Why Satan loves Replacement Theology

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Deade

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Replacement Theology teaches that the church has replaced Israel and that all the promises that were supposed to go to Israel now fall to the church. This is a complete lie, and I will provide scripture that shows that God has never forsaken Israel, and never will. You also may have noticed that I chose to publish this on May 14, the day Israel was reborn as a nation.
Ah, but the nation that was restored is not Israel. That nation is Judah. It is true there are two covenants God made with Israel. One is physical and the other is spiritual. Spiritual Israel is the church. They will be raptured at the end of the tribulation and changed into spirits, but they will stay on earth and reign with Christ.

Then God will take Israel, the 144,000 young adults (virgins all), and give them the land as laid out in Exekiel 48.

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Sometimes only 2 verses are needed. At times the clearest to the truth need be revealed.

Praise be to Yah (Haileleujeh) that he has not cast away his people Israel (12 tribes, not just Judah)

He is Longsuffering to all

He even blesses with rain the most sinful
He has a plan for them too

Maybe they will be as Paul
A most sinful
A most forgiven
A most Champion for Good
When they are saved
 

Noose

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#44
Verse 2
God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew.
Rom 11:1
I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin

Oh my, dear brothers and sisters
END of dispute please
The truth always sets us free
You are far out of context. Paul was not addressing Romans with the aim of letting them know how the Jews are good in God's eyes but he was letting the Romans know that they (Romans) are accepted in God's eyes.
We go back to Rom 2 and we see Paul define a Jew as:

Rom 2:28A person is not a Jew who is one only outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. 29No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a person’s praise is not from other people, but from God.

So you can not quote the book of Romans to further your falsehoods because everywhere Paul says Israel or Jews he actually means a believer based on his own definition.

What you have quoted is not even complete, verse 4 reveals the truth-

Rom 11:1 I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin. 2God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew. Don’t you know what Scripture says in the passage about Elijah—how he appealed to God against Israel: 3“Lord, they have killed your prophets and torn down your altars; I am the only one left, and they are trying to kill me”a ? 4And what was God’s answer to him? “I have reserved for myself seven thousand who have not bowed the knee to Baal.

Those that don't bow their knee to Baal. When is this, future? past? Present? All these is figurative language that points to a believer for there is no Jew or gentile, just believers. The 7000 remnants being talked of here are not from physical Israel, they are believers from all over and Baal being spoken off is not Baal of the old, he is the antichrist and all these is happening now.
 
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You are far out of context. Paul was not addressing Romans with the aim of letting them know how the Jews are good in God's eyes but he was letting the Romans know that they (Romans) are accepted in God's eyes.
We go back to Rom 2 and we see Paul define a Jew as:

Rom 2:28A person is not a Jew who is one only outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. 29No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a person’s praise is not from other people, but from God.

So you can not quote the book of Romans to further your falsehoods because everywhere Paul says Israel or Jews he actually means a believer based on his own definition.

What you have quoted is not even complete, verse 4 reveals the truth-

Rom 11:1 I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin. 2God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew. Don’t you know what Scripture says in the passage about Elijah—how he appealed to God against Israel: 3“Lord, they have killed your prophets and torn down your altars; I am the only one left, and they are trying to kill me”a ? 4And what was God’s answer to him? “I have reserved for myself seven thousand who have not bowed the knee to Baal.

Those that don't bow their knee to Baal. When is this, future? past? Present? All these is figurative language that points to a believer for there is no Jew or gentile, just believers. The 7000 remnants being talked of here are not from physical Israel, they are believers from all over and Baal being spoken off is not Baal of the old, he is the antichrist and all these is happening now.
 
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Believe as you wish. I have no time nor interest in dispute. Good Day to all
 

Jewel5712

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#47
Replacement Theology teaches that the church has replaced Israel and that all the promises that were supposed to go to Israel now fall to the church. This is a complete lie, and I will provide scripture that shows that God has never forsaken Israel, and never will. You also may have noticed that I chose to publish this on May 14, the day Israel was reborn as a nation.

Scripture about God’s promise to preserve Israel forever

Genesis 13:14-15 --->

14 And the Lord said unto Abram, after that Lot was separated from him, Lift up now thine eyes, and look from the place where thou art northward, and southward, and eastward, and westward:

15 For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever.

Genesis 17:7 --->

And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.

