Why Satan loves Replacement Theology

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trofimus

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But Christians never become Jews. Jewish is an ethnic designation. It finds itself in DNA not in theology. Just the same for Gentiles DNA.

For the cause of Christ
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Spiritually, they do. Physically, no.

Only believers are saved. Both physical Jews and for example physical Europeans must believe in Christ to be saved.

There is no other way.
 

trofimus

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The Church hasn't replaced Israel THE CHURCH IS ISRAEL.
From some view you are right.

But technically, like the covenant was replaced, like the temple was replaced, like the circumcision was replaced, like the sacrifices were replaced, like the priesthood was replaced... so also the visible "organization" of God's people was changed-replaced - from the nation of israel to church.
 

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There's no such thing as "spiritual Israel"
 

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Peace and mercy to all who follow this rule--to the Israel of God.

Gal 6:16
This is a further description of the persons, for whom he prays for these blessings; and is not to be understood by way of distinction from them, but as an amplification of their character; and as pointing out the Israel, by way of emphasis, the Israel, or Israelites indeed, the spiritual Israel, as distinct from Israel according to the flesh; see ( 1 Corinthians 10:18 ) . The "Israel of God", or as the Arabic version reads it, "Israel the propriety of God"; which he has a right unto, and a claim upon; who are chosen by him, Israel his elect; who are redeemed by him, out of every kindred, tongue, people, and nation; who are called by his grace, and are styled Israel his called; who are justified in his Son, and by his righteousness; and for whose sake he is exalted as a Prince and a Saviour, to give them repentance and remission of sin; and who are, or will be saved by him, with an everlasting salvation; and is a name that includes all God's elect, whether Jews or Gentiles: though it may have a particular respect to such of the Israelites, or Jews, God had foreknown and reserved for himself; and who believed in Christ, and walked as new creatures, without confidence in the flesh. The Jews themselves own, that strangers, or proselytes, shall be called by the name of Israel; so they explain ( Isaiah 44:5 ) , latter part.
 

trofimus

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There's no such thing as "spiritual Israel"
This is a further description of... the spiritual Israel, as distinct from Israel according to the flesh; see ( 1 Corinthians 10:18 ) . The "Israel of God", or as the Arabic version reads it, "Israel the propriety of God"; which he has a right unto, and a claim upon; who are chosen by him, Israel his elect; who are redeemed by him, out of every kindred, tongue, people...
Which means that there is such thing as "spiritual Israel".
 

LW97

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Which means that there is such thing as "spiritual Israel".
Yes, indeed, but not in form of replacement theology as you believe

The phrase spiritual Israel is used in two primary contexts. The first is as a reference to the entire body of Christian believers, in distinction to the political or racial people of Israel. Spiritual Israel is also sometimes used to suggest concepts related to replacement theology, in which the promises directed toward Israel are now given to the Church, instead.

Galatians 6:16 refers to the “Israel of God.” Given how frequently Paul dismisses ethic or national divisions in this same letter (Galatians 3:26; 4:5–7; 6:15), it is unlikely that he encourages such divisions here. Instead, he refers to the readers as being similar to Isaac: they are the “children of promise” (Galatians 4:28). Paul has a spiritual group in mind in Galatians 6:16, not an ethnic one. This reference to spiritual Israel is clear enough, but not every reference by Paul to Israel is spiritual in nature. Some, such as Romans 9:4, are national and literal. The context is key.

There are other places in the New Testament that suggest a “spiritual Israel” in that they echo terms used in the Old Testament to refer to the Israelites. First Peter 2:9 uses the same terminology as Exodus 19:5–6 in reference to Christians. Galatians 3:29 uses the term heirs, as does Isaiah 65:9. All Christians are “fellow citizens” and members of the house of God, according to Ephesians 2:12–13. Romans 10:12 also says the same—there is no national preference with respect to salvation. Just as we become spiritual “sons of Abraham” by faith (Galatians 3:7), so we can be considered “spiritual Israel” when we receive Christ. In the sense that ethnicity and politics have no relationship to salvation, the term spiritual Israel presents no noteworthy problems.

Replacement theology, on the other hand, uses the concept of a “spiritual Israel” differently. Replacement theology essentially teaches that the church has replaced Israel in God’s plan and that the many promises God made to Israel are fulfilled in the Church instead—Old Testament prophecies are allegorized in order to make them applicable to the church. Replacement theology presents major theological problems, because Scripture says that God has not forgotten or changed His promises to Israel (see Romans 11:1–2, 11, 23, 26, 29). Teaching that promotes a “spiritual Israel,” in the sense that the Church is the focus of God’s prophetic promises for Israel, is not biblically valid.
 

trofimus

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Yes, indeed, but not in form of replacement theology as you believe
I believe that:

a) The spiritual Israel was not replaced. Its still the believing chosen core, through all times.

b) The visible representation of God's people was replaced. It obviously changed from the nation of Israel to church (composed of all nations).

If you want to know what is God's will, how to be saved, what is his covenant, you will not travel to Israel in the middle east, you will visit some church. You will not search for a Jew, but for a Christian.
 

LW97

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I believe that:

a) The spiritual Israel was not replaced. Its still the believing chosen core, through all times.

b) The visible representation of God's people was replaced. It obviously changed from the nation of Israel to church (composed of all nations).

If you want to know what is God's will, how to be saved, what is his covenant, you will not travel to Israel in the middle east, you will visit some church. You will not search for a Jew, but for a Christian.
I 100 %ly reject replacement theology
 

trofimus

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I 100 %ly reject replacement theology
So, you think that its physical Israel who is the people of God, who has the right Scriptures, who has the real knowledge of God (Trinity), who will teach you how to reach the eternal life?

Do you really think that circumcision is still present and required by God? There is no Israel without circumcision, without priesthood, without Scriptures.
 
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GOD said, and Jacob prophesied, that Israel would become a multitude of nations (peoples).
And God said unto him, Thy name is Jacob: thy name shall not be called any more Jacob, but Israel shall be thy name: and he called his name Israel. And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins; Genesis 35:10-11
And [Jacob] his father refused, and said, I know it, my son, I know it: [Mannasseh] also shall become a people, and he also shall be great: but truly his younger brother [Ephraim] shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a multitude of nations. Genesis 48:19

Israel was called Ephraim after it split from Judah because Ephraim received the rights of the firstborn and inherited the promises of GOD. When Jacob said his seed would become a multitude of nations, he meant the spiritual seed who would inherit the rights of the firstborn and the promises, who is Christ, whose seed has become many nations (peoples). The genealogy of GOD's people is, and always has been, according to faith.
 
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It's not that Israel has been replaced, but that it has become so great as to encompass all peoples of the world, just as promised and prophesied.
 

trofimus

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It's not that Israel has been replaced, but that it has become so great as to encompass all peoples of the world, just as promised and prophesied.
But the name of this "encompassing Israel" is church. Its not the state in the Middle East.
 
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Replacement theology is supported by antisemites like Steven Anderson.

The idea of replacement theology simply has no support .Not all Israel is born again Israel as a inward Jew born of the Spirit of Christ. The new name God named the born again inward Jew, is Christian . It does not replace Israel not seen but again it is the new name God by his own self named His born again ones .

God who is not served by human hands is no respecter of persons never was never could be.