Oh goody another OSAS thread!

We are to fear slipping into unbelief. Are you a preacher? If so, why do you not know about Romans warning us to not be conceited but fear being removed from the vine because of unbelief?

"20Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear; 21for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either. "-Romans 11:20-21

is this an active chat room or just a place to make comments and get feedback?

And again, no it isn't. Paul is talking to the CHURCH and he's just stating what Christ has done for them, and if they serve the law they won't have grace. He's directing this to EVERYONE in the church in general. Not to the saved.

I'm preaching, and I am up there telling people. We must follow the Lord or we will be damned. We must not go after the law or we will fall from the grace that God has given us. We cannot serve two masters, either we love one and hate the other or visa versa. Am I talking to the SAVED PEOPLE? What's so difficult to see here? I've preached behind the pulpit like this, and I never referred to one saved person. A saved person doesn't fall from grace or go back to the law. SMH!

A saved person doesn't fall from grace or go back to the law.

For those of you who believe salvation can be forfeited, you always center your argument around human belief presenting only half the truth, since it is being declared righteous by God and declared justified by Him that is where salvation exists not in our human effort to maintain salvation.

The only way you can argue against justification is to adopt the stance that future sins are not forgiven or that eternal life is not granted at the moment of regeneration.

If the Eternal Judge who has final authority to say all sins are forgiven and paid for .......and thereby proclaim the person innocent of all crimes please show me in scripture where the person is found guilty again as in unjustified by the Judge.

Find this is in Pauls writing where he teaches explicity on justification.

For those of you who believe salvation can be forfeited, you always center your argument around human belief presenting only half the truth, since it is being declared righteous by God and declared justified by Him that is where salvation exists not in our human effort to maintain salvation.

The only way you can argue against justification is to adopt the stance that future sins are not forgiven or that eternal life is not granted at the moment of regeneration.

If the Eternal Judge who has final authority to say all sins are forgiven and paid for .......and thereby proclaim the person innocent of all crimes please show me in scripture where the person is found guilty again as in unjustified by the Judge.

Find this is in Pauls writing where he teaches explicity on justification.

Rev_3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Rev 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Christ never said He would erase a name. Christ will never erase our names from the book of Life, because God already knew who would be saved or not. So our names were written in there before the foundations of the world.

An overcomer is not a person that works really, really hard. It’s not a person that has to strive daily, trying to do nothing but good. It’s not a person that goes to Church every Sunday. It’s not the one that repents 10 times in a day for forgiveness. What is the biblical definition of an overcomer?

Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

1Jn 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

1Jn 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

We don’t overcome by our works, or some 10 point power point presentation display on how to be saved and keep your salvation. We are overcomers because of what Christ did for us on the cross. Christ is just making a simple statement here.

Rev 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

He is saying that if your name is in the book of life, that He won’t blot it out. It’s pretty simple huh?

See, this letter is talking about a dead church. It’s talking about those that have a name that is alive, but they are dead. How is the only way a person can be dead? To be without Christ. They are dead. So the letter is telling them to get saved. If you get saved, then I won’t blot your name out. If you don’t get saved, I will blot your name out. It’s quite simple when you put it all into context.

Let’s take this even further.

Rev 3:1 And to the messenger of the assembly in Sardis write: These things says he who is having the Seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars: I have known your works, and that you have the name that you do live, and you are dead;

See how Christ says that He knows their works? They have a name that they live, but are dead? Well, when Christ refers to works, then what does He tell His disciples?

Joh 6:28 They said therefore unto him, 'What may we do that we may work the works of God?'

Joh 6:29 Jesus answered and said to them, 'This is the work of God, that you may believe in him whom He did send.'

Isn’t it very clear that it’s referring to unsaved people? These people call themselves a Christian, but they have not believed that Christ was the only begotten Son of God. They do not belong to Christ, so they are dead. Christ tells them this. He said, “I know your works (you don’t believe), and you are dead.

Do you fear God?
Rev_22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

All sin is forgiven in Christ. We abide in Christ through faith, and only an ongoing life-long faith. If a person turns to habitual unbelief, that person no longer abides in Christ. How then can it be argued that that person will be saved?

I am speaking about justification which is a legal status, God declares us justified, not to be confused with regeneration, sanctification, imputed righteousness or transformation.

A saved person can fall from grace and go back to the law this is exactly what happened to some of the Galatians?
And Paul was speaking to saved people.

Heh... I fear God with a reverential fear, knowing He can take my breath at anytime because of my stupidity in my flesh. I know He can take my house, my car, my food, and anything that I have in my possession, but I am NOT afraid of Him ever taking my salvation through His Son Christ Jesus. Other than that? No I don't! I will stand in His presence one day and fall at His feet. Not because I feared Him taking my salvation, but because He is my Lord and Savior. And I done explained your first verse in chapter 3. Why not read it and then expound your wisdom on what was said? I'll get around to this verse if I feel up to it. But then again, why even reply with sound doctrine and explanation when you don't even care to respond? You didn't respond because you know what I typed was correct an you had nothing more to refute what I typed. That's why you completely ignored my reply to your Revelation chapter 3. Anyway, I might break this one down for you since you also take it out of context. But not for your benefit, because you don't read anything people say, and if you do, you don't reply because you can't reply. Why? Because you can't argue against the truth can ya? Silly boy! If u're going to play, then join in and play. Don't be a lone ranger and just post stuff, while ignoring the replies. If you're getting to responding? YAY, I can't wait. I still love the comments, because it gives me opportunity to share the truth. Love ya man. Keep them coming.

I am speaking about justification which is a legal status, God declares us justified, not to be confused with regeneration, sanctification, imputed righteousness or transformation.

Be very careful
I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy in this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will strike him with the plagues that are written in this book. (Rev 22:18 ISV)

If anyone takes away any words from the book of this prophecy, God will take away his portion of the tree of life and the holy city that are described in this book. (Rev 22:19 ISV)

Falling from grace is a doctrinal matter not a salvation issue. The man who had 'fallen from grace' had temporarily given up grace alone and was trusting in other things. He had been deceived as some on this web are deceived. But he was not lost.

Legal status can be revoked. Read Ezekiel 33:12-20.

Legal status can be revoked. Read Ezekiel 33:12-20.

Legal status can be revoked. Read Ezekiel 33:12-20.