BIBLE VERSES EXPLAINING SOME TEACHINGS OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH

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Jackson123

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To the new ones here in CC:

I posted this thread not because I want to promote my faith but instead I had posted this because I just want to answer all anti Catholic people's criticisms about the doctrines of the Catholic Church.

It is modus operandi of anti Catholics to primarily criticize our doctrines and then introduce and invite my brethren to join their respective groups.

especially in my country where Catholics are divided because of politics and some members of the clergy are siding with the enemies of the president whom the majority have voted. It is unavoidable that a lot of Catholics are starting to lose their faith in my Church.

Anti Catholic people took this advantage to start convincing and introducing their respective groups; they are starting it by criticizing our doctrines.

I as one of the Catholics, I will not simply just believe on their criticisms; I prefer to counter it.

If you, An anti Catholic reading this message don't know how to counter all of the defense I had posted on page one with your Bible knowledge, I think you should inform your bloggers or even online evangelists to start thinking how to refute them with Biblical verses.

If your bloggers or online evangelists now have refutations using the Bible, you can post the sites if you want.
I do not introduce you my church.or ask to be member of my church. I just want to ask you simple question and back to the bible,

Why do you think catholic not Lie to you when she Said islam worship Abraham God?

Do you believe the bible or catholic.

Simple and I repeat It 1000 time.
 
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To the new ones here in CC:

I posted this thread not because I want to promote my faith but instead I had posted this because I just want to answer all anti Catholic people's criticisms about the doctrines of the Catholic Church.

It is modus operandi of anti Catholics to primarily criticize our doctrines and then introduce and invite my brethren to join their respective groups.

especially in my country where Catholics are divided because of politics and some members of the clergy are siding with the enemies of the president whom the majority have voted. It is unavoidable that a lot of Catholics are starting to lose their faith in my Church.

Anti Catholic people took this advantage to start convincing and introducing their respective groups; they are starting it by criticizing our doctrines.

I as one of the Catholics, I will not simply just believe on their criticisms; I prefer to counter it.

If you, An anti Catholic reading this message don't know how to counter all of the defense I had posted on page one with your Bible knowledge, I think you should inform your bloggers or even online evangelists to start thinking how to refute them with Biblical verses.

If your bloggers or online evangelists now have refutations using the Bible, you can post the sites if you want.
J most here have no interest in learning why Catholics believe what they believe and never in a million years would they ask a Catholic, they would much rather get their information from groups that hate Catholics.
 

Jackson123

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J most here have no interest in learning why Catholics believe what they believe and never in a million years would they ask a Catholic, they would much rather get their information from groups that hate Catholics.
I read lumen gentium not from group that hate catholic. This information is from catholic and proof to be Lie.
 

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I can tell you that I love my Catholic Church. I love the Sacraments, the people, my friend who's a priest, the history and its traditions. My good friend who is the Music Director at the Congregational Church I go to has inspired me to play music in Church. She plays piano and organ at two different Catholic Churches on Sundays and does a few weekday masses too. This Sunday she is serving at three and filling in for another good Catholic friend who is unable to cover every mass. Her husband is Catholic and he and her are the best. I love them both.
St. John's has the best music of any church in town.

Being recently retired, I have more time on my hands and Catholic mass is a great place to be mid-week. They have a mass everyday at several churches in my small NH city. It's the right thing to do since I'm seeking a closer walk with our LORD.

There's a Fundamentalist Baptist Church in town that has good music too. But they are so stuck up it's incredible. If you don't have a three piece suit on you're out of place! Plus they only have one service a week!
I try to avoid painting all Protestants with the same brush. I have met, face to face, many good and holy Protestants who truly love the Lord. They are not anti-Catholic. CCC817-820 is terrifying to anti-Catholics so they conjure up the "one world religion" lie. CCC817-820 is like offering an olive branch to Protestants and some of them spit on it.
And there is a hard hitting paragraph in Ut Unam Sint I am saving for a rainy day.

