In that day seven women will take hold of one man

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In that day seven women
will take hold of one man
and say, “We will eat our own food
and provide our own clothes;
only let us be called by your name.
Take away our disgrace!”

And in that day God shall shine gloriously in counsel on the earth, to exalt and glorify the remnant of Israel.

Is 4:1-2, NIV + LXX

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HeRoseFromTheDead

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The LXX doesn't have in that day in verse 1. verse 4:1 may be part of the previous chapter that talks about the decimation of Judah by Babylon.
 
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I believe the 7 women means the 7 churches....or the 7 "kinds" of churches as related in the book of Revelation. The "one man" is Christ the Lord who takes away our sins and our reproach. All churches seek to be called by His name.
 
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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
The LXX doesn't have in that day in verse 1. verse 4:1 may be part of the previous chapter that talks about the decimation of Judah by Babylon.
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Yes, the first part is from NIV. Maybe these two parts are not to be together...
 
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Latour said:
I believe the 7 women means the 7 churches....or the 7 "kinds" of churches as related in the book of Revelation. The "one man" is Christ the Lord who takes away our sins and our reproach. All churches seek to be called by His name.
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Interesting. But churches are getting food and clothes from Christ...
 
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trofimus said:
Interesting. But churches are getting food and clothes from Christ...
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Really? How much of what we do, and where we go is directly inspired by God? Think of Ananias whom God sent to Paul as an example of someone attentive to the Spirit. How many in any given church do that?

How many remain naked until clothed by the Lord...how many are sure of themselves without any supernatural signs to prove it?
 
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Really? How much of what we do, and where we go is directly inspired by God? Think of Ananias whom God sent to Paul as an example of someone attentive to the Spirit. How many in any given church do that?

How many remain naked until clothed by the Lord...how many are sure of themselves without any supernatural signs to prove it?
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"Every good gift is from above".

"What do you have and it was not given to you?"
 
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"Every good gift is from above".

"What do you have and it was not given to you?"
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true...but how many are led by the Spirit? How many use freedom movement to do as they please? How many are slaves of Christ?
 
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Chapter 3 really should be read before assuming verse 1 goes with chapter 4. It describes a very dire situation in which Judea and Jerusalem are judged for their wickedness by Babylon. No doubt many men would die in battle leaving an excess of women. Being without a husband was considered a reproach in those days. It really could be that simple.
 
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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
Chapter 3 really should be read before assuming verse 1 goes with chapter 4. It describes a very dire situation in which Judea and Jerusalem are judged for their wickedness by Babylon. No doubt many men would die in battle leaving an excess of women. Being without a husband was considered a reproach in those days. It really could be that simple.
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OK..but God likes to add a deeper layer meaning...a spiritual one...since He is Spirit. It's just something He likes to do! :)
 
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OK..but God likes to add a deeper layer meaning...a spiritual one...since He is Spirit. It's just something He likes to do! :)
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Yeah I know. I just get so frustrated with folks who try to read a futuristic interpretation into all OT prophecy. It's not spiritually healthy and really takes away from Christs glory through it's myopic self-centeredness.
 
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Yeah I know. I just get so frustrated with folks who try to read a futuristic interpretation into all OT prophecy. It's not spiritually healthy and really takes away from Christs glory through it's myopic self-centeredness.
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A spiritual message hidden in the text is the whole purpose of the word being an actual guide to life. Otherwise is is just a dry history written by men.

I look at the word from the view that is a guide to righteousness. What happens in the future is of much lesser importance...especially if we are not ready spiritually! :)
 
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Yes, Latour. :) Jesus said the words I give you are spirit and truth.
Of course they have a literal meaning also, but that is just a temporary thing. That is not the spirit of the words.

And it is the spirit of the words that avails a man.
Not that history lessons aren't okay. They are fun to learn. :)
 
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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
Yeah I know. I just get so frustrated with folks who try to read a futuristic interpretation into all OT prophecy. It's not spiritually healthy and really takes away from Christs glory through it's myopic self-centeredness.
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I think I understand what you're saying here...
I see a lot of eschatological arguments in here and yet see the men who engage most strenuously in them to not be walking in the Spirit. They aren't growing in the virtues, they're just completely absorbed in things that will happen later. Is that kind of what you mean?
 
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A spiritual message hidden in the text is the whole purpose of the word being an actual guide to life. Otherwise is is just a dry history written by men.
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Sometimes the dry history is the purpose because it glorifies GOD by showing that he says what he means and means what he says. Ignoring past fulfillments to project them into the future is unbelief and dishonors GOD.
 
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And eschatology, like everything else - if you know everything there is to know about endtimes but you don't walk in the Spirit in love, you're just a noisy bell.
 
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Stunnedbygrace said:
I think I understand what you're saying here...
I see a lot of eschatological arguments in here and yet see the men who engage most strenuously in them to not be walking in the Spirit. They aren't growing in the virtues, they're just completely absorbed in things that will happen later. Is that kind of what you mean?
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Yep.
 
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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
Sometimes the dry history is the purpose because it glorifies GOD by showing that he says what he means and means what he says. Ignoring past fulfillments to project them into the future is unbelief and dishonors GOD.
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I don't know...what I see men do is not to ignore past fulfillments but rather to say that it wasn't complete or didn't meet ALL of the requirements or points to have been the full fulfillment...
 
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Stunnedbygrace said:
I don't know...what I see men do is not to ignore past fulfillments but rather to say that it wasn't complete or didn't meet ALL of the requirements or points to have been the full fulfillment...
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Sometimes that's real, sometimes not. Most times not IMO. It really creates a lot of confusion IMO to jumble things all together. How can we really understand what GOD is saying to us if we really don't understand the message GOD was speaking to others? There's always a message there for us, but many times the prophecy doesn't concern us at all, and trying to make it do so is a distraction and confusion. For example, what does Isaiah chapter 3 have to do with us? Nothing. We can still derive spiritual benefit from it, though, by understanding how GOD deals with his people who disobey.
 
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OK..but God likes to add a deeper layer meaning...a spiritual one...since He is Spirit. It's just something He likes to do! :)
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ummm

IMO, seems a good number of people actually like to 'add a deeper level' and I believe that is what you have done here

God is Spirit as scripture says, but He also created us in a package with the spirit part inside

very often, the Bible says what it is saying, as it is written and means simply what it says
 
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