The Gospel Demands Radical Sacrifice - David Platt

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Marano

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Powerful sermon from David Platt, I would like to hear your thoughts on it, if anyone cares to watch it and comment.
 

OneFaith

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Powerful sermon from David Platt, I would like to hear your thoughts on it, if anyone cares to watch it and comment.
What people need to understand is this is a spiritual disownership of your life, your possessions, and your relationships- it all now belongs to God to use as He sees fit. One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit was generosity. How can you be generous on an ongoing basis if you have nothing to be generous with?

When the men came to the owner of the donkey Jesus was to ride (Mark 11) what if that man said "I listened to Jesus and gave all I have to the poor, so I no longer have the donkey." Yes Jesus wants us to help the poor, but we are to love God even more than the poor. When expensive perfume was poured on Jesus feet Judas complained that money could have helped the poor. We need to be good stewards of His possessions, ready to use when and how He sees fit.

By saying all that I possess is no longer mine means it is all His and I am the caretaker of it. I heard in a sermon once that during a riot this man's car was smashed, flipped over, with broken glass everywhere. Did this christian man swear? Did he yell? No, he said "God, look what they did to Your car." - That is the attitude we must have.
 

Dan58

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Didn't watch the whole thing, but imo, he's taken a spiritual message and made it literal.. In Luke 14, Jesus is simply expounding on the greatest commandment, and the message is not to put anything above God. Your possessions and family take a second place to following Christ. We can't be a true follower if we hold anything more important. And verse 26 which says that a person cannot be his disciple if he doesn't hate his parents, spouse, and children is a bad translation, that Greek word is better translated as "love less". So of course we are expected to love others and not hate them, but we aren't suppose to love anyone or anything more than our God.
 

OneFaith

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Didn't watch the whole thing, but imo, he's taken a spiritual message and made it literal.. In Luke 14, Jesus is simply expounding on the greatest commandment, and the message is not to put anything above God. Your possessions and family take a second place to following Christ. We can't be a true follower if we hold anything more important. And verse 26 which says that a person cannot be his disciple if he doesn't hate his parents, spouse, and children is a bad translation, that Greek word is better translated as "love less". So of course we are expected to love others and not hate them, but we aren't suppose to love anyone or anything more than our God.
I agree, a bad translation, because Jesus considers hatred the same as murder.
 

beta

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I agree, a bad translation, because Jesus considers hatred the same as murder.
It makes you wonder if that is the 'only' bad/poor translation in the bible that can lead people astray ? after all it was written/translated by fallible Humans who themselves were 'not yet perfect'.
 

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In my case the Gospel demanded radical CHANGE !
I changed from pagan sunday to 'The Sabbath of the Lord !
 

Nehemiah6

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In my case the Gospel demanded radical CHANGE !
I changed from pagan sunday to 'The Sabbath of the Lord !
Well Saturday is pagan Saturday, since it is dedicated to Saturn! So you went from one pagan god to another. That's all (if you want to take this to the absurd limits).

Do you know anything about Saturn and Saturday?
Saturday: named after the Roman god Saturn associated with the Titan Cronus, father of Zeus and many Olympians. Its original Anglo-Saxon rendering was Sæturnesdæg (pronounced [ˈsæturnezdæj]). In Latin, it was dies Saturni, "Day of Saturn".

Saturn is connected with human sacrifices, orgies of rampant gluttony and drunkenness, gambling, role reversal (slaves becoming masters for a day and vice versa), "the lord of misrule", the feast of fools, gag gifts, etc.

So Sunday ( the day of the sun) is actually less evil, more civil and more dignified than Saturday (the day of Saturn).

As you can see it is totally foolish to talk about the pagan connections to the days of the week. The Lord's Day is the first day of week, which HAPPENS TO BE Sunday.
 

lightbearer

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Well Saturday is pagan Saturday, since it is dedicated to Saturn! So you went from one pagan god to another. That's all (if you want to take this to the absurd limits).
The Sabbath is of the LORD not pagan
The Lord's Day is the first day of week, which HAPPENS TO BE Sunday.

Jesus said He is Lord of the Sabbath which is the Seventh Day of the week not the first day of the week
 

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I watched only the first 10 min or so of the vid. I detect a misunderstanding of the scriptures and Jesus messages. There are two key things going on here. First, Jesus is being literal when he says things like leave your father and mother and follow me. Same as in Matt when he says pluck your eye our or go to hell. Jesus taught in absolutes to people who lived before the price for sin was paid at the cross.
Living under OT law required a yes or no answer to God. The answers is yes, I am guilty and in need of a savior.
Second. Today we live in the NC.
We are forgiven of our sins. Yes we should put God above all else as is Jesus’ ideal. We however also now live under a new command to love one another.
 

lightbearer

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Didn't watch the whole thing, but imo, he's taken a spiritual message and made it literal.. In Luke 14, Jesus is simply expounding on the greatest commandment, and the message is not to put anything above God. Your possessions and family take a second place to following Christ. We can't be a true follower if we hold anything more important. And verse 26 which says that a person cannot be his disciple if he doesn't hate his parents, spouse, and children is a bad translation, that Greek word is better translated as "love less". So of course we are expected to love others and not hate them, but we aren't suppose to love anyone or anything more than our God.
Love less? That is from Strongs.
Here is what Bauer penned in the BDAG.

