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Protek

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So over a decade and a half ago a friend of mine overdosed me on a hallucinogenic drug because he thought I had something to do with his abusive relationship ending, while I was emotionally involved in the jerry springer episode I didn't cross any of the lines one would have at the time. While I have placed the blame on him with hesitation, I have to assume there were darker forces at play greater than him. I have even told him "there is no way you could have caused this". And by caused this I mean the 15 year journey I have been on. It has involved some of the darkest places I have imagined and short of physical harm, I don't know if there are all that many places deeper to go. Until tonight I had assumed it was just him being a terrible person, but then I realized..... he had probably been on a drug binge some time before luring me to the former home he had shared with his girlfriend. While in the depths of his torment, a room mate came in the door who had been gone for a couple weeks, having brought home someone he somehow met that was gone just as much.

I'm not sure my point here, I guess that I am attempting to sort through what is unworldly and what is a chemical imbalance. While I have experienced what I currently believe to be angel's entering my life...... I'm stuck with the question.......... am I just glitched and my brain doesn't work properly? Was none of my profound experience from spirits? I have experienced torment that my own brain would never conjure, and I have experienced comfort that I would never allow myself if I were simply broken.

How do I rectify the decade and a half of being attacked by Demon's and protected by Angel's and just move on with my life? My constant companion.... Pahtup..... rather my guardian angel needs to go away and I have to be as I once was, what I can barely remember. When I was a kid I can remember the times that my angel spoke into my life for major moment's, and I can also remember times that were glorious to have shared with an angel. While I didn't know who Jesus was and cared nothing for god, he was with me. There was a very very tiny part of the alpha and the omega who devoted everything it has to my own existance.

One of the main thing's I have learned is that with every single human being..... there is a little part of god that will NEVER leave. A very tiny Jesus Christ who suffers with all of man kind even when they don't know he is there. When I realized that he had been with me that entire time and never once left me........... I couldn't help but feel pain for all of the stupid thing's I had done. I couldn't help but feel the promise of deliverance and the glory of grace. It has been a very long time since he has promised that to me and I still do not consider myself redeemed. I am indeed in grace because I should be where I was all those years ago. However I have prayed to no end for the lord to lead me to the souls that he is suffering next to, as I was and still am, and asked him to bring the holy spirit with me (*and shout out to Gabriel for always bringing pure light when I couldn't cope). Anyways I have devoted much of my life to tending to the down trodden even when I could literally do nothing for myself and had NOTHING left in me. *"*for lord, when did we feed you and clothe you? For when you fed and clothed the least of these you have done the same for me"*"

I have pursued that paraphrased passage with everything I have for a very long time.
 
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Ugly

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Much of this is confusing.
What little I think I understand sounds closer to New Ageism than Christianity. The focus on angels, for example.

Jesus is not in the unsaved. Period. Either Jesus is in us, and we are saved, or he is not, and we are not saved. There is no in between.
We are not "all God's children". We become 'adopted' into His family when becoming saved.
You're forming views on God and Jesus, not from any biblical insight but rather some self appointed interpretation on what you consider to be spiritual.

Again, much of what you say has a New Age ring of self styled spirituality and less of a bible based theology.
It seems to me you're seeking God, but not where He's at, but where you want Him to be.
 

blue_ladybug

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Jesus is FAR from being tiny.. :)

You need to get out of that lifestyle, ditch your druggie "friends" and get your head on straight and clear..
 

Protek

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Aug 26, 2014
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Much of this is confusing.
What little I think I understand sounds closer to New Ageism than Christianity. The focus on angels, for example.

Jesus is not in the unsaved. Period. Either Jesus is in us, and we are saved, or he is not, and we are not saved. There is no in between.
We are not "all God's children". We become 'adopted' into His family when becoming saved.
You're forming views on God and Jesus, not from any biblical insight but rather some self appointed interpretation on what you consider to be spiritual.

Again, much of what you say has a New Age ring of self styled spirituality and less of a bible based theology.
It seems to me you're seeking God, but not where He's at, but where you want Him to be.
I sure do get called many thing's other than a Christian. Call me what you want, I pray to Jesus every night and feel that I have a strong understanding of his heart. This is my outlook on life more than a testimony of who Jesus is. For me I treat everyone I come across as if they were a brother or sister and I let God keep me safe from the people I shouldn't be around. There are different part's of the body of Christ and I am not one of the part's that can Judge others, it just isn't in me. Sound's to me you are the hand telling the foot that you hate it. I guess you got me, the past decade and a half of my life simply did not have the Holy Spirit guiding me and I've been saying the name Jesus every night and he has not heard me. I guess I should just give up praying since as you say I'm not a Christian.


