Speaking in tongues

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notuptome

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so you can'y say you were ever wrong about the word of God in your understanding ?
Doctrinally but then I've been subjected to some of the best preachers in recent history. Probably some ancillary issues but not core doctrinal matters.

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CS1

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Doctrinally but then I've been subjected to some of the best preachers in recent history. Probably some ancillary issues but not core doctrinal matters.

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Roger
you are saying you have never been corrected before concerning the Bible ?
 
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7seasrekeyed

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Yet, you don't comprehend your prayers when you pray in tongues ? Irony can be a sad thing.

that's not ture

how would I know that praying in tongues is effective if I never understood or saw the outcome?

you don't know what you are talking about
 

notuptome

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you are saying you have never been corrected before concerning the Bible ?
Are you going to endeavor to correct me? Perhaps reveal to me some great doctrinal error?

I have bounced some things off of men that I trust to verify or gain greater insight into but actual error? I'm pretty cautious about what I believe. I rely upon Gods word and the Holy Spirit to guide me. To date the Holy Spirit has not failed me.

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Are you going to endeavor to correct me? Perhaps reveal to me some great doctrinal error?

I have bounced some things off of men that I trust to verify or gain greater insight into but actual error? I'm pretty cautious about what I believe. I rely upon Gods word and the Holy Spirit to guide me. To date the Holy Spirit has not failed me.

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Roger
so you cannot say that you ever have been wrong in the word of God ?
 
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7seasrekeyed

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There is nothing to find fault with in this post. I do not see how this supports the position you take on tongues.

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Roger

you don't, eh?


5) He gives us spiritual gifts for the edification of believers.
1 Corinthians 12:4-7 There are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. There are differences of ministries, but the same Lord. And there are diversities of activities, but it is the same God who works all in all. But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all:
1 Corinthians 14:12 Even so you, since you are zealous for spiritual gifts, let it be for the edification of the church that you seek to excel.


it's scripture and it has not stopped and that which is perfect is not yet here and it was never a gift only for unbelieving Jews as you are wont to say

here come the objections :rolleyes:
 
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pjharrison

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So how do you differentiate between spiritual language tongues and human language tongues?

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Roger
if you can't understand you will need in interpreter. Someone may be able to understand the human language. If it is a message from God he will give understanding to someone to translate, but if it is demonic no one will be able to translate it.
 
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pjharrison

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that's not ture

how would I know that praying in tongues is effective if I never understood or saw the outcome?

you don't know what you are talking about
Are you saying that you can understand what you are saying when praying in tongues
 

CS1

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Are you going to endeavor to correct me? Perhaps reveal to me some great doctrinal error?

I have bounced some things off of men that I trust to verify or gain greater insight into but actual error? I'm pretty cautious about what I believe. I rely upon Gods word and the Holy Spirit to guide me. To date the Holy Spirit has not failed me.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
Nope just wanting to see if you have ever been wrong according the your understanding of the word of God that's all . You see you can say it because of your pride. Peter was wrong and Jesus corrected Him in a dream . And yes I have been wrong too
and been corrected . But I will never fully listen to aman who cannot say that they have been wrong in thier understanding of the word of God. that is pride and error.
 
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7seasrekeyed

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Are you saying that you can understand what you are saying when praying in tongues

I am saying that I often do know what I am praying about and have seen that is so after the fact

there are times I do not know, but I will keep asking but we do not always know

if you are praying for a missionary over in some land you have never been to, do you not trust that God hears and answers your prayer?

see, this is not babble as some would mock. this is real and as personal experience is subjective, you need to understand that the Bible is not

the main objective of God sending the Holy Spirit to indwell believers is to give them power to witness of Christ...of the gospel

it isn't tongues or another gift. the Holy Spirit always glorifies Jesus. the gifts serve a purpose. they are not an end in themselves

and as understanding what is being spoken in tongues is also a gift I would understand that at least in my own life, I do pretty much understand what is going on

but again, that is subjective, although I speak the truth

but you know, if people want to change or disbelieve scripture they will continue to do so
 
