spun off the Catholic Church in the middle ages. All the Protestants did was carry all that false doctrine the Catholics started. There is your sound doctrine.

Sound doctrine is what is witnessed by the writings of the apostles and the holy spirit. Discarding or perverting the former, which is what all post-modern doctrines do, guarantees error.

Those who feel safe because of their intellectual grasp of Scriptures enjoy a false sense of security. None of us has a full grasp of Scripture, but we all have the Holy Spirit. He is our common denominator who will always lead us into truth. But to follow Him, we must be willing to follow off the map—to go beyond what we know. (Johnson: 76)

Paul's admonition against preaching 'another Jesus' just flies out the window and we end up with things like 'grave sucking', 'readings' along the lines of a fortune teller and many more subjective and untested spiritual 'revelations'

I get the feeling I touched a nerve. I'm really not interested in pursuing this constant stupid back and forth about Johnson. I thought I left you enough clues to leave the matter alone with me. It makes me wonder if you follow him or his type of doctrine and are seeking an opportunity to try to justify yourself.

You didn’t touch a nerve. You had made accusations about somebody And did not post anything to back the claims up. And still have not. And now you went as far as to make Accusations towards me. Thanks for your time.

1. He isn't saying that Jesus EVER ceased to be God. He's just saying that Jesus emptied Himself of His divine attributes (Phil. 2:7) and ministered as a man anointed by the Holy Spirit. He may have worded it clumsily, but what he was saying is essentially what John MacArthur stated about the Holy Spirit in Jesus at the Strange Fire conference. Only a heretic hunter would interpret Johnson to mean that Jesus ever ceased to be God.

2. Johnson was saying that Jesus was born in Bethlehem, and then he was born (or "begotten" in Acts 13:33) from the dead in His resurrection. Ergo, He was "born again". That doesn't mean that He ever had a sin nature and needed regeneration as we do. It just means that was born twice - once as a baby and once as the resurrected Son of God. Only a heretic hunter would miss what Bill Johnson was saying here.

3. "Tribulation" doesn't mean that you won't prosper or get your prayers answered. It means that you will receive opposition and persecution from those who don't share your world view. Bill Johnson receives plenty of opposition from people who don't like his theology and misrepresent what he believes and teaches, so he qualifies as experiencing "tribulation". But even if it wasn't always God's will to prosper His children, it wouldn't be heresy to teach that it is. It's a nonessential issue. Only a heretic hunter would claim otherwise.

4. We don't take our theology from what this guy or that guy experiences. We go by what the Bible says. Physical healing has been provided for us in the atonement. (Is. 53:4,5; Mat. 8:16,17) Jesus never turned anybody down for healing due to the fact that it wasn't God's sovereign will to heal them, and He told us that if we've seen Him we've seen the Father. Paul preached to a lame man in Acts 14 and the message that he preached caused the man to have faith for physical healing, so apparently Paul thought that healing was God's will if he was preaching it. But even if Bill Johnson was wrong about that, it's a nonessential issue and hardly qualifies as heresy. Only a heretic hunter would suggest that it's heresy to believe that God's will is healing.

5. Word of Faith teaches that faith is based on the will of God revealed in the Word of God, so it essentially agrees with what you said. And WoF teachers hold to all of the essential doctrines of the Christian faith, so WoF teaching isn't heresy. Only a heretic hunter would claim that it is.

6. I don't know if Bill Johnson teaches that or not, but the Apostle Paul said that he wished that we would all prophesy. Even if Bill is wrong on this, it's not a violation of any essential doctrine of the Christian faith so it's not heresy. Only a heretic hunter would claim that it is.


I'm not NAR and I don't agree with Bill Johnson on some things, but he's not a heretic and I am really tired of seeing people misrepresent the nature of heresy and mischaracterize people they don't agree with as heretics. Calling everybody you don't like a heretic trivializes heresy just like calling everybody a Nazi trivializes the horrors of the holocaust. Let's be a bit more responsible here, shall we?

In his book "Dreaming with God" Bill Johnson instructs that for 2,000 years Christianity has had it all wrong. Hermeneutical rules have stopped the church from a dominionist agenda that it should have. We need to not have these rules and instead approach the Bible as he does: "whatever my heart is set upon when I come to the Bible, will determine much of what I see in the Bible" p153. Bill Johnson doesn't come to the Bible to see what God has to show him but to see what he wants to see. He repeatedly says throughout the book "it is not Father, Son, Holy Bible but Holy Spirit". He claims the Holy Spirit gives him these desires which he then uses as his authority to begin his approach to the Bible. As an example, he tells the story of a roadrunner that got into his church and died. The roadrunner is kin to the eagle. The eagle represents the prophetic in the Bible. Therefore, God is speaking that the prophetic movement will die if it doesn't move out of Bill Johnson's church. Isn't that a psychosis to not see reality but see what you want to see?

well I agree with the sentiment you espouse towards the 'tude, but a little info on Johnson as in 'just the facts' presents a different picture

his background is actually Pentecostal, died in the wool Pentecostal, and I would not describe him as Charasmatic either

he is 100% NAR and I grow weary of pointing that out

but google him and he is a main cog in that large and growing number of people who believe they are called to bring Jesus back to an earthly kingdom

I know some folks who went to Bill Johnson's place in Redding, and they went there to learn their 'gifts of the Spirit.'. I've heard people from his church saying the same things that Joaniemarie here on CC says, that healing is automatic-unless you do not have enough faith. If what Bill Johnson teaches is true-then God would've healed his eyes, and he wouldn't need to wear glasses.

