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notuptome

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The antichrist declairs himself to be the messiah, even rome would never support him, i believe she will be destroyed before he sets himself up in the holy of holys, the catholic church would be hard pressed to support the biblical antichrist.
I think you are correct. I think Rome will join with Islam then together they will come against all the other religions. Finally they will come against Israel. But that is just speculation as only God knows what is going to occur in the end.

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PurpleCandles

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Yep, they also want one world religion to support one world government. I heard it for long time

I know someone who works in the entertainment industry.
One night they had a buzz on and I figured I'd get them to start talking about what I've heard about for awhile. That in order to avoid mass panic when new agendas introduce their particulars is through the entertainment industry. Small and large screen. See, X-Files, and now it's being revisited with new episodes by the way. See Star Trek. And most particularly, as pertains to the video population control points, the latest installment in the movie franchise, The Purge. Where murder for one 24 hour or so period is lawful. For the purposes of you guessed it population reduction.

Great video! Though supposedly Agenda 21 has been upgraded to a new plan since the current 21 has its roots firm in global society.
Pass that video around. Forewarned is forearmed. And we'll definitely need to be armed. I have no problem with dying because I know where I'm going. I do have a huge problem with some government crud trying to make that happen before its time.

Oh, and on small screen there's the broadcast now of the former big screen movie The Kingsman Secret Service. It's too graphic to post here. But if you go to YouT and look for Kingsman: The Secret Service Church Scene , you'll see why I say that. The point is, in that movie they portray cell phone SIM cards being used to program people to act out without any conscious way of stopping it.

60 Minutes last year broadcast a guy who was a designer of Android programs and cells. He said that the phones are made to emit a signal that makes the user unable to be without them. They're addicted to use and contact with their phone. The show is aptly called, Brain Hacking.
Your cell phone is being programmed to make you addicted to it.

That guy that worked for the entertainment industry? He basically said, if you want to bring an entire culture into a new age way of thinking show them how.
 

Jackson123

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The antichrist declairs himself to be the messiah, even rome would never support him, i believe she will be destroyed before he sets himself up in the holy of holys, the catholic church would be hard pressed to support the biblical antichrist.
In 1512 Christopher Marcellus said this to Pope Julius II:
Take care that we lose not that salvation, that life and breath which thou hast given us, for thou art our shepherd, thou art our physician, thou art our governor, thou art our husbandman, thou art finally another God on earth (emphasis added).iii


The Gloss of Extravagantes of Pope John XXII says this:
But to believe that our Lord God the Pope the establisher of said decretal, and of this, could not decree, as he did decree, should be accounted heretical (emphasis added).v



we readily understand the devotion of Saint Francis of Assisi for "the Lord Pope",the daughterly outspokenness of Saint Catherine of Siena towards the one whom she called "sweet Christ on earth", the apostolic obedience and the sentire cum Ecclesia of Saint Ignatius Loyola,and the joyful profession of faith made by Saint Teresa of Avila: "I am a daughter of the Church" (emphases added).xi


This is the link

http://amazingdiscoveries.org/R-Pope_Rome_blasphemy_power_Jesus
 

Jackson123

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The antichrist declairs himself to be the messiah, even rome would never support him, i believe she will be destroyed before he sets himself up in the holy of holys, the catholic church would be hard pressed to support the biblical antichrist.

This is what the Bible say about wher the antichrist came from

1 john 2

18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

They went out from us but not one of us.

When john say us, mean Christian, because john is Christian.

Went out from Christian but not christian

Look like Christian but not

To me it is pope.
 

Jackson123

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I know someone who works in the entertainment industry.
One night they had a buzz on and I figured I'd get them to start talking about what I've heard about for awhile. That in order to avoid mass panic when new agendas introduce their particulars is through the entertainment industry. Small and large screen. See, X-Files, and now it's being revisited with new episodes by the way. See Star Trek. And most particularly, as pertains to the video population control points, the latest installment in the movie franchise, The Purge. Where murder for one 24 hour or so period is lawful. For the purposes of you guessed it population reduction.

Great video! Though supposedly Agenda 21 has been upgraded to a new plan since the current 21 has its roots firm in global society.
Pass that video around. Forewarned is forearmed. And we'll definitely need to be armed. I have no problem with dying because I know where I'm going. I do have a huge problem with some government crud trying to make that happen before its time.

Oh, and on small screen there's the broadcast now of the former big screen movie The Kingsman Secret Service. It's too graphic to post here. But if you go to YouT and look for Kingsman: The Secret Service Church Scene , you'll see why I say that. The point is, in that movie they portray cell phone SIM cards being used to program people to act out without any conscious way of stopping it.

60 Minutes last year broadcast a guy who was a designer of Android programs and cells. He said that the phones are made to emit a signal that makes the user unable to be without them. They're addicted to use and contact with their phone. The show is aptly called, Brain Hacking.
Your cell phone is being programmed to make you addicted to it.