to be disinclined to, disfavor, disregard in contrast to preferential treatment (Gn 29:31; Dt 21:15, 16) Mt 6:24; Lk 16:13. τὴν ψυχὴν αὐτοῦ J 12:25 or ἑαυτοῦ Lk 14:26 (cp. the formulation Plut, Mor. 556d οὐδ᾿ ἐμίσουν ἑαυτούς; on the theme cp. Tyrtaeus [VII B.C.] 8, 5 D.3). Ro 9:13 (Mal 1:2f). Perh. 2 Cl 6:6 (s. 1b). (JDenney, The Word ‘Hate’ in Lk 14:26: ET 21, 1910, 41f; WBleibtreu, Paradoxe Aussprüche Jesu: Theol. Arbeiten aus d. wissensch. Prediger-Verein d. Rheinprovinz, new ser. 20, 24, 15–35; RSockman, The Paradoxes of J. ’36).—ACarr, The Mng. of ‘Hatred’ in the NT: Exp. 6th ser., 12, 1905, 153–60.—DELG. M-M. EDNT. TW.

Love less?
 

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Well Saturday is pagan Saturday, since it is dedicated to Saturn! So you went from one pagan god to another. That's all (if you want to take this to the absurd limits).

Do you know anything about Saturn and Saturday?
Saturday: named after the Roman god Saturn associated with the Titan Cronus, father of Zeus and many Olympians. Its original Anglo-Saxon rendering was Sæturnesdæg (pronounced [ˈsæturnezdæj]). In Latin, it was dies Saturni, "Day of Saturn".

Saturn is connected with human sacrifices, orgies of rampant gluttony and drunkenness, gambling, role reversal (slaves becoming masters for a day and vice versa), "the lord of misrule", the feast of fools, gag gifts, etc.

So Sunday ( the day of the sun) is actually less evil, more civil and more dignified than Saturday (the day of Saturn).

As you can see it is totally foolish to talk about the pagan connections to the days of the week. The Lord's Day is the first day of week, which HAPPENS TO BE Sunday.
I won't ask you the same question you asked me because it is blatantly obvious you know NOTHING about the 'SABBATH of the LORD'. You are NOT looking at what GOD says but what comes from human understanding....which we are NOT to rely on.
 

Noblemen

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Powerful sermon from David Platt, I would like to hear your thoughts on it, if anyone cares to watch it and comment.
I too skipped through, what I did hear was not really to different from most pulpiteers these days.
I will say the statement "say what God is saying or lets talk about what God is thinking has always struck me as a strange statement, he is not unique to the statement. I think the young man has a good word all in all, just my take.
 

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I won't ask you the same question you asked me because it is blatantly obvious you know NOTHING about the 'SABBATH of the LORD'. You are NOT looking at what GOD says but what comes from human understanding....which we are NOT to rely on.
Yes and that understanding to which you speak spawned from the Catholic church. And They get the understanding from Antiquity (ancient writings) which they preserved. I wonder how much they destroyed. They use to destroy Christians that did not agree with what they said, why not writings from Antiquity that did not agree with what they said.
 

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The gospel demands salvation by grace through faith, not works (Ephesians 2:8,9) and not salvation by "grace plus law, faith plus works." The gospel is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16). To believe the gospel is to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation. Radical sacrifice comes with discipleship after one believes the gospel and is saved.
 

lightbearer

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The gospel demands salvation by grace through faith, not works (Ephesians 2:8,9) and not salvation by "grace plus law, faith plus works." The gospel is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16). To believe the gospel is to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation. Radical sacrifice comes with discipleship after one believes the gospel and is saved.
Belief and trust is a work. To have faith is to exercise trust in what you believe. Therefore Faith is a work.
 

mailmandan

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Belief and trust is a work. To have faith is to exercise trust in what you believe. Therefore Faith is a work.
Faith is not just another work in a series of works in a quest to receive salvation by works. Why do you think that Paul made a "distinction" between saved through FAITH and NOT WORKS in Ephesians 2:8,9 if faith is just another work like all other works?

To have faith in Jesus Christ for salvation is to place our faith (belief, trust, reliance) in Jesus Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation. *Not to be confused with multiple acts of obedience/works which "follow" and are produced "out of" faith which usually ends up being defined "as" faith by those who teach salvation by faith "plus works."

By choosing to place our faith (belief, trust, reliance) in Jesus Christ for salvation, we are completely trusting in "Another's work," (Christ's finished work of redemption to save us). Faith in Christ is the root of salvation and works are the fruit. Faith is faith and works are works.
 

mailmandan

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You post for strife and to make accusations. There is one that accuses
I posted to expose the works of darkness (Ephesians 5:11) in which that article from the nonsda website clearly pointed out.
 

lightbearer

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I posted to expose the works of darkness (Ephesians 5:11) in which that article from the nonsda website clearly pointed out.
No you posted to rise strife. You make accusations about things you know nothing about. As if you are GOD and have the right to condemn