An ex-Catholic who turns anti-Catholic, in most cases, never fell in love with the Church. Ex-priests get red flagged because the anti-Catholic thinks that alone disproves Catholicism. Ex-priests are like the guy who breaks up with his girlfriend and spends the rest of his life bad mouthing her.
St. Paul tells us to avoid "fruitless discussion" and that is why I have so many commended to the care of St. Ignora:)

I think it is a better witness to talk to each other rather than be manipulated with red herrings and the same boring anti-Catholic nonsense that has been refuted a zillion times.

Anti-Catholics have a hard time refuting RECENT encyclicals because they are freeze dried in a 16th century mindset. The Church is a living, growing expanding organism, not a statue. They have a hard time because RECENT teachings are absent from their man made Catholic bashing traditions.

  • Divini Redemptoris (On Atheistic Communism)
    Pope Pius XI, March 19, 1937
  • Mortalium Animos (On Religious Unity)
    Pope Pius XI, January 6, 1928
  • Rite Expiatis (On St. Francis of Assisi)
    Pope Pius XI, April 13, 1926
  • Octobri Mense (On the Rosary)
    Pope Leo XIII, September 22, 1891
  • Humanae Vitae (On the Regulation of Human Births)
    Pope Paul VI, July 25, 1968
  • Sicut Dudum (Against the Enslaving of Black Natives from the Canary Islands)
    Pope Eugene IV, January 13, 1435
  • Casti Connubii (On Christian Marriage)
    Pope Pius XI, December 31, 1930
They are long and can be difficult to read. I don't recommend them for Protestants. I take any given topic, put it in the search bar, followed by "catholic apologetics" or "catholic answers". For example:
infallibility catholic apologetics or infallibility catholic answers
It's amazing how much information is available. It's also amazing the number of "Bible Christian" hate cults that show up in the results.
The encyclicals serve as backups if used properly.

I try to add a meme to every post, and at least one link to a good apologetic site that is on topic. I can post detailed instructions for anybody who needs help in doing this.


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Jackson123

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I try to avoid painting all Protestants with the same brush. I have met, face to face, many good and holy Protestants who truly love the Lord. They are not anti-Catholic. CCC817-820 is terrifying to anti-Catholics so they conjure up the "one world religion" lie. CCC817-820 is like offering an olive branch to Protestants and some of them spit on it.
And there is a hard hitting paragraph in Ut Unam Sint I am saving for a rainy day.

An ex-Catholic who turns anti-Catholic, in most cases, never fell in love with the Church. Ex-priests get red flagged because the anti-Catholic thinks that alone disproves Catholicism. Ex-priests are like the guy who breaks up with his girlfriend and spends the rest of his life bad mouthing her.
St. Paul tells us to avoid "fruitless discussion" and that is why I have so many commended to the care of St. Ignora:)

I think it is a better witness to talk to each other rather than be manipulated with red herrings and the same boring anti-Catholic nonsense that has been refuted a zillion times.

Anti-Catholics have a hard time refuting RECENT encyclicals because they are freeze dried in a 16th century mindset. The Church is a living, growing expanding organism, not a statue. They have a hard time because RECENT teachings are absent from their man made Catholic bashing traditions.

  • Divini Redemptoris (On Atheistic Communism)
    Pope Pius XI, March 19, 1937
  • Mortalium Animos (On Religious Unity)
    Pope Pius XI, January 6, 1928
  • Rite Expiatis (On St. Francis of Assisi)
    Pope Pius XI, April 13, 1926
  • Octobri Mense (On the Rosary)
    Pope Leo XIII, September 22, 1891
  • Humanae Vitae (On the Regulation of Human Births)
    Pope Paul VI, July 25, 1968
  • Sicut Dudum (Against the Enslaving of Black Natives from the Canary Islands)
    Pope Eugene IV, January 13, 1435
  • Casti Connubii (On Christian Marriage)
    Pope Pius XI, December 31, 1930
They are long and can be difficult to read. I don't recommend them for Protestants. I take any given topic, put it in the search bar, followed by "catholic apologetics" or "catholic answers". For example:
infallibility catholic apologetics or infallibility catholic answers
It's amazing how much information is available. It's also amazing the number of "Bible Christian" hate cults that show up in the results.
The encyclicals serve as backups if used properly.

