Are American Democrats turning to Socialism?

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notuptome

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NO that is wrong, Germany is a democratic socialist country now so is France, England ,Switzerland, Canada, Denmark ,Australia, on and on.
Germany was under the rule of the a dictator the Kaiser before WW2. The German Democracy was co-opted by socialism which feigned to hate communism. The German people wanted all the free stuff promised them by the Democratic socialists.

The Weimar Republic brought rampant inflation and social panic which led to the election of Chancellor Hitler who then took over and became the tyrant we all know him to have been.

All the countries on your list testify of how socialism is a complete failure as a government.

For the cause of Christ
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Do you know who one of the largest stock holders in the Left's NYT's is? George Soros.

So do you know who is one of the largest stock holders on the right is, who cares. Right left they are both wicked and are playing us Jesus is in control. there is no political church there is only the church of Jesus Christ which knows all the kingdoms of this world will fold. Even wicked america
 

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Germany was under the rule of the a dictator the Kaiser before WW2. The German Democracy was co-opted by socialism which feigned to hate communism. The German people wanted all the free stuff promised them by the Democratic socialists.

The Weimar Republic brought rampant inflation and social panic which led to the election of Chancellor Hitler who then took over and became the tyrant we all know him to have been.

All the countries on your list testify of how socialism is a complete failure as a government.

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Roger
You are truly misinformed.
 

notuptome

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not realy, that's like saying the liver and kidneys are the same. Comunisim and marxism are the same and support a one party system and total government control over people, socialism is quite different where the people have total control over the government. What it often has became though, you are correct about because the people failed to enforce the rule of law over the government. Kind of like what would happen if only republicans or only democrats were in charge here. Comunium also opposes private property like houses. socialism only opposes large private businesses like banks and car companies. Plus communism opposes competition and socialism endorses competition

privatization of public services like schools and roads is fascisim, like the mini antichrist Hitler became. but the opposite like government welfare for banks and oil companies is communism Like the other mini antichrist Stalin did. Or don't you see the difference between STALIN and HITLER? The greatest president we ever had, FDR was as Socialist!

Have you been listening to the John Birch Society?
You have been indoctrinated by Gov Moonbeam.

Socialism compels the haves to give to the have-nots. A constitutional republic allows and depends on the goodness of church folks to care for the poor and needy. When you cede this to the government your create your own demise. Politicians buy votes with the money of these they coerce into voting for them. There is no sating the appetite of people when they have tasted the free stuff the government promises them.

Without capitalism there is not prosperity. Some capitalists are greedy but so are most government elected officials. Government does not create prosperity. Government must keep civil order but not redirect wealth. That outside of government is stealing. Well it is inside government as well but they will not prosecute themselves.

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Roger
 

calibob

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NO Jesus christ and His word does. And this particular vidio is right on. And who are you the judge a all knowing
MY FIRST REACTION WAS WHO'S HE? I've heard of chem trails for years.
You are truly misinformed.
Hitler was a traitor to Socialism an the poorly educated people were conned like if they thought they bought rum but it was rubbing alcohol
 

calibob

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You have been indoctrinated by Gov Moonbeam.

Socialism compels the haves to give to the have-nots. A constitutional republic allows and depends on the goodness of church folks to care for the poor and needy. When you cede this to the government your create your own demise. Politicians buy votes with the money of these they coerce into voting for them. There is no sating the appetite of people when they have tasted the free stuff the government promises them.

Without capitalism there is not prosperity. Some capitalists are greedy but so are most government elected officials. Government does not create prosperity. Government must keep civil order but not redirect wealth. That outside of government is stealing. Well it is inside government as well but they will not prosecute themselves.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
We can't have a one sided system! The congrssional Democrats have betrayed their voters who are too poory educated to realize what is really going on. Thats why the rise of Progessives and Socialists. The old Communist ways failed and everyone knows it, they're as dead as Manifest Destiny.
 

calibob

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Gov Reagan said when I was in school 'The only birth control that women need is an aspirin held between the knees, and he promised not to raise taxes till he got into office an raised sales tax 33%. Later he cut funding to state mental hospitals and sent many thousands into the streets. "Be not deciveved, God is not mocked..." Look what happened to him in the end.

