I have a question for those who believe you can lose your salvation

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LW97

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What must I do to lose it? Is it one act of backsliding? Of must I practice sin? God bless
 

glf1

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Its by faith. Take the brother in 1 Cor 5, I think. Lets say that he was strong in faith even though, he committed sin that was wrong to even the Greeks, that of having his father's wife. The church there was instructed to shun him, but not to count him an unbeliever. In 2 Cor, the church is instructed to receive him back into fellowship, since he had repented of that sin. Now, the one who is weak in faith sees his brother eat food sacrificed to an idol and is emboldened in himself to also eat, but he doesn't have the understanding yet of only one God, being a babe in regards to the word. Maturity is for those who eat the strong meat of the word and by reason of use and are able to discern good and evil. So the weak brother became defiled in his own mind because he didn't eat from belief, he returned to the world and was overcome by his sin and fell away from the Lord as his faith, like the flame from a candle, went out. And this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
Or in 1 Jn 3 Hereby we know that we are of the truth and can assure our hearts before him. If our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart and knoweth all things. Beloved, if our heart condemn us not then we have confidence before God. And whatsoever we ask we receive of him because we keep his commandments and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. And this is his commandment that we believe on his Son Jesus Christ and that we love one another as he commanded. Having faith in Jesus is the main commandment then we are to grow in love with those made in the Lord's image, but to believe in Jesus is the foundation of the new covenant.
The difference between stumbling and falling away is that when we stumble, we get back up and when we're overcome is when we don't get back up or draw near again to the Lord with a repentant heart while the flame of faith yet maintains its light.
For without faith, it is impossible to please him...
 

glf1

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1 Jn 5 If any man see his brother sin a sin that is not unto death, he shall ask and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death, I do not say you shall pray for it. All unrighteousness is sin and there is a sin not unto death.
Shows the power of prayer and for us not to commit the unforgivable sin.
 

LW97

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1 Jn 5 If any man see his brother sin a sin that is not unto death, he shall ask and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death, I do not say you shall pray for it. All unrighteousness is sin and there is a sin not unto death.
Shows the power of prayer and for us not to commit the unforgivable sin.
What would you say is the unpadorable sin? God bless
 
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What must I do to lose it? Is it one act of backsliding? Of must I practice sin? God bless
Stop relying on the sacrifice of Jesus as the payment for your sins. And, refuse every and all attempts by God to bring you back to your senses.

Do that and you will do what you must do to lose the efficacy of Christ's sacrifice and ministry operating in heaven on behalf of those who are trusting in it. It's only there for those who trust in it, not for those who don't.


You can purposely and willfully sin the sins you know that you are not supposed to commit as a believer and that will be a good start toward slipping into the unbelief I just described above.
 

OstrichSmiling

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What must I do to lose it? Is it one act of backsliding? Of must I practice sin? God bless
Notice the page count in this thread? Compared to the OSAS threads?
Great thread lesson here! :)
 

glf1

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In this life: loosing faith in Jesus and his sacrifice, begin trusting in the law, rewriting Revelations while leaving out selected portions, blaspheming the Holy Spirit.
In the life to come: the sin that is neither forgiven in this life, nor in the life to come. Sort of makes like there will be that one forbidden fruit in New Jerusalem, and as long as we refrain from doing it, we'll be choosing to continue being one with the Lord.
 

OstrichSmiling

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In this life: loosing faith in Jesus and his sacrifice, begin trusting in the law, rewriting Revelations while leaving out selected portions, blaspheming the Holy Spirit.
In the life to come: the sin that is neither forgiven in this life, nor in the life to come. Sort of makes like there will be that one forbidden fruit in New Jerusalem, and as long as we refrain from doing it, we'll be choosing to continue being one with the Lord.
Blaspheming the holy spirit isn't just one thing, one offense.
Blaspheming the holy spirit occurs when people teach and defend that Jesus death on the cross was in vein. In other words, when they in part or in whole deny eternal salvation as God decreed and Jesus died to seal for all tim.
 