2 Samuel 7:24 --->

For thou hast confirmed to thyself thy people Israel to be a people unto thee for ever: and thou, Lord, art become their God.

1 Kings 10:9 --->

Blessed be the Lord thy God, which delighted in thee, to set thee on the throne of Israel: because the Lord loved Israel for ever, therefore made he thee king, to do judgment and justice.

1 Chronicles 17:22 --->

For thy people Israel didst thou make thine own people for ever; and thou, Lord, becamest their God.

2 Chronicles 9:8 --->

Blessed be the Lord thy God, which delighted in thee to set thee on his throne, to be king for the Lord thy God: because thy God loved Israel, to establish them for ever, therefore made he thee king over them, to do judgment and justice.

2 Chronicles 20:5-7 --->

5 And Jehoshaphat stood in the congregation of Judah and Jerusalem, in the house of the Lord, before the new court,

6 And said, O Lord God of our fathers, art not thou God in heaven? and rulest not thou over all the kingdoms of the heathen? and in thine hand is there not power and might, so that none is able to withstand thee?

7 Art not thou our God, who didst drive out the inhabitants of this land before thy people Israel, and gavest it to the seed of Abraham thy friend for ever?

Ezra 3:11 --->

And they sang together by course in praising and giving thanks unto the Lord; because he is good, for his mercy endureth for ever toward Israel. And all the people shouted with a great shout, when they praised the Lord, because the foundation of the house of the Lord was laid.

Psalm 28:9 --->

Save thy people, and bless thine inheritance: feed them also, and lift them up for ever.

Psalm 94:14 --->

For the Lord will not cast off his people, neither will he forsake his inheritance.

Psalm 105:8-11 --->

8 He hath remembered his covenant for ever, the word which he commanded to a thousand generations.

9 Which covenant he made with Abraham, and his oath unto Isaac;

10 And confirmed the same unto Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant:

11 Saying, Unto thee will I give the land of Canaan, the lot of your inheritance:

Psalm 125:1-2 --->

1 They that trust in the Lord shall be as mount Zion, which cannot be removed, but abideth for ever.

2 As the mountains are round about Jerusalem, so the Lord is round about his people from henceforth even for ever.

Isaiah 60:21 --->

Thy people also shall be all righteous: they shall inherit the land for ever, the branch of my planting, the work of my hands, that I may be glorified.

Ezekiel 37:21-28 --->

21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.

23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwelling places, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.

24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.

26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.

27 My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

28 And the heathen shall know that I the Lord do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.

Romans 11:1-2 --->

1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew...



And if you still choose to ignore scripture and believe that God has forsaken Israel because of their sin, check out these scriptures --->



Leviticus 26:44-45 --->

44 And yet for all that, when they be in the land of their enemies, I will not cast them away, neither will I abhor them, to destroy them utterly, and to break my covenant with them: for I am the Lord their God.

45 But I will for their sakes remember the covenant of their ancestors, whom I brought forth out of the land of Egypt in the sight of the heathen, that I might be their God: I am the Lord.

Ezekiel 36:17-32 --->

17 Son of man, when the house of Israel dwelt in their own land, they defiled it by their own way and by their doings: their way was before me as the uncleanness of a removed woman.

18 Wherefore I poured my fury upon them for the blood that they had shed upon the land, and for their idols wherewith they had polluted it:

19 And I scattered them among the heathen, and they were dispersed through the countries: according to their way and according to their doings I judged them.

20 And when they entered unto the heathen, whither they went, they profaned my holy name, when they said to them, These are the people of the Lord, and are gone forth out of his land.

21 But I had pity for mine holy name, which the house of Israel had profaned among the heathen, whither they went.

22 Therefore say unto the house of Israel, thus saith the Lord God; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.

23 And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the Lord, saith the Lord God, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes.

24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.

25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.

29 I will also save you from all your uncleannesses: and I will call for the corn, and will increase it, and lay no famine upon you.

30 And I will multiply the fruit of the tree, and the increase of the field, that ye shall receive no more reproach of famine among the heathen.

31 Then shall ye remember your own evil ways, and your doings that were not good, and shall lothe yourselves in your own sight for your iniquities and for your abominations.

32 Not for your sakes do I this, saith the Lord God, be it known unto you: be ashamed and confounded for your own ways, O house of Israel.

