Did Jesus Have The Human Sinful Nature?

btw, I don't see how Jesus could be the seed of David if Mary's DNA was not involved.

If a human body is healthy, it has a normal level of hormones, sexual instincts, aggresivity, survival instinct, chemistry of various moods etc.

If Christ´s body was like ours (which is pretty much the doctrine of his humanity), he had these inclinations too. He had to overcome them perfectly.

I do not consider the sinful nature to be something spiritual, I think its just a description of our animal bodies.

The word of God says Luke 1:35

And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
Here is the Cause God who overshadowed mary the effect = holy thing which shall be born of thee SHALL be called the Son of God
not the son of Adam.
what does DNA have to do with Jesus ? the interjection of DNA was not me nor does the Word of God even mention DNA.
Why? because this was a Miracle performed by God. As far as the egg goes yes we do know . How else Could the Lords genealogy come to me as fully man ? We know HE is Fully God . The Fully man we seen in the genealogy recorded in Matthew and Luke.

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Nope The sinful nature comes from the seed of man not of women.

If God implanted an embryo, then Christ is not a descendant of David. The Bible clearly states he is.

We, or at least I, do not know. But the sin nature is passed SOMEHOW from the father's side.

Then you are interpreting Romans 5:12 as: "therefore death spread to all men but not women."

Do you believe Adam needed saving before he sinned?

Do you believe all human beings need salvation, or only those who have willfully sinned?

now look at this scripture carefully. many times people take scripture as literal and it messes them up. this scripture speaks volumes of TRUTH.

first of all, before Yeshua was ever the priest of Abraham (Melchizedek), the person with 2 angels who Abram saw before the fall of Sodom and Ghomorrow, the A (capital A) Angel of God/Lord who appeared to Ishmael's mother, appeared to Joshua, the Burning Bush (THESE ARE ALL APPEARANCES OF YESHUA BEFORE WE KNEW HIM AS YESHUA)…before any of those appearances and then as Christ...this verse makes it clear the WORD was the Spirit Invisible GOD [Yahweh] who became flesh and dwelt among us.

when we think about the WORD, look at it like this...when Yahweh speaks a command...it's His WORD that does the ACTION (like creation). SO, when the WORD became FLESH [Yeshua said in John 14 I am not doing these things but the Father INSIDE ME is doing them] (or another words) Yahweh speaks and Yeshua Yahweh's WORD that became flesh is DOING THE ACTION. this makes them THE SAME BEING.

it is why Paul in Colossians claimed Yeshua is the VISIBLE IMAGE to the INVISIBLE GOD...because...the INVISIBLE GOD SPEAKS...the WORD who is the visible flesh DOES THE ACTION.


one of these days you will understand that scripture IS NOT ALWAYS LITERAL. until then, I will pray for you!!

you told me I was not saved. you started this. how can you demean me and then cry foul? what kind of human being are you, other than a weak minded one?

Christ was a seed IMPLANTED BY GOD. so He never was human as from human DNA. and how is it that God is limited by you that He cannot be in Heaven in Spirit and on earth as Flesh when we know God is OMNIPRESENT [EVERYWHERE]?

Nor could he be the son of man, which he called himself many more times than he called himself the son of GOD.

you do have to take what was said prior to Heb 2:17-18 if you do not then it is confusing

So if you read hebrews chapter 1
this is said first about Jesus so we should I think Build on this from Chapter 1 moving through the book of Hebrews

NLT:

:1
Long ago God spoke many times and in many ways to our ancestors through the prophets.

:2
And now in these final days, he has spoken to us through his Son. G
:3

The Son radiates God’s own glory and expresses the very character of God, he sustains everything by the mighty power of his command. When he had cleansed us from our sins, he sat down in the place of honor at the right hand of the majestic God in heaven.

:4
This shows that the Son is far greater than the angels, just as the name God gave him is greater than their names.
:5
For God never said to any angel what he said to Jesus:
“You are my Son.
Today I have become your Father.[fn]”God also said,
“I will be his Father,
and he will be my Son.”[fn]

:6
And when he brought his supreme[fn] Son into the world, God said,[fn]
“Let all of God’s angels worship him.”[fn]

Please read on to Heb 21-18
From chapter one

Jesus is very much seen as God Here & our High Priest which has to be without sin.

Hews 1 says Jesus has or is the following :

God promised everything to the Son as an inheritance, and through the Son he created the universe.

Jesus in Creation= had to be without sin

The Son radiates God’s own glory and expresses the very character of God, = had to be without SIN to have the VERY Character of God.

This shows that the Son is far greater than the angels, just as the name God gave him is greater than their names.

the name is "authority " God gave HIM greater= could not be done if HE had sin
nd on and on it goes.

SO what is it in Heb 2:17-18 ?

If we look at verse 1 of chapter two It tells us to do what?

:1 So we must listen very carefully to the truth we have heard, or we may drift away from it.
this is in context to what has already be said bout Jesus in chapter 1
Jesus when HE said in verse 11

So now Jesus and the ones he makes holy have the same Father. That is why Jesus is not ashamed to call them his brothers and sisters.[fn]
who are the brothers and sisters it is speaking about in 17 -18?

The Jews .

No not at all .

you have a father you have mother without father you would not have been born. we died because of sin. Jesus willfully stepped into the LIKEness of sinful man and experienced physical death on the cross. But is was a what kind of death? It was a Vicarious death one HE did for ll of us HE who had not SIN, Became sin for us IF HE had sin already then HE could not take on others sin.

No HE did not .

Death spread to all men and women who are descendants of Adam on their father's side.

Jesus' Father is God, the Father. Jesus did not inherit the sin nature every descendant of Adam has.

I see the sinful nature as being the whole man ruled by the soul. The spirit cannot rule because it is alienated from GOD.

why are you attacking another denomination?
The deity of Christ is not aog doctrine it is the foundational truth of Christianity. Jesus is God and had no sin. This has nothing to do with anything other then the post position . IF one thinks Jesus had sinned, or did sin, then HE was not perfect . And we are not saved. I'm shocked of those who would argue against the fundamental Biblical Truth. And it is error at the minim and anti-christ teaching .

look at it from the view of adoption. when we adopt a child, that child now is viewed as someone within our lineage and heritage [blood or not]. kind of the same with marriage. a person marries into the heritage of their spouses family. Yeshua, 100% God, was adopted into the lineage of David by the fact Mary and Joseph were His human parents, not biological parents.