Gov. Brown as 2x as good for health, education and welfare.

Scwartzenager [a republican] stopped payment for teachers and state hospital workers 2 mos. I beleive. Because the state senate couldn't balance a budget that the prior republican state leaders ran so far into the red.
 

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So do you know who is one of the largest stock holders on the right is, who cares. Right left they are both wicked and are playing us Jesus is in control. there is no political church there is only the church of Jesus Christ which knows all the kingdoms of this world will fold. Even wicked america
I have no respect ever for someone who claims to be American and hates their home country. It demonstrates a lack of awareness as to America's history if such a one claims also to be Christian.
If they're foreign then their hate means even less because their home country loves that America helps them out when they need us. U.S. .

All things happen according to God's predestination. Scripture tells us that. However, no one despite what they like to claim, especially if or when they espouse Socialism as an ideal model, lives outside of government policy in some way. If they drive. If they own property. If they have an issued ID by their home state, etc...

Radical yapper's are the thing now I guess. George Soros funding Occupy Wall Street, then BLM, just to spread the divide in America even further are Godless men led by Demons to do the will of their father.

Those who argue we should stick our head in the sand, pray, and look to Heaven are the one's that will be surprised when the knock comes at their door that tells them in its own way, God does indeed help those who help themselves rather than advocate a nanny state and a nanny God.
 

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You have been indoctrinated by Gov Moonbeam.

Socialism compels the haves to give to the have-nots. A constitutional republic allows and depends on the goodness of church folks to care for the poor and needy. When you cede this to the government your create your own demise. Politicians buy votes with the money of these they coerce into voting for them. There is no sating the appetite of people when they have tasted the free stuff the government promises them.

Without capitalism there is not prosperity. Some capitalists are greedy but so are most government elected officials. Government does not create prosperity. Government must keep civil order but not redirect wealth. That outside of government is stealing. Well it is inside government as well but they will not prosecute themselves.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
"Promote the general welfare."
 

notuptome

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not today, So iwas predestination, Gods Will that Hitler and Stalin kill 50,000,000 of their countrymen or are you going to deny the hollocost also?
Your socialists of today kill on a mass scale. What is more innocent than an unborn baby? Wait until they have a free hand to kill old people then they will attain the same level of efficiency in murdering as the greats of history.

Socialists are ok with suffering as long as someone else is doing the suffering. Progressives are just socialists to cowardly to assume their real identity.

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Roger
 

OstrichSmiling

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not today, So iwas predestination, Gods Will that Hitler and Stalin kill 50,000,000 of their countrymen or are you going to deny the hollocost also?
You're unaware of the scriptures pertaining to predestination, predetermination, then?
 

calibob

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Your socialists of today kill on a mass scale. What is more innocent than an unborn baby? Wait until they have a free hand to kill old people then they will attain the same level of efficiency in murdering as the greats of history.

Not MY Socialists. I'm closer to the middle of the road, between Carter and Ford. Extreemists can be very detrimental to the cohesion of our nation either way! I sat alone and tried to figure out what all of the noise is about. I've listened to Steve Bannon, Noam Chomsky, Al Gore, Richard Wolf, Jeff Sessions etc, I agree with y ou about abortion also. And I am kind of angry that so many will not admit what they really stand for. Until it becomes popular that is.

My most socialist viewpoints regard Health , Education and Welfare. Ending Corporate Socialism and updating the constution, not abolishing it.. My conserns are not the wealth of the wealthy but the well being of the below average. We need a two party [at least] system which is clearly defined. Not like a coin that is heads or tail's on both sides. And honest politicians [oxymoron] that will not bow to the rich but do what the people elected them to do. Name calling will not work with me. I'm more afraid of Trump than Sanders but that's personal. I wasn't quite sure who Sanders was in 2016.