1 Corinthians 12:15
…14For the body does not consist of one part, but of many. 15If the foot should say, “Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to thebody,” that would not make it any less a part of the body. 16And if the ear should say, “Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body,” that would not make it any less a part of the body.…
 

Protek

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Jesus is FAR from being tiny.. :)

You need to get out of that lifestyle, ditch your druggie "friends" and get your head on straight and clear..
Oh I have nothing to do with a single one of them and it has been that way for year's. I had to finally muster up the courage to tell that friend that I want nothing to do with him. I spent many year's forgiving him..... over and over. Now I'm done with that and have cut off all communications, I think it's been 2-3 years since talking to him at all. And by cut off all communication, I mean that I used to visit him once a year which turned into a phone call once a year, which turned into a facebook message once a year.

I haven't done drug's in well over 15 years.
 
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whatev

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So over a decade and a half ago a friend of mine overdosed me on a hallucinogenic drug because he thought I had something to do with his abusive relationship ending, while I was emotionally involved in the jerry springer episode I didn't cross any of the lines one would have at the time. While I have placed the blame on him with hesitation, I have to assume there were darker forces at play greater than him. I have even told him "there is no way you could have caused this". And by caused this I mean the 15 year journey I have been on. It has involved some of the darkest places I have imagined and short of physical harm, I don't know if there are all that many places deeper to go. Until tonight I had assumed it was just him being a terrible person, but then I realized..... he had probably been on a drug binge some time before luring me to the former home he had shared with his girlfriend. While in the depths of his torment, a room mate came in the door who had been gone for a couple weeks, having brought home someone he somehow met that was gone just as much.

I'm not sure my point here, I guess that I am attempting to sort through what is unworldly and what is a chemical imbalance. While I have experienced what I currently believe to be angel's entering my life...... I'm stuck with the question.......... am I just glitched and my brain doesn't work properly? Was none of my profound experience from spirits? I have experienced torment that my own brain would never conjure, and I have experienced comfort that I would never allow myself if I were simply broken.

How do I rectify the decade and a half of being attacked by Demon's and protected by Angel's and just move on with my life? My constant companion.... Pahtup..... rather my guardian angel needs to go away and I have to be as I once was, what I can barely remember. When I was a kid I can remember the times that my angel spoke into my life for major moment's, and I can also remember times that were glorious to have shared with an angel. While I didn't know who Jesus was and cared nothing for god, he was with me. There was a very very tiny part of the alpha and the omega who devoted everything it has to my own existance.

One of the main thing's I have learned is that with every single human being..... there is a little part of god that will NEVER leave. A very tiny Jesus Christ who suffers with all of man kind even when they don't know he is there. When I realized that he had been with me that entire time and never once left me........... I couldn't help but feel pain for all of the stupid thing's I had done. I couldn't help but feel the promise of deliverance and the glory of grace. It has been a very long time since he has promised that to me and I still do not consider myself redeemed. I am indeed in grace because I should be where I was all those years ago. However I have prayed to no end for the lord to lead me to the souls that he is suffering next to, as I was and still am, and asked him to bring the holy spirit with me (*and shout out to Gabriel for always bringing pure light when I couldn't cope). Anyways I have devoted much of my life to tending to the down trodden even when I could literally do nothing for myself and had NOTHING left in me. *"*for lord, when did we feed you and clothe you? For when you fed and clothed the least of these you have done the same for me"*"

I have pursued that paraphrased passage with everything I have for a very long time.
A jackass dosed you 15 years ago. Your decisions since then have turned your life into the Jerry Springer-Supernatural crossover event ever since. You have delved into yourself for 15 years now, and come up with darker and darker. Isn't it time to look towards someone trustworthy enough to pull you out from such darkness? (And we're all that dark. You are not a very special case, except you've chosen to see how deep you can dig within your darkness.) To pull you into the light?