That guy that worked for the entertainment industry? He basically said, if you want to bring an entire culture into a new age way of thinking show them how.

Look scary brother, nothing we can do, it is prophecied, it must happen, seem to me it will happen in the near future, all we can do is close to Him as must we can.
 

Danny1988

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That is far from the truth. Gods word is straight forward and simple. Men are sinners and in need of redemption. Christ died to redeem them but they must come to Him and seek for forgiveness.

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Roger
God's Word is obviously not that straight forward. Your understanding is "but they must come to Him and seek forgiveness".

The bible says none seek Him, all have gone astray. So I take that to mean that none will come to him and seek forgiveness unless he draws them to Himself first. Other scriptures say we are dead in our trespasses and He quickens us.

So, yes people understand the scriptures in many different ways. That's why we have 35,000 Christian religions all claiming to be the one true one.
 
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This is what the Bible say about wher the antichrist came from

1 john 2

18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

They went out from us but not one of us.

When john say us, mean Christian, because john is Christian.

Went out from Christian but not christian

Look like Christian but not

To me it is pope.

He could be one of them . So could Nicole of the sect of the Nicolaitans. You could say the Pope is poster child but not limited by him as the many .Scripture defines the motive of operation.

Even Peter in Mathew 16.was used as one of the many antichrists with the Son of man when Peter was under the influence of the god of this world trying to usurp the authority of the Holy Spirit .

Christ forgave Peter of his blasphemy . When the Son of man as that seen left.. blasphemy against the unseen Holt Spirit is not forgivable .that window was only open for a short period .(33 years)

I beleive we learn to be careful to distinguish between the things of men seen and those of God not seen . The things of men seen offend the things of God not seen

Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

I would say a perfect description of the antichrists that insist a man seen must teach making the work of Him not seen to no effect


Yes, Christ defines the us and those who went out from us. The ones (antichrists) that went out are from us are identified as those who as a law of men say other men must trust a man (fathers) seen to teach us (Pope) even though we already know that we abide in Christ not seen as he teaches us .

As the scriptures continue to identify the workings of the antichrists( Many)

These things have I written unto you concerning them (antichrists) that seduce you. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.1 John2

The word it identifies the faith of God .The it that the gates of hell could never prevail against .The good news gospel

The Catholic simply applied the it to Peter therefore blaspheming the Holy name we are called by.
 

Danny1988

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Dude, you keep saying the same thing over and over again. You don't realize that it actually isn't that simple right?

If it were that simple, even the sinfulness of man would not be able to complicate the message, it would be on a whole other level of transcendence. But it is not. People are still confused by it, no matter how much they understand the concept of "sin" and accept it.

These blanket statements may work for your common Sunday church goer, but when you try to use these lines with people that have lived on both sides of the faith and actually educate themselves with the content, history, and study, this won't work.
You left out one crucial Biblical fact, that is "The word of God is foolishness to those who are perishing" also nobody will ever understand scripture unless the Holy Spirit reveals the truth about it's meaning.

God deliberately wrote the Holy Scriptures in a way that they would only make sense to His elect, and they would confound and confuse the carnal intelligent man. God reveals the truth to the simple humble people and hides it from the proud and wise guys.
 

Danny1988

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Let me put it this way so you can see the irony in this mess.

God, the all knowing timeless being which far surpasses all understanding. He was, is and is to come. Never changing, completely omniscient, omnipotent and all powerful. His intellect and creativity is something that cannot be conceived within the human futile mind. By the way, this book(bible) here tells exactly everything about God and who he is, come learn about him, we'll teach ya.
If you don't believe that the Holy Bible is Gods Word, then you are not a Christian and you can't call yourself a believer. You are either Atheist or Agnostic
 

shrume

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You left out one crucial Biblical fact, that is "The word of God is foolishness to those who are perishing" also nobody will ever understand scripture unless the Holy Spirit reveals the truth about it's meaning.

God deliberately wrote the Holy Scriptures in a way that they would only make sense to His elect, and they would confound and confuse the carnal intelligent man. God reveals the truth to the simple humble people and hides it from the proud and wise guys.
God's elect are anyone who chooses to believe, something anyone can freely choose to do.

John 3:
16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
 

Jackson123

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He could be one of them . So could Nicole of the sect of the Nicolaitans. You could say the Pope is poster child but not limited by him as the many .Scripture defines the motive of operation.

Even Peter in Mathew 16.was used as one of the many antichrists with the Son of man when Peter was under the influence of the god of this world trying to usurp the authority of the Holy Spirit .