I tried to register to vote online but what I got was solicitations for money from the Clinton campaign. I didn't vote for her either! I felt like I was caught between two PIMPS. Not interested. Socialists have as much rights as Republicans do but not as much money. Most democratic officials are demigogs, pledging their alegance to the highest bidder, their the worst of the three. If they aren't ousted I hope the party colapses. I also think the Constitution needs to be brought out of the 19th century. The authors left provision for that.
The left side is weakest and should be bolstered and the demigog corporate socialists ON BOTH SIDES must be booted out, so the field is level again. We are supposed to be home of the free, land of the brave. Not the RICH
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This is not a zero sum, winner take all game.
 

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Your socialists of today kill on a mass scale. What is more innocent than an unborn baby? Wait until they have a free hand to kill old people then they will attain the same level of efficiency in murdering as the greats of history.

Socialists are ok with suffering as long as someone else is doing the suffering. Progressives are just socialists to cowardly to assume their real identity.

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Roger
Killing of the infirm elderly is already happening in America. I know two people who suffered the loss of an elderly family member. One succumbed to a stroke due to purposeful evidences of malpractice. The suit is still pending. And another lost her sister after the Doctor informed the older one that it would be better to let her go and find peace. This in a hospital not a Hospice. When the sister was rightly outraged at the suggestion she allow the hospital to put her down like an animal, the sister later "died of natural causes." As in hours after.
And in John Hopkins hospital, rated top hospital in the country but not for patient care! But rather due to their medical research, they don't stop at putting down infirm elderly. A woman I know lost a niece because her blood type matched a very rich patient who's child needed organs harvested to live.

The killing fields in our American hospitals have been active for a very long time. Socialized medicine, Obamacare, is just the newest vehicle upon which the ghouls ride.
 

calibob

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The killing fields in our American hospitals have been active for a very long time. Socialized medicine, Obamacare, is just the newest vehicle upon which the ghouls ride.[/QUOTE]

I know many/most of the things you have said are true. My daughter worked for Obama care 4 years, 2 as a crew leader and she couldn't figure it out either. What is your solution to providing health care to those who cannot afford it? I joined the military for VA Benifits but for those who didn't what should we do?
 

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The killing fields in our American hospitals have been active for a very long time. Socialized medicine, Obamacare, is just the newest vehicle upon which the ghouls ride.
I know many/most of the things you have said are true. My daughter worked for Obama care 4 years, 2 as a crew leader and she couldn't figure it out either. What is your solution to providing health care to those who cannot afford it? I joined the military for VA Benifits but for those who didn't what should we do?[/QUOTE]

Personally, I think the medical industry having one of the strongest lobbies in DC is the huge issue for all of us. The insurance industry has a lobby, the AMA has a lobby. And it is like that old joke, if you want to influence politics buy a politician.
They do.
Just like big pharmaceutical buys doctors by giving them perks to make their patients the next level of guinea pig when new prescription drugs hit the market.

We have to get the Medical lobby out of control in DC.
If a president wants the best medical care for American's they should pass legislation that pertains to that entity that makes quality and fair medical care to become a privilege rather than a right. Insurance companies should be regulated by law, not American's who have to choose a level of care they can afford and then find later they can't afford the deductable itself.

I don't have Obamacare. Nor does my husband. We can't afford the monthly premium that runs in the lowest tier over $1000 a month. To the highest at over $3000.
Hubby had a severe car accident last year and his lawyers suggested we apply for Medicare to cover us when our insurance was finally exhausted. Meanwhile, we have to go through a lot to get the at-fault driver's insurance company to reimburse. So we're on Medicare.
Which I take as God's lesson to show us what it is to be in a bracket that the government considers to be the poor.
It's fascinating to see the division from a personal level.