Repent, and know there is God. The real God. The one the Bible speaks of.
 

calibob

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#7
So over a decade and a half ago a friend of mine overdosed me on a hallucinogenic drug because he thought I had something to do with his abusive relationship ending, while I was emotionally involved in the jerry springer episode I didn't cross any of the lines one would have at the time. While I have placed the blame on him with hesitation, I have to assume there were darker forces at play greater than him. I have even told him "there is no way you could have caused this". And by caused this I mean the 15 year journey I have been on. It has involved some of the darkest places I have imagined and short of physical harm, I don't know if there are all that many places deeper to go. Until tonight I had assumed it was just him being a terrible person, but then I realized..... he had probably been on a drug binge some time before luring me to the former home he had shared with his girlfriend. While in the depths of his torment, a room mate came in the door who had been gone for a couple weeks, having brought home someone he somehow met that was gone just as much.

I'm not sure my point here, I guess that I am attempting to sort through what is unworldly and what is a chemical imbalance. While I have experienced what I currently believe to be angel's entering my life...... I'm stuck with the question.......... am I just glitched and my brain doesn't work properly? Was none of my profound experience from spirits? I have experienced torment that my own brain would never conjure, and I have experienced comfort that I would never allow myself if I were simply broken.

How do I rectify the decade and a half of being attacked by Demon's and protected by Angel's and just move on with my life? My constant companion.... Pahtup..... rather my guardian angel needs to go away and I have to be as I once was, what I can barely remember. When I was a kid I can remember the times that my angel spoke into my life for major moment's, and I can also remember times that were glorious to have shared with an angel. While I didn't know who Jesus was and cared nothing for god, he was with me. There was a very very tiny part of the alpha and the omega who devoted everything it has to my own existance.

One of the main thing's I have learned is that with every single human being..... there is a little part of god that will NEVER leave. A very tiny Jesus Christ who suffers with all of man kind even when they don't know he is there. When I realized that he had been with me that entire time and never once left me........... I couldn't help but feel pain for all of the stupid thing's I had done. I couldn't help but feel the promise of deliverance and the glory of grace. It has been a very long time since he has promised that to me and I still do not consider myself redeemed. I am indeed in grace because I should be where I was all those years ago. However I have prayed to no end for the lord to lead me to the souls that he is suffering next to, as I was and still am, and asked him to bring the holy spirit with me (*and shout out to Gabriel for always bringing pure light when I couldn't cope). Anyways I have devoted much of my life to tending to the down trodden even when I could literally do nothing for myself and had NOTHING left in me. *"*for lord, when did we feed you and clothe you? For when you fed and clothed the least of these you have done the same for me"*"

I have pursued that paraphrased passage with everything I have for a very long time.
I know from what you speak, although my experiences are different than yours, I too have down a similar long, dirty and confusing road. The Grace of the Lord has over looked my sins and restored some sanity to my life. The chemicals you [we] ingested cause a short circuit within our brains. It is biological like shooting our foot off would be. It is not make believe. It's probably not demonic or something we can quit like red meat.

The most common treatment are the 12 steps and they work for some but not most. They allow one to believe in a God of our own choosing. Like group think or Pegan Gods'. I won't go for that. I don't expect a door nob or a statue or a philosopher to restore me to sanity. Only God can do that! It is a serious, real, medical problem. I won't preach at you, I will share with you words of advice and encouragement. I'll also share the word, not beat you over the head with it.

I'd prefer to share in private because people who havn't gone through it just don't understand. Please, less than 100 words at a time. I can be direct and focus better that way.

I mean what I said. Now it's your turn. G'bye... calibob
 

Angela53510

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I sure do get called many thing's other than a Christian. Call me what you want, I pray to Jesus every night and feel that I have a strong understanding of his heart. This is my outlook on life more than a testimony of who Jesus is. For me I treat everyone I come across as if they were a brother or sister and I let God keep me safe from the people I shouldn't be around. There are different part's of the body of Christ and I am not one of the part's that can Judge others, it just isn't in me. Sound's to me you are the hand telling the foot that you hate it. I guess you got me, the past decade and a half of my life simply did not have the Holy Spirit guiding me and I've been saying the name Jesus every night and he has not heard me. I guess I should just give up praying since as you say I'm not a Christian.


