My fiance doesn't believe in the Trinity

when we think about the WORD, look at it like this...when Yahweh speaks a command...it's His WORD that does the ACTION (like creation). SO, when the WORD became FLESH [Yeshua said in John 14 I am not doing these things but the Father INSIDE ME is doing them] (or another words) Yahweh speaks and Yeshua Yahweh's WORD that became flesh is DOING THE ACTION. this makes them THE SAME BEING.

it is why Paul in Colossians claimed Yeshua is the VISIBLE IMAGE to the INVISIBLE GOD...because...the INVISIBLE GOD SPEAKS...the WORD who is the visible flesh DOES THE ACTION.

Hello everyone

My fiance and I have known each other for 6 years, have been dating for 3 years, and have been engaged for 4 months.

I've always known that she doesn't believe in the Trinity. Despite that, I've always believed that she is the woman I'm meant to be with. I have prayed countless times for God to take her away from me if she is not the right woman for me, and He hasn't! Our relationship is pretty perfect really, but there's just this one issue that bothers me.

She identifies as a Christian, and I believe that she is a Christian. She just believes that based on an unbiased, straight-forward reading of the bible, there is nothing to prove that Jesus is God. She also can't see how Jesus praying to God in the Garden of Gethsemane makes any sense at all. I've showed her all the bible verses that we rely upon in defense of the Trinity, but she doesn't think they make a strong enough case in favour of it. In fairness to her, there are no unambiguous bible verses that clearly spell out the Trinity; rather it is a combination of verses that we use to understand the Trinity. I've showed her John 1:1, but she just doesn't see it.

She and I have had many many many conversations about this, and has told me that she will probably never change her mind about it. She has also asked that I stop trying to change her mind about it. I have told her in no uncertain terms that I will be talking to her about this for the rest of her life.

She grew up as a Mormon - but renounced Mormonism long before I met her. This is probably where her views come from. But herein lies the problem. She knows that from childhood she was fooled into believing the lies of Mormonism. She is now (understandably) extremely reluctant to simply believe things just because a lot of people say its true. So its not going to be easy to help her to understand the truth.

What should I do here? How do I help her to see the truth?

Oh and not marrying her is not an option. She is far more likely to find the truth with me than without me, in my estimation.

Thank you

Hello everyone

My fiance and I have known each other for 6 years, have been dating for 3 years, and have been engaged for 4 months.

I've always known that she doesn't believe in the Trinity. Despite that, I've always believed that she is the woman I'm meant to be with. I have prayed countless times for God to take her away from me if she is not the right woman for me, and He hasn't! Our relationship is pretty perfect really, but there's just this one issue that bothers me.

She identifies as a Christian, and I believe that she is a Christian. She just believes that based on an unbiased, straight-forward reading of the bible, there is nothing to prove that Jesus is God. She also can't see how Jesus praying to God in the Garden of Gethsemane makes any sense at all. I've showed her all the bible verses that we rely upon in defense of the Trinity, but she doesn't think they make a strong enough case in favour of it. In fairness to her, there are no unambiguous bible verses that clearly spell out the Trinity; rather it is a combination of verses that we use to understand the Trinity. I've showed her John 1:1, but she just doesn't see it.

She and I have had many many many conversations about this, and has told me that she will probably never change her mind about it. She has also asked that I stop trying to change her mind about it. I have told her in no uncertain terms that I will be talking to her about this for the rest of her life.

She grew up as a Mormon - but renounced Mormonism long before I met her. This is probably where her views come from. But herein lies the problem. She knows that from childhood she was fooled into believing the lies of Mormonism. She is now (understandably) extremely reluctant to simply believe things just because a lot of people say its true. So its not going to be easy to help her to understand the truth.

What should I do here? How do I help her to see the truth?

Oh and not marrying her is not an option. She is far more likely to find the truth with me than without me, in my estimation.

Thank you

pray for her do not try to change her let the Holy Spirit reveal Who HE is to her. This is spiritually discerned . Yet we all are limited in our understanding . You show her Jesus and Let the Holy Spirit show her the Godhead

the WORD.
what is being referenced here by the term WORD?
something spoken.

when you talk, you speak words.

so, we know the WORD is something spoken. and in the Bible, the WORD is God speaking.

does the WORD becoming flesh suddenly separates itself from the speaker [God]?
no

the WORD is an extension of GOD, not something separate.