Romans 11:25-27 --->

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

Whew...i had to take a nap after that one but im still wondering tge purpose of post..to educate or inform...to defend your position? To get others opinion?
 

Noose

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#48
Believe as you wish. I have no time nor interest in dispute. Good Day to all
Same can be said of you.

But as you put it, one verse reveals the truth- you have quoted Paul as saying he is a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin. And Paul also says that God will reserve 7000 Jews for Himself; was Paul counting himself among the 7000 remnants or was he counting himself among the perishing Jews?
If Paul counts himself as reserved Jew and Paul was a believer in Christ, then his definition of a Jew remains as is in Rom 2.

Have a good day sir.
 

trofimus

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#49
Rom 11:1
I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin

Oh my, dear brothers and sisters
END of dispute please
The truth always sets us free
The context means that Jews can also become Christians. Nothing more.
 

notuptome

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The context means that Jews can also become Christians. Nothing more.
But Christians never become Jews. Jewish is an ethnic designation. It finds itself in DNA not in theology. Just the same for Gentiles DNA.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

tanakh

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#52
Replacement Theology teaches that the church has replaced Israel and that all the promises that were supposed to go to Israel now fall to the church. This is a complete lie, and I will provide scripture that shows that God has never forsaken Israel, and never will. You also may have noticed that I chose to publish this on May 14, the day Israel was reborn as a nation.

Scripture about God’s promise to preserve Israel forever

Genesis 13:14-15 --->

14 And the Lord said unto Abram, after that Lot was separated from him, Lift up now thine eyes, and look from the place where thou art northward, and southward, and eastward, and westward:

15 For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever.

Genesis 17:7 --->

And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.

2 Samuel 7:24 --->

For thou hast confirmed to thyself thy people Israel to be a people unto thee for ever: and thou, Lord, art become their God.

1 Kings 10:9 --->

Blessed be the Lord thy God, which delighted in thee, to set thee on the throne of Israel: because the Lord loved Israel for ever, therefore made he thee king, to do judgment and justice.

1 Chronicles 17:22 --->

For thy people Israel didst thou make thine own people for ever; and thou, Lord, becamest their God.

2 Chronicles 9:8 --->

Blessed be the Lord thy God, which delighted in thee to set thee on his throne, to be king for the Lord thy God: because thy God loved Israel, to establish them for ever, therefore made he thee king over them, to do judgment and justice.

2 Chronicles 20:5-7 --->

5 And Jehoshaphat stood in the congregation of Judah and Jerusalem, in the house of the Lord, before the new court,

6 And said, O Lord God of our fathers, art not thou God in heaven? and rulest not thou over all the kingdoms of the heathen? and in thine hand is there not power and might, so that none is able to withstand thee?

7 Art not thou our God, who didst drive out the inhabitants of this land before thy people Israel, and gavest it to the seed of Abraham thy friend for ever?

Ezra 3:11 --->

And they sang together by course in praising and giving thanks unto the Lord; because he is good, for his mercy endureth for ever toward Israel. And all the people shouted with a great shout, when they praised the Lord, because the foundation of the house of the Lord was laid.

Psalm 28:9 --->

Save thy people, and bless thine inheritance: feed them also, and lift them up for ever.

Psalm 94:14 --->

For the Lord will not cast off his people, neither will he forsake his inheritance.

Psalm 105:8-11 --->

8 He hath remembered his covenant for ever, the word which he commanded to a thousand generations.

9 Which covenant he made with Abraham, and his oath unto Isaac;

10 And confirmed the same unto Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant:

11 Saying, Unto thee will I give the land of Canaan, the lot of your inheritance:

Psalm 125:1-2 --->

1 They that trust in the Lord shall be as mount Zion, which cannot be removed, but abideth for ever.

2 As the mountains are round about Jerusalem, so the Lord is round about his people from henceforth even for ever.

Isaiah 60:21 --->

Thy people also shall be all righteous: they shall inherit the land for ever, the branch of my planting, the work of my hands, that I may be glorified.

Ezekiel 37:21-28 --->

21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.

23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwelling places, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.

24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.

26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.

27 My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

28 And the heathen shall know that I the Lord do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.

Romans 11:1-2 --->

1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew...



And if you still choose to ignore scripture and believe that God has forsaken Israel because of their sin, check out these scriptures --->



Leviticus 26:44-45 --->

44 And yet for all that, when they be in the land of their enemies, I will not cast them away, neither will I abhor them, to destroy them utterly, and to break my covenant with them: for I am the Lord their God.