1 Corinthians 12:15
…14For the body does not consist of one part, but of many. 15If the foot should say, “Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to thebody,” that would not make it any less a part of the body. 16And if the ear should say, “Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body,” that would not make it any less a part of the body.…
I don't think anyone here is trying to put you down. But your testimony sounds a lot more New Age than Christian. I was in the New Age Movement before God saved me, and it was night and day! Totally different world. And God showed me the way out!

For example, your obsession with a guardian angel! No where in the Bible. Yes, there are angels in the Bible. But they were sent for specific reasons. Not just general, stand-beside-you forever angels.

And Jesus tiny? Not ever! Even when he is in your heart, he is always the King of the Universe. Paradoxical as that sounds.

I DO think you are on the right track. Keep on praying and reading your Bible. If these sorts of visions keep happening, see a doctor. It is more likely mental illness than the spiritual world. And do stay away from these people and drugs. It seemed from your OP that you were talking about something that was happening right now. Instead, it seems like you are obsessed with something that happened 15 years ago? Correct me if I misread that.

The thing about being a Christian, is that it is not just about what we do! So all the praying and reading the Bible doesn't save you. I was reading the Bible and praying before God saved me. But, I never saved myself! God saved me!

I won't judge where you are at. Keep on seeking God. I pray he will find you and transform you.
 

Protek

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Aug 26, 2014
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I must have had the wrong tone, I know this has been a mental imbalance and I am on medication and have been for several years. All of this has happened long ago but has in some way lasted until now. I would call myself recovered except for that little hint of what I've been through every now and then. I live a healthy life though I have my ups and downs. Again, I'm almost symptom free and my general state of well being is far beyond anything it has been since I was a kid.

I guess I just wrote that post because I watched a psychology youtube episode and it talked about LSD and it stirred up some memories that I have long since put to bed.

Where I'm at right now is fully functional and mostly sane with the occasional ever so small whisper or thought, I'm just reserved with calling myself fully cured, but I know that's in the works. I'm going to up my medication here within the next month.

The story I wrote here was one that I have told time and time again as a coping process, this time I glossed over what I have been through and summed the whole thing up.

I know for sure that angel's are real and in your life, I guess talking about that does no one any good though. I'm not new age, I believe in Jesus and have gone heavily to church in the past. I probably have a different take on several thing's but again the bible is a multitude and there are different part's of the body. For me if one hears that god loves them and always has loved them and will never give up............. that's the most useful thing a person who is in the depth's of pain and anguish can hear. I know there are other part's such as fellowship or purity or righteousness or judgement, but I don't focus on those parts as much. And please don't start in with the "we don't get to pick and choose", I know the bible and I know what it has said to me, again this is part of who I am.

I can't judge to a fault and am very passive

edit: Jesus IS salvation, and I will in no means deny any person such a thing, I am not the one that can judge and leave that to god. If someone is in my presence that does not deserve or at that time require a kind touch then he will have to steer me clear. What I believe in is unending salvation that is never resting and vigilante.
 

Protek

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Also, when I say a very tiny Jesus, I mean that most don't even know he is there. He has known all of you since before you were born and never once required you to know his name. Define that as you wish but that's the truth. Don't get me wrong, there is massive benefit to calling him by name, if nothing else than to have a relationship with him and give him the right to guide you closer to what he want's for you. He is not a god that requires you to be on your knee's for him to love you, but if you truly knew how much he loved you in spite of yourself, you would truly be on your knees.
 

calibob

Sinner saved by grace
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#11
Also, when I say a very tiny Jesus, I mean that most don't even know he is there. He has known all of you since before you were born and never once required you to know his name. Define that as you wish but that's the truth. Don't get me wrong, there is massive benefit to calling him by name, if nothing else than to have a relationship with him and give him the right to guide you closer to what he want's for you. He is not a god that requires you to be on your knee's for him to love you, but if you truly knew how much he loved you in spite of yourself, you would truly be on your knees.
dude, read what I wrote to you, please! Then we'll talk, please.
 
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theanointedsinner

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I hope Christianity is more than either "boring" or "self-sacrificing"
 

Protek

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Also again, I understand that some vessels are made for salvation and some are made for destruction. However I am wicked and deserving of destruction yet he saved me. So How can I tell another that they do not deserve that which has been freely given to me? I am not the man who's debt's have been cancelled and then I go and beat the debts out of others. I have been forgiven and I forgive all that I am able to. I can Not draw the line as to who is loved and who isn't, so I love all.
 