I try to add a meme to every post, and at least one link to a good apologetic site that is on topic. I can post detailed instructions for anybody who needs help in doing this.


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I appreciate your Will to love God, but love God must believe the word of God that documented in the bible more than the teaching of man.

I do not know you love God and agree with catholic teaching

So you believe islam worship Abraham God? If so mean you believe Jesus only prophet.

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So you believe islam worship Abraham God? If so mean you believe Jesus only prophet.
their manmade theology conflicts with our manmade theology lol to funny!
 

Jackson123

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their manmade theology conflicts with our manmade theology lol to funny!
I do not understand what you mean. Is Jesus God man Made theology?

Islam worship Abraham God is man Made theology, not inline with the bible.

Jesus is not only a prophet.
 
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jaybird88

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I do not understand what you mean. Is Jesus God man Made theology?

Islam worship Abraham God is man Made theology, not inline with the bible.

Jesus is not only a prophet.
so when men of Islam interpret scripture, its theology.
when we do the exact same thing, its Holy Scripture.
what did Jesus say about hypocrites?
 
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To deny that Jesus gave His very own authority to sinful human beings is to deny the Great Commission. see Matthew 28:16-20

I am quite aware of those who have "no faith" of Christ (not seen) as that alone comes from hearing God through the scriptures. And therefore they must rather walk by sight after oral traditions of men seen .

Their goal is to make the word of God (sola scriptura ) Like killing Christians receiving letter of approval from the Pope until the refomation put an end to those who did kill the "misperceived" competition as in out of sight out of mind. Walking by sight.(no faith)

Mark 7:13 Making the word of God "of none" effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

His authority is the living abiding word of God as all thing written in the law and the prophets(sola scriptura) It is the enemy of the Catholic sect making the oral traditions of the venerable a form of worship Catholic fathers without effect. It is why you must seek the approval of men seen and not the Holy Spirit not seen. Making 2 Timothy 2:15 without effect

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself "approved unto God", a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

It becomes like a game to those who must seek the approval of men seen and the not the Holy Spirit not seen .One teaching authority trying to make the true authority (God's word) without effect .

We are warned of those who follow after the flesh and not the Holy Spirit not seen, who do say the teaching master must be in respect to men seen and not the Holy anointing Spirit, Christ.... not seen . Scripture infallibly informs us we abide in Him the teacher as He teaches us.

These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye "need not" that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. 1 john 2:26-27

Mark 7:13 Making the word of God "of none" effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

The three fold BIBLICAL episcopate, that you deny, was necessary for the canon of the Bible to developed, which you deny, and the writings of the Early Fathers who compiled the inspired books in the first place. You have nothing to do with them because none of them were sola scripturist Protestants.

Well of course we deny. We as a apologist defendd that which defends us, the sword of the Spirit the word of God .It is after no man your oral tradition which you offer again makes the word of God without effect to that you can chase after another kind of teaching master other that the infallible word of God .

Scripture whether in part or the whole cannon which the Catholic must pretend God is still brining new revelations that they must call private revelations as interpretations of men (every man has one as a person commentary) like finger prints that differr one from another .Again in a hoping of making the word of God without effect so that can rather chase after the things seen to show others they have "no faith" that alone comes from hearing God and not man. But rather follow after the imagination of their own hearts (natural man)

Making the things of men (seen ) first and in doin so again making the authority of God not seen without effect.


We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.Peter 1:19-21

Below the oral tradition of Pope Urban as a law of the fathers (men) It again makes the word of God without effect

"In cases which concern private revelations, it is better to believe than not to believe, for, if you believe, and it is proven true, you will be happy that you have believed, because our Holy Mother asked it. If you believe, and it should be "proven false", you will receive all blessings "as if" it had been true, because you believed it "to be true."

Mark 7:13 Making the word of God "of none" effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.