You are building too much on the English translation - "Word".

In Greek, its "Logos" and in Greek culture this term had specific philosophical meanings and context. Logos was a being emerging from God, its not a word in a grammatical sense.

J 1:1 is using this philosophical context and saying - this (ho) Logos is Jesus Christ. The Logos became flesh and lived among us.

It has very little or nothing with "speaking". Also, nobody says that Son is separated from Father, they are one, creating unity.

still is an example of what I am saying here.

the word logos means: the Word of God, or principle of divine reason and creative order.

this is specific to how I am using it.
Yeshua is the creation of God's spoken WORD.
God speaks and His WORD creates what is commanded.

either way, God and His spoken WORD are still ONE and the SAME PERSON!!

I cannot speak and my words not be my own, just like God cannot speak and His WORD not be His own!!

***you do realize John was written in Aramaic, koine Greek, and Latin?***

Jesus is not a thing, He is a person. A person talking to Father, praying to Father, coming from Father and again returning to Father and sitting with Him on the throne.



No, I do not. I realize that the gospel of John was written in Greek, though.

Yeshua is God's spoken WORD. even LOGOS explains this. it means EXTENSION. God literally made His WORD flesh. and as He spoke, His WORD did what was spoken.

once again, what you say [your words] are not different/separate from you. your words are you.

this is the same with God and His WORD. they are ONE and the SAME.

are you actually ignoring that Yeshua said the Father is directing me, not me making my own decisions [God speaking and His WORD obeying]?

are you actually ignoring Colossians 1:15
He [Yeshua] is the VISIBLE (image) to the INVISIBLE God...which is from Yeshua's OWN WORDS = when you SEE ME you SEE the FATHER, when you SEE the FATHER, you SEE ME?


it's as if you are picking and choosing scripture and ignoring the fact that Yeshua told us He is the action obeying the command = God speaks and His WORD obeys!!

Jesus is God Jesus is Lord . You are legalistic in your theology too. This is why you write Yeshua over writing " Jesus ".

the Jews of that day DID NOT call Him Jesus, they called Him Yeshua. if that is what He was known by while on earth, why not then call Him by His actual name?

in fact, Peter and John told the beggar, silver and gold have I none, but such as I have I give thee, arise in the NAME of YESHUA of Nazareth.

demons clearly know His real NAME.
Satan the adversary knows His real NAME.
so why not battle them by using His real NAME?

after all, it is His real NAME!!


Yahweh/Yeshua both are correct names of God beginning with the letter Y.

If you cannot find "Yeshua" nowhere in the New Testament, why do you accomodate yourself to how Jews called Him.

Jesus is not a spoken word. Jesus is Logos, a one-born person, born by His Father. The term "word" in John 1 is not about spoken, written, lexical word, thats what I am trying to tell you. It has a different meaning.

Yeshua is all over the New Testament in the CJB version. it's the authentic Jewish translation of both the Old and New Testaments. every scripture in the KJV that state Jesus, states Yeshua in the CJB. I did mention to you the Gospels were written in Aramaic, and then in Greek and Latin!!

in fact, the CJB has everyone's AUTHENTIC NAME as it is spoken in Hebrew/Yiddish.

Matthew 1 is the lineage record. here is verse 21...

21 She will give birth to a son, and you are to name him Yeshua, [which means `ADONAI saves,'] because he will save his people from their sins."



here is the famous John 8:58 where Yeshua states He is before Abraham because He is I AM...notice Abrahams name in the Hebrew/Yiddish:

58 Yeshua said to them, "Yes, indeed! Before Avraham came into being, I AM!"



here is the famous ONENESS BAPTISM VERSE from Peter in Acts 2:38. notice what the gift of the Holy Spirit is called in the Hebrew/Yiddish:

38 Kefa answered them, "Turn from sin, return to God, and each of you be immersed on the authority of Yeshua the Messiah into forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Ruach HaKodesh!





I much rather know their real names. because in heaven, we won't call them by their translated names!!

The New Testament was inspired in Greek and the name for Jesus is Iesous there.

Therefore, there is no need to use Hebrew names, when even apostles did not see the need of it.