Crustyone

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You are right in loving all. We don't know who will be saved or not, so loving all prevents us from hating a future brother or sister. Why would you want to tell another that they do not deserve salvation? Some don't, but as you say, it isn't up to us to judge. I'm sorry you have had such a confusing life. I haven't gone down that road so I can't comment from your perspective. Maybe calibob can help you.
 

calibob

Sinner saved by grace
May 29, 2018
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#15
You are right in loving all. We don't know who will be saved or not, so loving all
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prevents us from hating a future brother or sister. Why would you want to tell another that they do not deserve salvation? Some don't, but as you say, it isn't up to us to judge. I'm sorry you have had such a confusing life. I haven't gone down that road so I can't comment from your perspective. Maybe calibob can help you.
i can and i will but thats a hard nut to crunch. But his last sentence shows he is not lost. That's a start, a good one too. It's 11;24 pm ok time and i've been at it since coffee this morning so let me rest and let the lord do his work. i'll be back in the am unless the lord takes me first and help sort things thru. i promise.
 
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Jesus taught hub and I to fill all of the holes that we could, one-by-one with His Holy Word,
Etc., and our eventual complete submission - seeing ourselves for who we really are can only
come through Christ working on our insides with great Love - eventually this Love will
reveal Itself throughout our daily lives, giving us the living-proof that will carry us
through each day, and we will awesomely watch ourselves overcome/grow
as God transforms us into the image of His Son...
 

calibob

Sinner saved by grace
May 29, 2018
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#17
So over a decade and a half ago a friend of mine overdosed me on a hallucinogenic drug because he thought I had something to do with his abusive relationship ending, while I was emotionally involved in the jerry springer episode I didn't cross any of the lines one would have at the time. While I have placed the blame on him with hesitation, I have to assume there were darker forces at play greater than him. I have even told him "there is no way you could have caused this". And by caused this I mean the 15 year journey I have been on. It has involved some of the darkest places I have imagined and short of physical harm, I don't know if there are all that many places deeper to go. Until tonight I had assumed it was just him being a terrible person, but then I realized..... he had probably been on a drug binge some time before luring me to the former home he had shared with his girlfriend. While in the depths of his torment, a room mate came in the door who had been gone for a couple weeks, having brought home someone he somehow met that was gone just as much.

I'm not sure my point here, I guess that I am attempting to sort through what is unworldly and what is a chemical imbalance. While I have experienced what I currently believe to be angel's entering my life...... I'm stuck with the question.......... am I just glitched and my brain doesn't work properly? Was none of my profound experience from spirits? I have experienced torment that my own brain would never conjure, and I have experienced comfort that I would never allow myself if I were simply broken.

How do I rectify the decade and a half of being attacked by Demon's and protected by Angel's and just move on with my life? My constant companion.... Pahtup..... rather my guardian angel needs to go away and I have to be as I once was, what I can barely remember. When I was a kid I can remember the times that my angel spoke into my life for major moment's, and I can also remember times that were glorious to have shared with an angel. While I didn't know who Jesus was and cared nothing for god, he was with me. There was a very very tiny part of the alpha and the omega who devoted everything it has to my own existance.

One of the main thing's I have learned is that with every single human being..... there is a little part of god that will NEVER leave. A very tiny Jesus Christ who suffers with all of man kind even when they don't know he is there. When I realized that he had been with me that entire time and never once left me........... I couldn't help but feel pain for all of the stupid thing's I had done. I couldn't help but feel the promise of deliverance and the glory of grace. It has been a very long time since he has promised that to me and I still do not consider myself redeemed. I am indeed in grace because I should be where I was all those years ago. However I have prayed to no end for the lord to lead me to the souls that he is suffering next to, as I was and still am, and asked him to bring the holy spirit with me (*and shout out to Gabriel for always bringing pure light when I couldn't cope). Anyways I have devoted much of my life to tending to the down trodden even when I could literally do nothing for myself and had NOTHING left in me. *"*for lord, when did we feed you and clothe you? For when you fed and clothed the least of these you have done the same for me"*"

I have pursued that paraphrased passage with everything I have for a very long time.
I've seen RECOVERY BIBLES the Salvation Army used to give them away!