Baptism and holy spirit
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You are wrong. Paul has insisted on understanding more than anything and in 1 Cor 14 he castigates them for speaking in tongues with no interpretetion.
He says if someone spoke in tongues and there was no interpretetion, they needed to PRAY for an interpretetion- you can not pray for a gift that you already have. The fact that Paul tells them to pray for an interpretetion shows that both gifts are not to be given one person.
And it doesn't make sense at all that someone would unknown language if they already have an interpretation.
Paul says it is better they keep quiet if there's no interpretation- meaning that it is not the tongues that is important but understanding of the congregation. So if someone has both gifts, it is good that they just go traight to the interpretetion- why not?
He says if someone spoke in tongues and there was no interpretetion, they needed to PRAY for an interpretetion- you can not pray for a gift that you already have. The fact that Paul tells them to pray for an interpretetion shows that both gifts are not to be given one person.
And it doesn't make sense at all that someone would unknown language if they already have an interpretation.
Paul says it is better they keep quiet if there's no interpretation- meaning that it is not the tongues that is important but understanding of the congregation. So if someone has both gifts, it is good that they just go traight to the interpretetion- why not?
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It is funny that in the 1st century, the gifts from the same spirit included raising the dead/healing the sick even in masses- yet today we have a 'spirit' that only deals with giving the ability to speak in tongues to numerous people with no singke interpretetion/ raising of the dead is forgotten.
If raising the dead is long gone, even genuine speaking in tongues is gone, because they are from the same spirit.
No wonder it is end times and God is still calling His beloved to come out of Babylon; His beloved doesn't have a clue, they are busy with fake signs and all along thinking they are in Jerusalem.
If raising the dead is long gone, even genuine speaking in tongues is gone, because they are from the same spirit.
No wonder it is end times and God is still calling His beloved to come out of Babylon; His beloved doesn't have a clue, they are busy with fake signs and all along thinking they are in Jerusalem.
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Exactly my thoughts as well. I see many "just because you haven't seen it personally doesn't mean it can't/doesn't happen" replies but their merit is weighed against the truth of their non-occurrence(s). The 1st century miraculous was never left to question or doubt. It was clearly and plainly undeniable even and especially so to those whose skepticism was greatest. This was their purpose. But today we're often told that we don't see because we do doubt the authenticity of today's claims. If they were real and true, there'd be zero doubting to be had. It truly is as simple as that.
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Gaaah! My gosh, I almost wish I'd never said it...
I concede that it is possible to receive more than one gift/manifestation. (Paul himself is proof).I can't figure why God would do tongues that way instead of giving a third witness (the Spirit, the speaker, and the interpreter), but I concede that it is possible. I ALSO believe that it does not HAVE to be the speaker who interprets. I would rather concede in places that something COULD be true based on scripture, and save my disagreeing for things I KNOW aren't true like...that you cannot call Jesus Lord without tongues, or that they are the only way to pray in the Spirit, or that the gift is given to everyone.
I concede that it is possible to receive more than one gift/manifestation. (Paul himself is proof).I can't figure why God would do tongues that way instead of giving a third witness (the Spirit, the speaker, and the interpreter), but I concede that it is possible. I ALSO believe that it does not HAVE to be the speaker who interprets. I would rather concede in places that something COULD be true based on scripture, and save my disagreeing for things I KNOW aren't true like...that you cannot call Jesus Lord without tongues, or that they are the only way to pray in the Spirit, or that the gift is given to everyone.
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Amen God is no longer bringing any new prophecy which would include tongues .Tongues is prophecy spoken in may languages we have the complete or perfect ..the old and new testament .why would any one want to go above that which is wriitten
I would agree with that. Tongues which is God bringing new prophecy in another languages other than Hebrew is a sign to those who beleive not prophecy, (the word of God). With the mocking lips of God called stammering lips He would bring his prophecy to all the nations of the whole world .The time of reformation had come.
The foundation for tongues cannot be ignored.
For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean.Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear. But the word of the Lord was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.Wherefore hear the word of the Lord, ye scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem. Isaiah
Falling backward and be broken, and snared, and taken or today being slain in the spirit represents a person is under the judgment of Christ .Those who seek after sign have made it something to be sought after also in a hope it is evidence of the Holy Spirit It is but not the kind of evidence of those who do believe prophecy. the kind of
There is no outward sign as evidence of the Holy Spirit. Why turn it upside down as if it was evidence of something good?
Wherefore tongues are for a sign, "not to them that believe"(God's word), but "to them that believe not:" but prophesying (God's word) serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe. 1 Cor 14:22
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Prophecy spoken in all the languages of the world as of the first century reformation is the interpreter .New prophecy has ceased. We have the whole law with nothing missing by which we could know Him unseen any more adequately. A person cannot claim to have a personal relationship with God and they say they need someone else a third party to interpret what God is saying. "Did God really say?"
We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost 2 Peter 1:19-21
It's not trust in Peter with all of ones heart soul or mind, or trust Paul, as if they were crucified for our sins. God brought the revelation (prophecy) and interpreted it. No third witness. God does not accept the witness of sinful men as the things of men seen. We continue to walk by faith the unseen, the spiritual understanding hid form the lost.
We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost 2 Peter 1:19-21
It's not trust in Peter with all of ones heart soul or mind, or trust Paul, as if they were crucified for our sins. God brought the revelation (prophecy) and interpreted it. No third witness. God does not accept the witness of sinful men as the things of men seen. We continue to walk by faith the unseen, the spiritual understanding hid form the lost.
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