Is masturbation a sin?

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calibob

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Its interesting that they are referred to as adulterers, which means He was speaking to married individuals. So if a single person lusts, presumably it is fornication, then. Well, at least, in the heart. I've heard it said that lust isn't just a simple appreciation of what you see, but if no one else was around you'd partake in the act with them (as if you could get away with it, no repercussions).
Since those words aren't commonly used much any more and the bible dosn't clearly define the difference between the two it is only my opinion the fornication is simply having sex while adultery is having multiple partners. Why else would marring a divorced person or getting remarried after a divorce both be adultery??
 

CS1

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Since those words aren't commonly used much any more and the bible dosn't clearly define the difference between the two it is only my opinion the fornication is simply having sex while adultery is having multiple partners. Why else would marring a divorced person or getting remarried after a divorce both be adultery??
the Bible is very clear for the two Fornication is sex outside the context of marriage.
Adultery is sexual relationship with some other then the wife or husband when they are married
 

calibob

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I drink 4-6 cups of coffee every day because they make me feel good, is that a sin? probably, I'm not going to get twisted into a knot over it. Or go crucify myself because I've been divorced over 30 years and the only person that there is to have sex with is me.
 

calibob

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the Bible is very clear for the two Fornication is sex outside the context of marriage.
Adultery is sexual relationship with some other then the wife or husband when they are married
I go along with most of that but getting remarried or marring another who was married before is also adultery, as well as having sex with someone who is married to another.
 

CS1

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I drink 4-6 cups of coffee every day because they make me feel good, is that a sin? probably, I'm not going to get twisted into a knot over it. Or go crucify myself because I've been divorced over 30 years and the only person that there is to have sex with is me.
there is nothing in the bible that says drinking coffee is a sin but getting drunk there is.

secondly if you think having sex with yourself is sex that is not sex at all. That is self -gratification.


Definition of masturbation
: erotic stimulation especially of one's own genital organs commonly resulting in orgasm and achieved by manual or other bodily contact exclusive of sexual intercourse, by instrumental manipulation , occasionally by sexual fantasies,

masturbation is : erotic stimulation, manipulation, and sexual fantasies. NONE of that is sex.
 

CS1

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I go along with most of that but getting remarried or marring another who was married before is also adultery, as well as having sex with someone who is married to another.
context of that "marrying and remarrying can be adultery IF the spouse is still a live. Jesus raised the Standard in Matthew 5-7
men who did not want to be with their wives they married used a loop hole to remarry . Jesus called them on it.
 

calibob

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#48
I think most us have adulterous hearts. That's just another reason why we all need Jesus.
 

PennEd

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well for some of us who have never even had a pleasant experience with sex, not once, nothing fulfilling from sex, nothing but intense pain associated with sex and have reached their mid 30s to be incredibly lonely without almost any friends and zero prospects of getting married at any point in the foreseeable future, masturbation provides the only small bit of relief to what is incredibly painful sexual frustration. And for anyone who wishes to condemn me for that I'd like to ask how much of your life have you spent in solitude? How many happy relationships had you been in by the age of 34? Were you married by that age? How many years of your life have you gone without a moment of feeling attractive or desired by any woman, while at the same time finding love and companionship remains the #1 desire of your heart, always a source of pain? I have had little sexual experience-- and I'm not proud of it and would have no qualms erasing that from my past. But other than a few regrettable sexual experiences, I have nothing from my own life to supply any concrete reference to the profound power of what intimacy is. I have never been promiscuous and never wanted to be, have no interest in casual sex.
I want love. It's the only thing I want from this life.
Sex without love is meaningless. But a life without any love as well as the other thing-- guess what, it's pretty sad and depressing. And I've heard every pep talk before about how ok it is to be alone and how I don't anyone to be happy and blah blah blah. I haven't met too many men or women who were never married by age 34 and who wanted to be. I don't have any fantasies in my mind involving myself having sex either. Masturbation has never had anything to do with that. Because the thought of something like that is more removed from my reality than the garbage depicted in porn. Yes porn is a problem and so is the other thing. But what's killing me inside is the loneliness. The lack of connection. The lack of possibilities. Now I already hear the "Get off your butt and do something" response coming. Please don't assume you know the story about someone before you have developed any curiosity of understanding it.
You think I wanted my life to be this way. You think I wanted to reach the point where the only association I have with sex is through lonely self-treatment? I didn't choose to want something that has eluded me for 34 years and seems impossible to have. I didn't choose to be a sensitive and intense man who doesn't embody the qualities of the 'common man.' I didn't choose the way my hormones work or the fact that sexual desire is a powerfully driving force. And I don't look for meaningless sex, which I probably wouldn't find anyways, for the purpose of tempering this famished, aching urge. Only God may judge me.
Frankly if I had no hormones, if I were just a eunuch living in a monastery it would be less different than my circumstances as they are, except for the suffering endured due to perennial deprivation and isolation.
You can tell me all you want about the evils of masturbation. I could tell you about the suicidal suffering of severe loneliness and an adulthood devoid of any love or intimate relationships. Loneliness kills, making yourself have an orgasm doesn't. I didn't choose to be lonely and I didn't choose for loneliness to hurt as much as it does.
I have read several of your posts, and you do a good job of conveying the pain you are in. I am completely empathetic to it, and wish I could wave a magic wand and make it go away.

But honestly, there are some fundamental truths I think you have yet to embrace or understand. The primary truth being that ANOTHER PERSON is NOT going to make you happy or fill in the void in your life. At best, it would be only a TEMPORARY drop in a very deep bucket to make you FEEL less empty.