That is illogical and self defeating, and you insult my heartfelt beliefs with ignorance and prejudice.
Its not about philosophies of men but is about the law of faith . God's not seen, law.

God's love rejoices with God's truth as it is written .

Yes the Protestants prejudice does not lean on the understanding of the oral traditions of the Catholics father that they have named "apostolical succession" making the word of God without effect. But does lean on the understanding of the faith of God...... as in all things written in the law and the prophets (sola scriptura)

Chasing after the things seen as if the Kingdom of God was of this world only shows the Catholics have another teaching master other than all things written in the law and the prophets. Perhaps if it does insult or shame your oral traditions of men you might want to obey the commandment in 2 Timothy 2:15 .The sword of the Spirit does divide beteen the yhings og men seen and those of our living God not seen .

Which teaching master will you serve today .That of God not seen..... or that of men seen? The eternal or the temporal.

Where does it leave a non venerable pew Cathilic ? Whose approval can sek after .Those that worship men and call it venerating?

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself "approved unto God", a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
 
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I do not understand what you mean. Is Jesus God man Made theology?

Islam worship Abraham God is man Made theology, not inline with the bible.

Jesus is not only a prophet.

God is not a man as us .He is our supernatural faithful Creator as in "no nature" as a beginning of days or end of Spirit life.

It would be impossible for God to create another supernatural God . The new one would have a beginning or a nature.
 

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To the new ones here in CC:

I posted this thread not because I want to promote my faith but instead I had posted this because I just want to answer all anti Catholic people's criticisms about the doctrines of the Catholic Church.

It is modus operandi of anti Catholics to primarily criticize our doctrines and then introduce and invite my brethren to join their respective groups.

especially in my country where Catholics are divided because of politics and some members of the clergy are siding with the enemies of the president whom the majority have voted. It is unavoidable that a lot of Catholics are starting to lose their faith in my Church.

Anti Catholic people took this advantage to start convincing and introducing their respective groups; they are starting it by criticizing our doctrines.

I as one of the Catholics, I will not simply just believe on their criticisms; I prefer to counter it.

If you, An anti Catholic reading this message don't know how to counter all of the defense I had posted on page one with your Bible knowledge, I think you should inform your bloggers or even online evangelists to start thinking how to refute them with Biblical verses.

If your bloggers or online evangelists now have refutations using the Bible, you can post the sites if you want.
Your zeal for the faith is admirable. But there is a temptation we all must resist. It's easy to bash the hell out of anti-Catholic lies. But if we are are not careful, we can end up no better than they are.
All Protestants don't understand. Even some Catholics don't understand.
Not understanding is not anti-Catholicism. Repeatedly refusing to understand, posting more that 3 topics in a single paragraph, (shot gun tactic), constant lies and insults...and acting like a Christian Taliban terrorist, it's time to put them on ignore. A child having a temper tantrum cannot hear you. Give them a chance, but use the ignore button and don't waste your time with social dysfunctionates. Don't be like them.
BTW, the professional apologists at Catholic Answers recommend we stay out of forums like this.


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Jackson123

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so when men of Islam interpret scripture, its theology.
when we do the exact same thing, its Holy Scripture.
what did Jesus say about hypocrites?
How you interprate bible?

Do you interprate bible AS Jesus is God or prophet?

If your catholic friend interprate bible and say Jesus is only prophet do you think his interpretation right?

Can a person worship Abraham God and say Jesus not God?

Mohammad declare get revelation from God, he not interprate, he memori es It and his follower documented in a book call quran.

Quran literally say Jesus not God. And catholic say mohammad worship Abraham God.

To me It is Lie
 
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If you, An anti Catholic reading this message don't know how to counter all of the defense I had posted on page one with your Bible knowledge, I think you should inform your bloggers or even online evangelists to start thinking how to refute them with Biblical verses.

Anti means another kind of Catholic. They that went out from us were not of the us in respect to how the scriptures define us, and not them who went out from us that walk by sight, as if the kingdom of God was of this world .
 