As long as rich people lead this country the majority of the population that are mid-line to poor are going to suffer. But were it not for us there would be no them. They just don't realize that.

For Christians there have arrived medical insurance options that are structured with respect to our beliefs. Medi-Share is one.
This is a Yahoo search list of a bunch of others.
 

calibob

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As long as rich people lead this country the majority of the population that are mid-line to poor are going to suffer. But were it not for us there would be no them. They just don't realize that.

For Christians there have arrived medical insurance options that are structured with respect to our beliefs. Medi-Share is one.
This is a Yahoo search list of a bunch of others. [/QUOTE]
the first paragraph was not mine, it was part one that I replied to. you are right about the lobyists but the bigger debate between americans is about government controls extreemists on one side want the government to control things that are out of control now wile the other side so called Libertarians wan to remove controls in favor of a la-za-faire, free market system that helps no one except the rich because they think taxation is stealing, meanwhile people suffer.

I don't expect athiests or agnostics to care. Without a doubt I'd exect Christians to. Thanks for the info on Medi Share ,,
 

OstrichSmiling

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As long as rich people lead this country the majority of the population that are mid-line to poor are going to suffer. But were it not for us there would be no them. They just don't realize that.

For Christians there have arrived medical insurance options that are structured with respect to our beliefs. Medi-Share is one.
This is a Yahoo search list of a bunch of others.
the first paragraph was not mine, it was part one that I replied to. you are right about the lobyists but the bigger debate between americans is about government controls extreemists on one side want the government to control things that are out of control now wile the other side so called Libertarians wan to remove controls in favor of a la-za-faire, free market system that helps no one except the rich because they think taxation is stealing, meanwhile people suffer.

I don't expect athiests or agnostics to care. Without a doubt I'd exect Christians to. Thanks for the info on Medi Share ,,[/QUOTE]
You're welcome. I hope it helps you and yours. :)
I think proponents in government of Socialism, like Bernie Sanders who is an open Democrat Socialist and yet has so little respect for the American people, romanticize the idea of America turning Socialist.
It's a marketing ploy. The older wiser American voters know Socialism for what it is. While the fresh 18 age voter and the demographic that reaches to mid 20's relishes the idea of having everyone who works pay every one of their bills.
That's how they see it. But ask them what Socialism is and most are as clueless as Bernie Sanders.

laissez-faire economics
One of the guiding principles of capitalism, this doctrine claims that an economic system should be free from government intervention or moderation, and be driven only by the market forces. Centered on the belief (termed invisible hand by the 18th century Scottish economist Adam Smith) that human beings are naturally motivated by self-interest and, when they are not interfered-with in their economic activities, a balanced system of production and exchange based on mutual benefit emerges. Laissez-faire (French for, allow to pass or let go) economics originated in the 18th century France where economists (then called 'physiocrats') such as Francois Quesnay (1694-1774) and Victor Riqueti-Marquis de Mirabeau (1715-89) became hostile to subsidies and discriminatory economic measures of then prevalent mercantilism.

They believed in a bountiful nature and innate goodness of humankind, and asserted that governments should leave the individual alone except when social liberties are infringed. In 19th century, this philosophy became the dominant economic thinking in the Western world. But soon its failings reflected in the great disparity in distribution of wealth, harsh treatment of workers, disregard for consumer safety, and spread of monopolies, became clear. By the mid 19th century, opposition to laissez-faire economics began and governments in all industrialized countries intervened on behalf of workers and general population. Factory laws and consumer protection laws were enacted and growth of monopolies was checked. Early 20th century saw breakup of monopolies in the US and (after Second World War) nationalization of essential industries and services in Europe. Keynesian economics (which advocates government intervention in the national economy) further undermined it, a process spurred by the great depression of 1930s.

From 1970's, however, the pendulum swung back to laissez-faire economics (renamed 'market economy' or 'free enterprise') and brought deregulation of business, and progressive removal of trade barriers, which is continuing.

Read more: http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/laissez-faire-economics.html