FEELINGS are temporary. I can feel sad, depressed, angry, worrisome, lonely, happy, horny, hungry, ....Etc... Those are all temporary feelings. Some, like maybe depression, can last a long time, and may seem like will never end. But it WILL.

TRUTH on the other hand, is ETERNAL. And Jesus IS THE TRUTH< THE WAY< AND THE LIFE!

Now you can look at the FACT, with the knowledge, and the Joy, that one day all your pain will fade to nothingness and the mere Presence of the Lord will be beyond your wildest hope, and experience that NOW. It IS really a choice.

It is all how you look at it. THINK about the INCREDIBLE blessings in your life right now. You, like virtually ALL in the West, have never gone a day in your life hungry. If we were to just stop at that blessing, it would seem unreal to many people today and most throughout history.

But I'd encourage you to sit down and write out all the blessings in your life. I bet if you think and pray on it, it will take some time to do. Material things like heat and A/C, telephone, TV, computers, internet, HOUSE, car, roads, parks, etc, etc, etc, And non material things like people on HERE who care about you, a Lord that died for YOU, making a Way to be with Him forever.

So I know you don't want to hear "get up and do something" but I would say that upon realizing your blessings, you may be able to take your focus off of YOU and on to other people. Their pains and needs. It is VERY difficult to feel bad while helping others.

May God Bless and open your heart to ALL that you have to offer the world!
 

CS1

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I think most us have adulterous hearts. That's just another reason why we all need Jesus.
I cannot speak about most of us i'm accountable for my own .
 

Jewel5712

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there is nothing in the bible that says drinking coffee is a sin but getting drunk there is.

secondly if you think having sex with yourself is sex that is not sex at all. That is self -gratification.


Definition of masturbation
: erotic stimulation especially of one's own genital organs commonly resulting in orgasm and achieved by manual or other bodily contact exclusive of sexual intercourse, by instrumental manipulation , occasionally by sexual fantasies,

masturbation is : erotic stimulation, manipulation, and sexual fantasies. NONE of that is sex.
I think it can be wrong because of the fantasies in your mind that provoke the act..and Jesus talks about lust and the mind..etc..and most men arent masterbating with thoughts of thier wives..lol
 

Jewel5712

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Lust is not a sin. Lust is a temptation.

"But each person is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desire.
Then desire when it has conceived gives birth to sin, and sin when it is fully grown brings forth death."

James 1:15

Of course, people must limit their desires and other temptations, not to play with them or enlarge them. Its like a fire and they will lose in the end.

AMEN..as a woman whos husband was addicted to porn. It is soooo incrediblly hurtful and disrespectful to the wife...and no i still dont think its ok for husband and wife to watch porn together...
 

Dan58

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But honestly, there are some fundamental truths I think you have yet to embrace or understand. The primary truth being that ANOTHER PERSON is NOT going to make you happy or fill in the void in your life. At best, it would be only a TEMPORARY drop in a very deep bucket to make you FEEL less empty.
Very profound and encouraging... People often think there's someone else who can make them happy, or they convince themselves that if the only had this or that, then they'd be content. But such is seldom the case, happiness must emanate from within first, then we usually attract what we project. I was single and rushed to get married once, only to wish I was single again. Looking for another to fulfill your life isn't always the answer, learning to be secure in yourself should come first, and then you have something positive to bring to a relationship and aren't reliant on someone else to fill your emotional void. Bottom line though; None but Christ can ultimately satisfy.
 

Jewel5712

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Back in the decade of the 1970s-- before personal computing and the
internet --I used to stop in at a 7-11 convenience store every morning on
my way to work. Back then, naughty magazines were right out in front of
the counter before it became illegal to display them like that.


I remarked to the clerk that I was puzzled why men didn't get married
instead of resorting to naughty magazines to satisfy their longings. He
answered: Some men are buying the magazines because they're married.


I hadn't thought of that angle, but I'm pretty sure the clerk was right
because internet porn is very popular with married men; even Christian
married men. In point of fact; internet porn has become so prevalent that
some churches are offering counseling for Christian men that they say
are "addicted" to porn.


Personally, I rather suspect that internet porn is keeping quite a few men
home at night instead of out cruising bars for chicks. In point of fact, I'd even
go so far as to suggest that there are a number of marriages that internet porn
is helping to save rather than wreck. So let's not be too quick to condemn
men into porn who are stuck with wives that leave them frustrated, desperate,
and unfulfilled.
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I HEARD COLD SHOWERS STILL WORK WELL :)
 

MrH59

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Ok, I understand and agree with everything that has been said. Porn is wrong, no matter what form or fashion it comes in. Books, internet, imagination We all know GOD has given us a sexual drive Go forth and multiply. GOD said it is good if we can abstain but if not we should get married.
We should get married to relieve those sexual urges so we don't fall off that slippery slope. Personally after relations with my wife my urges are relieved and I have no interest in porn or masturbation.
My question to all my friends and fellow believers in Christ is this. "if you have imagination or video of you and your wife or spouse having relations and you relieve your tensions with this is it wrong.
 

MrH59

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Its interesting that they are referred to as adulterers, which means He was speaking to married individuals. So if a single person lusts, presumably it is fornication, then. Well, at least, in the heart. I've heard it said that lust isn't just a simple appreciation of what you see, but if no one else was around you'd partake in the act with them (as if you could get away with it, no repercussions).
I was told once by a preacher, there are two ways to look at a woman. one is as a beautiful rose, pleasing to the eye, attractive and enjoyable to see. second is like a tall cold glass of water on a hot day, refreshing and satisfying. You decide.
in Christ name, Amen
 

Tommy379

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We should all find a spouse. Sure. Problem is, there is usually a lot more people we would like to marry, than would like to marry us.