Bill Johnson (pastor) - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Johnson_(pastor)


Bill Johnson (born on July 18, 1951) is a Charismatic Christian revivalist, itinerant speaker, author, and the current Senior Pastor of Bethel Church in Redding, California.Denomination‎: ‎Charismatic movement
Children‎: ‎Eric Johnson; ‎Brian Johnson‎; Leah ...

Church‎: ‎Bethel Church (Redding, California)
Nationality‎: ‎American

Bethel Church (Redding, California) - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bethel_Church_(Redding,_California)


Bethel Church is a non-denominational charismatic megachurch, that was established in 1954 in Redding, California. The church, which is currently being led ...Senior pastor(s)‎: ‎Bill Johnson
Denomination‎: ‎Non-denominational charismat...

Pastor(s)‎: ‎Eric Johnson, Beni Johnson, Danny ...
Previous denomination‎: ‎Assemblies of God




Sorry, dear, you missed it this time.

1. He isn't saying that Jesus EVER ceased to be God. He's just saying that Jesus emptied Himself of His divine attributes (Phil. 2:7) and ministered as a man anointed by the Holy Spirit. He may have worded it clumsily, but what he was saying is essentially what John MacArthur stated about the Holy Spirit in Jesus at the Strange Fire conference. Only a heretic hunter would interpret Johnson to mean that Jesus ever ceased to be God.

2. Johnson was saying that Jesus was born in Bethlehem, and then he was born (or "begotten" in Acts 13:33) from the dead in His resurrection. Ergo, He was "born again". That doesn't mean that He ever had a sin nature and needed regeneration as we do. It just means that was born twice - once as a baby and once as the resurrected Son of God. Only a heretic hunter would miss what Bill Johnson was saying here.

3. "Tribulation" doesn't mean that you won't prosper or get your prayers answered. It means that you will receive opposition and persecution from those who don't share your world view. Bill Johnson receives plenty of opposition from people who don't like his theology and misrepresent what he believes and teaches, so he qualifies as experiencing "tribulation". But even if it wasn't always God's will to prosper His children, it wouldn't be heresy to teach that it is. It's a nonessential issue. Only a heretic hunter would claim otherwise.

4. We don't take our theology from what this guy or that guy experiences. We go by what the Bible says. Physical healing has been provided for us in the atonement. (Is. 53:4,5; Mat. 8:16,17) Jesus never turned anybody down for healing due to the fact that it wasn't God's sovereign will to heal them, and He told us that if we've seen Him we've seen the Father. Paul preached to a lame man in Acts 14 and the message that he preached caused the man to have faith for physical healing, so apparently Paul thought that healing was God's will if he was preaching it. But even if Bill Johnson was wrong about that, it's a nonessential issue and hardly qualifies as heresy. Only a heretic hunter would suggest that it's heresy to believe that God's will is healing.

5. Word of Faith teaches that faith is based on the will of God revealed in the Word of God, so it essentially agrees with what you said. And WoF teachers hold to all of the essential doctrines of the Christian faith, so WoF teaching isn't heresy. Only a heretic hunter would claim that it is.

6. I don't know if Bill Johnson teaches that or not, but the Apostle Paul said that he wished that we would all prophesy. Even if Bill is wrong on this, it's not a violation of any essential doctrine of the Christian faith so it's not heresy. Only a heretic hunter would claim that it is.


I'm not NAR and I don't agree with Bill Johnson on some things, but he's not a heretic and I am really tired of seeing people misrepresent the nature of heresy and mischaracterize people they don't agree with as heretics. Calling everybody you don't like a heretic trivializes heresy just like calling everybody a Nazi trivializes the horrors of the holocaust. Let's be a bit more responsible here, shall we?

Bill Johnson (pastor) - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Johnson_(pastor)


Bill Johnson (born on July 18, 1951) is a Charismatic Christian revivalist, itinerant speaker, author, and the current Senior Pastor of Bethel Church in Redding, California.Denomination‎: ‎Charismatic movement
Children‎: ‎Eric Johnson; ‎Brian Johnson‎; Leah ...

Church‎: ‎Bethel Church (Redding, California)
Nationality‎: ‎American

Bethel Church (Redding, California) - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bethel_Church_(Redding,_California)


Bethel Church is a non-denominational charismatic megachurch, that was established in 1954 in Redding, California. The church, which is currently being led ...Senior pastor(s)‎: ‎Bill Johnson
Denomination‎: ‎Non-denominational charismat...

Pastor(s)‎: ‎Eric Johnson, Beni Johnson, Danny ...
Previous denomination‎: ‎Assemblies of God




Sorry, dear, you missed it this time.