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jaybird88

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if you can't understand you will need in interpreter. Someone may be able to understand the human language. If it is a message from God he will give understanding to someone to translate, but if it is demonic no one will be able to translate it.
why does the Most High not just speak to the interpreter like He did with all the prophets?
 

notuptome

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Nope just wanting to see if you have ever been wrong according the your understanding of the word of God that's all . You see you can say it because of your pride. Peter was wrong and Jesus corrected Him in a dream . And yes I have been wrong too
and been corrected . But I will never fully listen to aman who cannot say that they have been wrong in thier understanding of the word of God. that is pride and error.
So you want to judge me? Well if you demonstrate from Gods word that I am in error I would be only too happy to receive the correction. Subjective interpretation will not serve as evidence that I am not in harmony with Gods teaching.

Peter was not wrong doctrinally only in some sanctification items.

Some here believe that tongues are of such magnitude that if you do not speak in tongues you are not saved. Perhaps you could devote some teaching on why that is incorrect. My teaching would obviously biased. LOL

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I think this would be a good time to remember why the Holy Spirit was sent, by God, AFTER Jesus ascended
Good list 7seasrekeyed but you left out a couple of important elements
a God given prayer language - praying in the Holy Spirit directly to the throne of grace
the Spirit of adoption wherein those truly baptized in the Holy Spirit become sons and daughters of our
Father in heaven through our Lord Jesus Christ

9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ,
he is none of his.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry,
Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself bears witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also
glorified together.
Romans 8:
 

Waggles

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2 Thess 2: 9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie,
You keep on calling the work and the gifts of the Holy Spirit demonic and Satanic.
Best you read what Jesus had to say about those who claimed he ws a devil and did his miracles through the power
of Beelzebub.
Something about an unforgivable sin …
 

notuptome

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you don't, eh?


5) He gives us spiritual gifts for the edification of believers.
1 Corinthians 12:4-7 There are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. There are differences of ministries, but the same Lord. And there are diversities of activities, but it is the same God who works all in all. But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all:
1 Corinthians 14:12 Even so you, since you are zealous for spiritual gifts, let it be for the edification of the church that you seek to excel.


it's scripture and it has not stopped and that which is perfect is not yet here and it was never a gift only for unbelieving Jews as you are wont to say

here come the objections :rolleyes:
I believe that God gifts men to His service in todays church. Eph 4:11 would be a confirmation of the same.

Great idea but scripture is what has caused to confirming signs of tongues to cease. The authority of the speaker is now in the bible and no longer dependent upon the man. Apostles and prophets needed to demonstrate their authority in the early church.

Scripture in 1Cor does say that the sign of tongues is for unbelievers. Scripture also says that it is Jews that seek signs and not Gentiles. So yes it is in scripture. It just doesn't suit your narrative.

It's ok because I won't accuse you of not being saved like some would do to me as a non tongues speaker.

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Roger
 

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Even when spoken in private, it won't be fruitful for we pray for things we know and need, no one prays for things they don't know.
And there's no translation today just like there's no raising of the dead today.
Complete rubbish.
In The Revival Fellowship we operate diversity of tongues followed by interpretation in full accordance with the rules
for such laid out by Paul the Apostle.

Prove to the world that there is no raising of the dead today.
Show us your evidence to support such a crass ignorant statement of unbelief.
 
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SpoonJuly

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Good list 7seasrekeyed but you left out a couple of important elements
a God given prayer language - praying in the Holy Spirit directly to the throne of grace
the Spirit of adoption wherein those truly baptized in the Holy Spirit become sons and daughters of our
Father in heaven through our Lord Jesus Christ

9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ,
he is none of his.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry,
Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself bears witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also
glorified together.
Romans 8:
Are you suggesting that if I do not prey in some special PRAYER LANGUAGE I do not have the Holy Spirit and I am not a son of God?
 

yellowcanary

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how would I know that praying in tongues is effective if I never understood or saw the outcome?

you don't know what you are talking about
You do understand what you're praying for then .. in tongues ? Is it earthly languages as occurred at Pentecost or an angelic/heavenly language ? Surely you'd know given that you understand the language ?