Jackson123

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Your zeal for the faith is admirable. But there is a temptation we all must resist. It's easy to bash the hell out of anti-Catholic lies. But if we are are not careful, we can end up no better than they are.n
All Protestants don't understand. Even some Catholics don't understand.
Not understanding is not anti-Catholicism. Repeatedly refusing to understand, posting more that 3 topics in a single paragraph, (shot gun tactic), constant lies and insults...and acting like a Christian Taliban terrorist, it's time to put them on ignore. A child having a temper tantrum cannot hear you. Give them a chance, but use the ignore button and don't waste your time with social dysfunctionates. Don't be like them.
BTW, the professional apologists at Catholic Answers recommend we stay out of forums like this.


Surprise me you mention anti catholic Lie

Am I Lie when I say lumen gentium is Lie?

Who is the liar, lumen gentium that say mohammad worship Abraham God or me that say lumen gentium is Lie?

Do you agree lumen mohammad worship Abraham God. You better answer my question before declare anti catholic is liar.
 
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How you interprate bible?

Do you interprate bible AS Jesus is God or prophet?
what difference does it make. i am a man. you should not follow me or any other man, you follow the bible, follow the Spirit.
 

Jackson123

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what difference does it make. i am a man. you should not follow me or any other man, you follow the bible, follow the Spirit.
Good advice. To me lumen gentium that say mohammad worship abraham God is not inline with the binle and this teaching is danger to catholic people. AS you advise me to follow the bible, I pass oN this advise to catholic people to follow the bible not the institution that say mohammad worship Abraham God.
 
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jaybird88

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Good advice. To me lumen gentium that say mohammad worship abraham God is not inline with the binle and this teaching is danger to catholic people. AS you advise me to follow the bible, I pass oN this advise to catholic people to follow the bible not the institution that say mohammad worship Abraham God.
but that is not what you are saying.
1st you are not even talking to Catholics.
2nd you need to let them make up their own mind, they dont need to follow you and what you think.
 
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Repeatedly refusing to understand, posting more that 3 topics in a single paragraph, (shot gun tactic), constant lies and insults...and acting like a Christian Taliban terrorist, it's time to put them on ignore. A child having a temper tantrum cannot hear you
Well how many topics as doctrines of God can the scripture provide in one paragraph? And is Jesus having a temper when he identified those who walk by sight, as fathers, calling them a brood of vipers ?

BTW, the professional apologists at Catholic Answers recommend we stay out of forums like this.
Of course if you must seek the approval of men "seen" rather than the approval of Him "not seen" the Holy Spirit, what would you expect?

I think you need to get over the Peter thingy, our brother in Christ is used as a "do not" follow after example.

Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.
But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men. Mathew 16:22-23

I would suggest studying what it means to walk by by faith and not by sight.

2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:)

Why not ask the professional apologists at Catholic Answers to join in? Or do they leave that up to the non venerable (worship-able ) , the pew Catholics?
 

Jackson123

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but that is not what you are saying.
1st you are not even talking to Catholics.
2nd you need to let them make up their own mind, they dont need to follow you and what you think.
How do you know I am not talking to catholic? There are catholic in this forum. How do you know they not read what i post?

2. I am not force them to follow me. I inform them that lumen gentium is not inline with the bible, than up to them to chose. Seem to me some of them love bible. So for them who love bible, I inform you, for the best of my knowledge catholic teaching ( lumen gentium is Lie) you either chose this catholic teaching or the bible, chose both is ilogical.
 

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acting like a Christian Taliban terrorist, it's time to put them on ignore. A child having a temper tantrum cannot hear you. Give them a chance, but use the ignore button and don't waste your time with social dysfunctionates. Don't be like them.
BTW, the professional apologists at Catholic Answers recommend we stay out of forums like this.
They warn you against real Christian doctrine because they fear the true power of Gods word. Upon hearing the truth honest souls will respond and be converted. The biblical gospel is the power of God unto salvation to all who believe.

Those who hear will see that the "church" cannot save even itself let alone those who are lost in sin and trespass. Grace is found only in the blood of Christ. Christ is no longer on the cross but is risen and seated on high with the Father.

For the cause of Christ
Roger