Christ forgave Peter of his blasphemy . When the Son of man as that seen left.. blasphemy against the unseen Holt Spirit is not forgivable .that window was only open for a short period .(33 years)

I beleive we learn to be careful to distinguish between the things of men seen and those of God not seen . The things of men seen offend the things of God not seen

Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

I would say a perfect description of the antichrists that insist a man seen must teach making the work of Him not seen to no effect


Yes, Christ defines the us and those who went out from us. The ones (antichrists) that went out are from us are identified as those who as a law of men say other men must trust a man (fathers) seen to teach us (Pope) even though we already know that we abide in Christ not seen as he teaches us .

As the scriptures continue to identify the workings of the antichrists( Many)

These things have I written unto you concerning them (antichrists) that seduce you. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.1 John2

The word it identifies the faith of God .The it that the gates of hell could never prevail against .The good news gospel

The Catholic simply applied the it to Peter therefore blaspheming the Holy name we are called by.
The identity of antichrist are

1. When out from Christian but not, can be pope or other false Christian, but not Muslim or Hindu etc because Muslim not went out from us.

2. Will rule the world. Must be a man with big influence, like pope or Trump etc, talking about political leader, ruler of a country or kingdom

3. Rev 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

Being worship, must be religious figure

So we have religious leader and political leader

Pope is religious leader with billion members, and political leader, because vatican is a country
 

Danny1988

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God's elect are anyone who chooses to believe, something anyone can freely choose to do.

John 3:
16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Yes, that's a hard one to deal with. On the one hand we have the Bible says the elect were chosen before the foundation of the world, then in other places it sounds like whosoever can freely choose.

Both can't be right, so one must choose a position so I choose the position of God is sovereign over all things including salvation. He has the right to give it to some and deny it to others.

I guess this question has been debated for centuries by highly learned Bible scholars and theologians, they still haven't come to a consensus so we just have to accept the fact that it will continue to divide the Church.
 

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I've suspected the antichrist was trump for a LONG time, lately I have my doubts, he's just not smart enough but maybe someone in the shadows pulling his strings, is. The pope? well he dosn't have the military power. Someone from the joint chiefs of staff more likely like JOHN BOULTON? Now there's 1 scary dude .
 

Jackson123

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I've suspected the antichrist was trump for a LONG time, lately I have my doubts, he's just not smart enough but maybe someone in the shadows pulling his strings, is. The pope? well he dosn't have the military power. Someone from the joint chiefs of staff more likely like JOHN BOULTON? Now there's 1 scary dude .
Remember, people worship him, sound like religious figure, and head of the country, pope is jesuit, Jesuit is military for catholic

Read this link

http://www.thebibleistheotherside.org/newsitem24.htm


THE JESUITS

The Secret Army of the Papacy

by Shaun Willcock
 

calibob

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ok, i just woke up and hit refresh to see if i had any messages before i turn off the the lights. i saved for tomorrow. i may get back with you tomorrow. g'night bob
 
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If you don't believe that the Holy Bible is Gods Word, then you are not a Christian and you can't call yourself a believer. You are either Atheist or Agnostic
I called myself a heathen. Recalling my Christian experience is a whole other topic.
 

Danny1988

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I called myself a heathen. Recalling my Christian experience is a whole other topic.
Could I encourage you to repent and do the first works again. God will receive you back into His family, I was back slidden for years but I repented and found forgiveness and a new life.
All you need to do is forget everything that has happened and what you may have concluded and come to the table with a fresh approach. Get on your knees and pray, God will not turn you away. He will bless you and liberate you from confusion, you will be free indeed.
 

calibob

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Remember, people worship him, sound like religious figure, and head of the country, pope is jesuit, Jesuit is military for catholic

Read this link

http://www.thebibleistheotherside.org/newsitem24.htm


THE JESUITS

The Secret Army of the Papacy

by Shaun Willcock

I didn't get saved by going to church. I never aligned myself with any denomination in practice or faith and the link you provided is full of typos and spelling errors so it's difficult to take seriously especially when the bottom of the page identifies it to be of Baptist origin. What I was looking for was evidence that the Pope or the vatican has access to weapons of mass destruction in volumes great enough to carry out a battle of appocolypticol size enough for me to suspect that the Pope is in fact the Antichrist. I most certainly know how devious and clever the Vatican be but it's hard to take someone serious that says they'd like to baptize E.T.s, nope, don't buy it, yet.
 
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This is what the Bible say about wher the antichrist came from

1 john 2

18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

They went out from us but not one of us.

When john say us, mean Christian, because john is Christian.

Went out from Christian but not christian

Look like Christian but not

To me it is pope.
the pope was never christian, The antichrists john spoke of who left us, were part of the "many antichrists, not the one)

the antichrist will be a leader of reformed nation in europe. He will be very charismatic, he will bring peace to the earth for 3.5 years,

Again, the pope will not do this, at best you may see th epope as the false prophet. But I do not even see this

I see rome as babylon the great fake pagan religion who attempted to Rrepresent the true religion of God, who is destroyed.