45 But I will for their sakes remember the covenant of their ancestors, whom I brought forth out of the land of Egypt in the sight of the heathen, that I might be their God: I am the Lord.

Ezekiel 36:17-32 --->

17 Son of man, when the house of Israel dwelt in their own land, they defiled it by their own way and by their doings: their way was before me as the uncleanness of a removed woman.

18 Wherefore I poured my fury upon them for the blood that they had shed upon the land, and for their idols wherewith they had polluted it:

19 And I scattered them among the heathen, and they were dispersed through the countries: according to their way and according to their doings I judged them.

20 And when they entered unto the heathen, whither they went, they profaned my holy name, when they said to them, These are the people of the Lord, and are gone forth out of his land.

21 But I had pity for mine holy name, which the house of Israel had profaned among the heathen, whither they went.

22 Therefore say unto the house of Israel, thus saith the Lord God; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.

23 And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the Lord, saith the Lord God, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes.

24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.

25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.

29 I will also save you from all your uncleannesses: and I will call for the corn, and will increase it, and lay no famine upon you.

30 And I will multiply the fruit of the tree, and the increase of the field, that ye shall receive no more reproach of famine among the heathen.

31 Then shall ye remember your own evil ways, and your doings that were not good, and shall lothe yourselves in your own sight for your iniquities and for your abominations.

32 Not for your sakes do I this, saith the Lord God, be it known unto you: be ashamed and confounded for your own ways, O house of Israel.

Romans 11:25-27 --->

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
The Church hasn't replaced Israel THE CHURCH IS ISRAEL. Christ is the embodiment of Israel and anyone who is in Christ is part of his body which is the church People talk about the Church as if its a foreign temporary attachment. They forget that all the Apostles were Jews as were many converts in the early Church. According to current teaching two thirds of the Jewish population of Israel will be killed in the tribulation and only a third will be saved. If people really cared about the Jews they would be bringing them to Christ just as the Apostles and early converts did.
 

notuptome

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#53
The Church hasn't replaced Israel THE CHURCH IS ISRAEL. Christ is the embodiment of Israel and anyone who is in Christ is part of his body which is the church People talk about the Church as if its a foreign temporary attachment. They forget that all the Apostles were Jews as were many converts in the early Church. If people really cared about the Jews they would be bringing them to Christ just as the Apostles and early converts did.
Church is the bride of Christ. Israel is the bride of Jehovah. The church is to provoke Israel to jealousy over Christ Messiah.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

tanakh

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Church is the bride of Christ. Israel is the bride of Jehovah. The church is to provoke Israel to jealousy over Christ Messiah.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
I didn't know that God practiced polygamy. It makes me wonder what all the fuss about the Mormons is about.
 

Jewel5712

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#55
Church is the bride of Christ. Israel is the bride of Jehovah. The church is to provoke Israel to jealousy over Christ Messiah.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Im lost..isnt Johovah another name for Jesus Christ? One in the same?
 

Jewel5712

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I didn't know that God practiced polygamy. It makes me wonder what all the fuss about the Mormons is about.
Poligomy was accepted in the old testament for procreation...
 

tanakh

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Im lost..isnt Johovah another name for Jesus Christ? One in the same?
Your not lost. Jesus applied the name of Jehovah (I am) to himself as in Before Abraham was I AM. This is just another attempt to
distort the teaching that Salvation comes through Christ and his sacrifice alone. For more of my views on thisthread please see my post
number 53
 

tanakh

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Poligomy was accepted in the old testament for procreation...
I dont think it was accepted by God. Lots Daughters practiced incest with their Father for the same reason you give regarding
Polygamy. That was prohibited in the Mosaic Law
 

Jewel5712

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I dont think it was accepted by God. Lots Daughters practiced incest with their Father for the same reason you give regarding
Polygamy. That was prohibited in the Mosaic Law

Yes..Gods intent for marriage was monogomy..1 man..1 woman..1 helpmate...that whole chapter in genesis is singular tense..not plural...
 

Jewel5712

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I dont think it was accepted by God. Lots Daughters practiced incest with their Father for the same reason you give regarding
Polygamy. That was prohibited in the Mosaic Law
And..without lookimg it up..wasnt lot fleeing..his daughters got him drunk because they feared no man would marry them because of thier situation?