LW97

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Blaspheming the holy spirit isn't just one thing, one offense.
Blaspheming the holy spirit occurs when people teach and defend that Jesus death on the cross was in vein. In other words, when they in part or in whole deny eternal salvation as God decreed and Jesus died to seal for all tim.
amen, see Mark 3:28 (which only works by using the KJV)
 

Dartman

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The specific case of "blasphemy of the holy spirit" was: Accusing Jesus of having power from Satan, which denied that Jesus had his God's spirit, thus they were speaking directly against his God's power.
ANY sin for which the believer remains non-repentant will cost their salvation. God is faithful to forgive us our sins WHEN we repent.
1 John 1:8-10
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

The apostle Paul worried about his own salvation;
1 Cor 9:27 but I discipline my body and make it my slave, so that, after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified.
 
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What must I do to lose it? Is it one act of backsliding? Of must I practice sin? God bless
You must make sinning a lifestyle practice in order to lose your salvation. We born again children of God are only on probation in this life. We are not fully saved yet until the new eschatological age:
Therefore, dear brothers and sisters, you have no obligation to do what your sinful nature urges you to do. For if you live by its dictates, you will die. But if through the power of the Spirit you put to death the deeds of your sinful nature, you will live.
Romans 8:12‭-‬13 NLT
https://bible.com/bible/116/rom.8.12-13.NLT
 

LW97

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The specific case of "blasphemy of the holy spirit" was: Accusing Jesus of having power from Satan, which denied that Jesus had his God's spirit, thus they were speaking directly against his God's power.
ANY sin for which the believer remains non-repentant will cost their salvation. God is faithful to forgive us our sins WHEN we repent.
1 John 1:8-10
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

The apostle Paul worried about his own salvation;
1 Cor 9:27 but I discipline my body and make it my slave, so that, after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified.
1 John 1:9 talks about total forgiveness, it says ALL unrighteousness. That speaks to false believers/gnostics, if we consider the previous verse, how can somebody be saved and not have the truth in him? Correct, not at all.
 

LW97

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You must make sinning a lifestyle practice in order to lose your salvation. We born again children of God are only on probation in this life. We are not fully saved yet until the new eschatological age:
Therefore, dear brothers and sisters, you have no obligation to do what your sinful nature urges you to do. For if you live by its dictates, you will die. But if through the power of the Spirit you put to death the deeds of your sinful nature, you will live.
Romans 8:12‭-‬13 NLT
https://bible.com/bible/116/rom.8.12-13.NLT
If you are saved you won't practice a lifestyle of sin.
 

LW97

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That is not New Testament teaching hence the many warnings not to. I provided just one of many.
The warnings are not about salvafic loss, but rather about making your calling sure (2 Corinthians 13:5, Philippians 2:12-13, 1 John 2:19 etc.).
 

RickyZ

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Since you can only be saved by believing and confessing Christ, you can only lose it by disbelief and denial.
 

LW97

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Since you can only be saved by believing and confessing Christ, you can only lose it by disbelief and denial.
I used to think that too but a true Christian won't do that.
1 John 5:4
 
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The warnings are not about salvafic loss, but rather about making your calling sure (2 Corinthians 13:5, Philippians 2:12-13, 1 John 2:19 etc.).
No, they are not. i provided proof which you have ignored as all OSAS ignore those verses which are an embarrassment to OSAS.
 
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There is no such thing as losing salvation....and the unpardonable sin is unbelief into the work of Christ (to attribute the work of Christ to the power of the devil is a permanent state of unbelief, one who will not believe cannot be forgiven)
 

LW97

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No, they are not. i provided proof which you have ignored as all OSAS ignore those verses which are an embarrassment to OSAS.
I do not believe in OSAS. I believe in ISAS (if saved always saved), see 1 John 5:4. God bless